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| Ripley |
Posted on 28-09-2017 10:12
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LOL!
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 28-09-2017 10:13
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It was a quick fix however 
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 28-09-2017 11:49
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1. Majka 1190
2. Contador 1165
3. Degenkolb 1140
6. Nieve 1.96
2. Degenkolb 2.84
3. Simon Yates 2.79
4. Majka 2.68
6. Barguil 2.55
9. Contador 2.42
Man I am so good at this game 
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| Shonak |
Posted on 28-09-2017 12:21
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jandal7 wrote:
1. Majka 1190
2. Contador 1165
3. Degenkolb 1140
4. Barguil 1040
5. Simon Yates 1005
Man I am so good at this game
Fixed that for you. 
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 28-09-2017 12:23
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Shonak wrote:
jandal7 wrote:
1. Majka 1190
2. Contador 1165
3. Degenkolb 1140
4. Barguil 1040
5. Simon Yates 1005
Man I am so good at this game
Fixed that for you.
Oh yeah missed those two 
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 28-09-2017 21:21
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Last Chance to get your Vanendert, an outstanding CT leader. The asking price is at least 65.
Nieve could also be acquired. We are willing to pay 85 on top for a team that takes him.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 28-09-2017 21:36
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Interesting that Kwiatek and Veelers are up there from my team, didn't think I was honestly overpaying Veelers that much.
Also, surprising that De Gendt didn't make the list given he asked for 1000 after his Giro podium.
Don't have his wage on hand to check where he would've ended up though.
Thanks for the post though, is interesting to think about. 
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| Ripley |
Posted on 28-09-2017 22:28
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I've come up with a new table which might be more useful - if the riders score the points you can't call them overpaid. So I asked Bikex for a table with the prestige points from last season and managed to match it up with the db of last year's teams. Obviously, how many points each rider collects is due to a number of factors, smart season planning, a bit of luck and so on. But here you are, the 50 best riders from the 2017 ICL season sorted by Prestige Points/Wage ("Bang for your buck" ):
| Last Name | DIV | AVG | Wage | Points | Points/Wage | | Lutsenko | WT | 76.0 | 350 | 1856 | 5.30 | | Van Poppel | WT | 79.1 | 580 | 2665 | 4.59 | | Contador | WT | 81.1 | 775 | 3111 | 4.01 | | RodrÃguez | WT | 78.4 | 460 | 1820 | 3.96 | | Herklotz | WT | 75.4 | 330 | 1271 | 3.85 | | Vanendert | CT | 76.6 | 400 | 1449 | 3.62 | | Chevrier | WT | 74.4 | 320 | 1106 | 3.46 | | Herrada | WT | 76.9 | 375 | 1284 | 3.42 | | Roche | CT | 75.9 | 350 | 1129 | 3.23 | | Haussler | CT | 75.5 | 340 | 1056 | 3.11 | | Fuglsang | CT | 75.8 | 440 | 1358 | 3.09 | | De Gendt | WT | 76.9 | 470 | 1405 | 2.99 | | Urán | WT | 76.6 | 630 | 1879 | 2.98 | | A. Yates | WT | 75.9 | 350 | 1037 | 2.96 | | Rojas | CT | 76.2 | 510 | 1505 | 2.95 | | Kittel | WT | 81.4 | 920 | 2634 | 2.86 | | Van Keirsbulck | WT | 79.1 | 700 | 1960 | 2.80 | | Ciolek | WT | 76.7 | 410 | 1095 | 2.67 | | Boasson Hagen | CT | 76.5 | 700 | 1822 | 2.60 | | Caruso | CT | 76.7 | 550 | 1420 | 2.58 | | Fenn | CT | 78.3 | 580 | 1474 | 2.54 | | Nerz | WT | 76.6 | 500 | 1245 | 2.49 | | Nieve | CT | 76.1 | 360 | 885 | 2.46 | | Van Garderen | WT | 78.4 | 1100 | 2683 | 2.44 | | Degenkolb | WT | 79.1 | 850 | 2039 | 2.40 | | Mohoric | WT | 74.9 | 350 | 836 | 2.39 | | Ludvigsson | CT | 76.0 | 430 | 1015 | 2.36 | | Kristoff | WT | 77.9 | 680 | 1593 | 2.34 | | Nibali | WT | 80.6 | 1230 | 2864 | 2.33 | | Kwiatkowski | WT | 77.3 | 1000 | 2314 | 2.31 | | Ulissi | CT | 75.9 | 570 | 1313 | 2.30 | | Gilbert | WT | 79.8 | 1075 | 2448 | 2.28 | | Poels | CT | 75.5 | 390 | 885 | 2.27 | | Velits | CT | 75.6 | 555 | 1253 | 2.26 | | Howard | CT | 76.1 | 360 | 782 | 2.17 | | S. Yates | WT | 76.3 | 485 | 1052 | 2.17 | | Rolland | WT | 77.3 | 575 | 1239 | 2.15 | | Intxausti | WT | 76.0 | 360 | 773 | 2.15 | | Bardet | WT | 78.3 | 800 | 1693 | 2.12 | | Aru | CT | 77.4 | 930 | 1959 | 2.11 | | Guardini | WT | 79.3 | 580 | 1221 | 2.11 | | König | CT | 75.8 | 600 | 1263 | 2.11 | | Van den Broeck | WT | 77.6 | 605 | 1257 | 2.08 | | Battaglin | CT | 75.7 | 350 | 723 | 2.07 | | Dombrowski | WT | 76.7 | 480 | 987 | 2.06 | | Goss | WT | 77.3 | 410 | 833 | 2.03 | | Formolo | CT | 74.3 | 300 | 606 | 2.02 | | Sagan | WT | 79.2 | 1005 | 1959 | 1.95 | | Capecchi | CT | 73.9 | 280 | 542 | 1.94 | | Moser | WT | 77.7 | 770 | 1475 | 1.92 |
Edited by Ripley on 28-09-2017 22:47
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 29-09-2017 03:04
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Last Name DIV AVG Wage Points Points/Wage
Vanendert CT 76.6 400 1449 3.62
Nieve CT 76.1 360 885 2.46
Man I amm so good at this game 
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 29-09-2017 04:48
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Vanendert is the best Rider from CT in this Ranking --> this year Nobody wants Vanendert, without a decrease or anything 
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 29-09-2017 04:49
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Forgot: Another awesome table, thanks Ripley
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 29-09-2017 05:01
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Nice one Ripley, I was actually planning on doing the same thing!
Very interesting that I can't see any of my riders on the overpaid list, or on the best value list either. Part of that is that I focused on WT races for my main stars last year, but it's still quite unusual to have such an evenly balanced team.
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| Ripley |
Posted on 29-09-2017 08:42
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Cheers guys! I can expand upon this endlessly and - as I warned Bikex in a PM - take the fun out of the ICL with statistics just like baseball.
Here's another table, the 16 sprinters of last season with SPR 78+ in descending order by their sprinting capabilities:
| Last Name | Team | AVG | SP | Wage | Points | Pts/Wage | | Kittel | CarbonSports Cycling | 81.4 | 82 | 920 | 2634 | 2.86 | | Demare | The Spark Project p/b Bollé | 80.1 | 82 | 1530 | 1925 | 1.26 | | Cavendish | Suntory Lucozade Sport | 80.6 | 81 | 820 | 1309 | 1.60 | | Greipel | Allianz Cycling Team | 80.6 | 81 | 900 | 1251 | 1.39 | | Van Poppel | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | 79.1 | 80 | 580 | 2665 | 4.59 | | Guardini | Saeco - Cannondale | 79.3 | 80 | 580 | 1221 | 2.11 | | Bouhanni | Team Peugeot | 79.4 | 80 | 1400 | 1805 | 1.29 | | Fenn | Team Cymru Wales (CT) | 78.3 | 79 | 580 | 1474 | 2.54 | | Degenkolb | Celesio Pro Cycling | 79.1 | 79 | 850 | 2039 | 2.40 | | Nizzolo | SAP - Bianchi | 77.6 | 79 | 420 | 464 | 1.10 | | Kristoff | Allianz Cycling Team | 77.9 | 78 | 680 | 1593 | 2.34 | | Sagan | CarbonSports Cycling | 79.2 | 78 | 1005 | 1959 | 1.95 | | Alaphilippe | Leopard - Evonik Pro Cycling | 77.3 | 78 | 805 | 1009 | 1.25 | | Coquard | Allianz Cycling Team | 78.2 | 78 | 750 | 859 | 1.15 | | Viviani | Italo - Ventilair | 77.6 | 78 | 630 | 686 | 1.09 | | Blythe | Suntory Lucozade Sport | 77.0 | 78 | 400 | 431 | 1.08 |
All were riding for WT teams except for Andrew Fenn. Obviously, the other stats matter a lot, too, as well as the quality of the lead-out. Still, paying Demare nearly twice as much as Alaphilippe, for example, turned out to be justified.
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 29-09-2017 09:08
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Croatia14 wrote:
Vanendert is the best Rider from CT in this Ranking --> this year Nobody wants Vanendert, without a decrease or anything
I could have had interest, but 550 wage for a rider that's going to be in decline after this season is too much. And I don't have any money for him left
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 29-09-2017 09:25
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Great pickup for me Guardini then 
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 29-09-2017 09:28
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Nizzolo is literally the worst sprinter, but I don't mind.
"What done is, is one." - Benji Naesen
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| Shonak |
Posted on 29-09-2017 09:32
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That points wage ratio by Van Popple is insane for a sprinter.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Ripley |
Posted on 29-09-2017 10:09
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@hillis: Guardini earns more now and you paid a fair transfer fee, but for sure he should still do very well.
@trekbmc: Nah, there were worse sprinters around. Saeco's two top sprinters, Cimolai and Pelucchi (both SPR 77), despite being on their minimum wage, only ended up with ratios of 0.39 and 0.33.
@Shonak: Van Poppel had an amazing season, he was 4th in the prestige rankings and came 2nd only behind Lutsenko in my previous table of all riders. Well done, Ollfardh!
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 29-09-2017 10:10
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Ripley wrote:
@hillis: Guardini earns more now and you paid a fair transfer fee, but for sure he should still do very well.
As a start up, im ok with that, i need points
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| Shonak |
Posted on 29-09-2017 10:17
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I think Van Poppel won green jersey at le Tour, no?
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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