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| Shonak |
Posted on 17-09-2017 13:16
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Maybe the coefficient of statreduction can be reduced in response to the lower AoD. Instead of losign 1-2 points every year, they could lose their top level eg MT82 sooner but stay on MT81 for two years then, and so on. Right now top riders fall of drastically once they hit AoD and it's basically a retirement sentence.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| jaxika |
Posted on 17-09-2017 13:59
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Shonak wrote:
Maybe the coefficient of statreduction can be reduced in response to the lower AoD. Instead of losign 1-2 points every year, they could lose their top level eg MT82 sooner but stay on MT81 for two years then, and so on. Right now top riders fall of drastically once they hit AoD and it's basically a retirement sentence.
Add hes wage and surely does. |
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 17-09-2017 14:41
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Im to new to have an opinion on this, but it seems that 30 is a bit young to start loosing a step
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 17-09-2017 14:55
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This could be a useful tool to level out the playing field of top riders in years to come so I'm not against this new system, but the timing's less than ideal. Just ahead of the first time I'm planning to buy potions of youth 
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| krisa |
Posted on 17-09-2017 15:11
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First riders should start to decline on 31 last on 33. First retires from 34 till around 40
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 17-09-2017 15:13
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krisa wrote:
First riders should start to decline on 31 last on 33. First retires from 34 till around 40
Agree, 30 is too early for a rider to start declining
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| matt17br |
Posted on 17-09-2017 22:53
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Most cyclists have their peaks when they're around 30. Van Avermaet peaked this year and he's 32 if I had to give a real life example, and we don't know if this is his ceiling either. Contador was 31 throughout his 2014 season, which was one of his best. Gilbert won AGR and RVV at 35. Basically, this change would even advantage my team because my riders are mostly under 30, but I don't see how it's realistic.
I tend to like the current system and imo there's no huge game breaking reason to fix it, these kinds of changes tend to hamper long-term plans by managers. I don't like the random factor either, I know it was already there when redoing the age of declines a couple seasons ago, but randomness in general is something I don't like outside of the races itself. PCM provides enough of it.
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| DaveTwoBob |
Posted on 18-09-2017 01:46
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Interesting AoD proposal - here are some thoughts.
We currently have 1 rider with an AoD of 30 and 10 with an AoD of 31.
I think 30 should be an absolute lower limit.
If a rider gets an AoD reduction one year they should not be eligible next year, this addresses some of the randomness and possibility of really bad luck, and gives the manager a chance to react.
Potions of youth can mitigate this and I expect managers of top talents will be buying them as insurance. In my case I was planning to buy one for Cav but now I might be buying two for Cav and one for Coppel. This will reduce money planned for training and therefore stat inflation. We really need to know the PoY prices so we can manage our budgets.
Its not clear at what age the riders enter this AoD lottery, or is it all riders?
The idea that if a rider declines early his decline is slower and if he declines late its faster is worth some thought. This would mean if you buy potions of youth to delay the decline it will be bigger when it finally comes which might help with the objective, something like 0.5 points for every year over 29. Don't want to make ICL too complicated though.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 18-09-2017 11:08
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Updated DB: https://www.mediafire.com/file/6dspcd...-R1.3.xlsx
Croatia agreed to "pay" 70 more for the Nieve transfer so Santos is not in debt anymore.
I still have some differences in the wages compared to what OZrocker posted, please check the second post in the transfer thread and the db for any mistakes, especially Lufthansa and Carbonsports.
Spoiler | 1 | Vegeta Cycling Team | CT | 20 | 0 | | 5 | Cool Runnings | CT | 345 | 0 | | 6 | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | WT | 605 | 0 | | 7 | Liberty Seguros | WT | 785 | 1 | | 11 | Sugoi - Xanterra | WT | 2570 | 1 | | 12 | Allianz - BMW Cycling Team | WT | 800 | 4 | | 15 | Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - Cipollini | WT | 2075 | 2 | | 19 | Bunzl - Centrica | WT | 375 | 2 | | 20 | CarbonSports Cycling - Lightweight | WT | 1180 | 12 | | 23 | Italo - Ventilair | WT | 405 | 2 | | 32 | Team Cymru Wales | CT | 630 | 0 | | 34 | SAP - Bianchi | WT | 1225 | 0 | | 40 | Pedal Africa for Qhubeka | CT | 2425 | 4 | | 41 | Grupo Argos - Quala | WT | 1000 | 10 | | 42 | Team Alitalia | WT | 665 | 5 | | 43 | TVM Cycling Team | WT | 775 | 4 | | 44 | Suntory Lucozade Sport | WT | 1620 | 1 | | 46 | ICBC Cycling Team | CT | 1770 | 2 | | 50 | CCC Sprandi Polkowice | CT | 0 | 0 | | 52 | Santos - Euskadi | WT | 0 | 2 | | 53 | Sevilla Cycling Team | WT | 3490 | 8 | | 58 | Équipe Cycliste Peugeot | WT | 795 | 3 | | 61 | VisitUkraine p/b Nemiroff | WT | 20 | 0 | | 62 | Wiggle presented by Boardman Bikes | CT | 950 | 2 | | 63 | Lufthansa Racing Team | WT | 965 | 4 | | 68 | Credit Suisse Pro Cycling | CT | 160 | 0 | | 70 | Polestar Cyan ProCycling | CT | 1700 | 6 | | 71 | Spidertech - Argon18 | CT | 2910 | 9 | | 72 | An Post | CT | 1750 | 1 | | 73 | Vittel - Havas Communications | CT | 3285 | 8 | | 74 | Wilier Triestina | CT | 1435 | 2 | | 75 | Bosch Cycling Team | CT | 0 | 0 | | 76 | Jeep Pro Cycling | CT | 4400 | 17 | | 77 | Veranclassic - AGO | CT | -25 | 0 | | 78 | The Balkan Cycling Project | CT | 660 | 3 | | 79 | Trek - Segafredo | CT | 2615 | 7 | | 80 | Statoil Pro Cycling Team | CT | 730 | 4 | | 81 | Team WWE | CT | 155 | 0 | | 82 | Aviva Cycling Team | CT | 180 | 1 |
Round 2 will also start today. |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 18-09-2017 15:42
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Research Prices
Changes in PoY and Recalc compared to last season.
Training packages will likely stay the same, possibly some minor changes but the highest numbers of the packages will stay the same.
The formula for the gained bonus will be:
Coeff * $ * Points
Coeff = Random number between 1,5% and 3%
$ = Spent Money
Points = Points from packages stats table (1-6)
I updated the BaseStatDB so you can check how much is missing: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lgtsgzbx3zt....xlsx?dl=0 |
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 18-09-2017 15:48
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What does the Recalc include? Is that the one you pay if you want to make a rider better?
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| Bikex |
Posted on 18-09-2017 16:07
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Free Agents Round 2
Link: https://www.mediafire.com/file/g1ysw2...s%202.xlsx
Rules: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....st_1254995
Veranclassic is in minus by 50 after the transfer round so will need to sack one rider to get back out of this.
Most teams with development teams don't have enough riders signed yet or won't reach the 1000 wage barrier. The file will tell if that's the case, so keep an eye on it.
It is possible to stay below that 1000 for the season, but in that case you'll have to pay a fine of 1,5 times the amount your dev team wage is below 1000!
Send this round to me. |
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| Ripley |
Posted on 18-09-2017 16:18
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Done!
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| jaxika |
Posted on 18-09-2017 16:46
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There will be a bonus +100 for Research for everyone? (So we count on that or not) |
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| DaveTwoBob |
Posted on 18-09-2017 17:18
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DaveTwoBob wrote:
Potions of youth can mitigate this and I expect managers of top talents will be buying them as insurance. In my case I was planning to buy one for Cav but now I might be buying two for Cav and one for Coppel. This will reduce money planned for training and therefore stat inflation. We really need to know the PoY prices so we can manage our budgets.
With the new Potion of Youth prices two for Cav and one for Coppel = 1000! Thats a hefty bill at this stage of transfers, might have to take my chances in the AoD lottery.
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 18-09-2017 17:35
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How many riders you need in a Dev Team? I thought it was 8
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| jaxika |
Posted on 18-09-2017 17:52
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Yes, but min. wage is 1000, so if you have 8*100 wage riders, isnt enough. |
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| krisa |
Posted on 18-09-2017 17:56
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My opinion on rider decreasement and retirement, definately after seing visconti decrease so hard.
In my opinion all ICL riders should develop until they reach the age of 30.
First decreases should start with riders tha reach the age of 31 last riders that start to decrease at the age of 33. Riders that reach their Age of decline shouldn't be allowed to get trained anymore to keep them at the same level.
| 31 Age of decrease | 32 Age of decrease | 33 Age of Decrease | | 31 -> 32 | -1 | 0 | 0 | | 32 -> 33 | -1 | -1 | 0 | | 33 -> 34 | -1 | -2 | -2 | | 34 -> 35 | -1 | -1 | -2 | | 35 -> 36 | -2 | -2 | -2 | | 36 -> 37 | -2 | -2 | -2 | | 37 -> 38 | -2 | -2 | -2 | | 38 -> 39 | Retirement | Retirement | Retirement |
To give an example what will happen when someone has reached the max stat of 82.
| 31 Age of decrease | 32 Age of decrease | 33 Age of Decrease | | MAX | 82 | 82 | 82 | | 31 -> 32 | 81 | 82 | 82 | | 32 -> 33 | 80 | 81 | 82 | | 33 -> 34 | 79 | 79 | 80 | | 34 -> 35 | 78 | 78 | 78 | | 35 -> 36 | 76 | 76 | 76 | | 36 -> 37 | 74 | 74 | 74 | | 37 -> 38 | 72 | 72 | 72 | | 38 -> 39 | Retirement | Retirement | Retirement |
Riders who have hit the 35 years old and don't have a team should get removed from the db. However other riders should not all race till the age of 39, Instead I want to prevent of them all reaching the age of 39. Which you could easily prevent by adding a higher minimum wage for the best riders of a generation. Riders who are in Categorie 1 ever reached 82 on at least one of the five main stats (Hill, Sprint, TT, Cobbles or Mountain). Riders who hit 81 on one of those stat in categorie 2, third categorie for the guys who hit 80. This minimum wages will prevent riders to retire at 39 instead of the managers who really love to keep them (moneys are just examples).
| Cat.1 riders (82) | Cat.2 riders (81) | Cat.3 riders (80) | | Minimum Wage | 650 | 500 | 400 |
Of course this all is just an example, but isn't as random as the one you would like to use, and it seems more realistic to me.
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 18-09-2017 18:21
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jaxika wrote:
Yes, but min. wage is 1000, so if you have 8*100 wage riders, isnt enough.
So basicly you need 10 riders
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 18-09-2017 18:53
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I think it's done.
You need a total of 8 riders for your devolpment team right? So 6*100 + 2*200 = 1000?
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