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Vuelta a España 2017 - Week 2
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| ryant |
Posted on 05-09-2017 17:00
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Froome is gonna be the first person to do the Tour Vuelta double in how long?
Theres a reason Clen-tador couldnt do it, because he was doping and we all know this incredible feat can only be done clean 
GO FROOME!
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| Shonak |
Posted on 05-09-2017 17:02
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 05-09-2017 19:51
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ryant wrote:
Froome is gonna be the first person to do the Tour Vuelta double in how long?
Theres a reason Clen-tador couldnt do it, because he was doping and we all know this incredible feat can only be done clean
GO FROOME!
Congrats Tue-roome sucker.
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| Kalach |
Posted on 05-09-2017 19:52
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ryant wrote:
Froome is gonna be the first person to do the Tour Vuelta double in how long?
Theres a reason Clen-tador couldnt do it, because he was doping and we all know this incredible feat can only be done clean
GO FROOME!
I hope there is an irony in this post
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| ruben |
Posted on 05-09-2017 20:25
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Yeah Froome the clean champion who does 500 watts on 15 minute ascends in his 2nd GT in a row. magnificent.
Anyway. Glad Kelderman is keeping up the good form, seems to be improving even 
but monster climbs to come. I expect major carnage on los muchachos and angliru |
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| Kalach |
Posted on 05-09-2017 20:33
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ruben wrote:
Yeah Froome the clean champion who does 500 watts on 15 minute ascends in his 2nd GT in a row. magnificent.
Anyway. Glad Kelderman is keeping up the good form, seems to be improving even
but monster climbs to come. I expect major carnage on los muchachos and angliru
We just need to pray that someone will be able to drop Froome there (at least Nibali or Wilco). But They are not good at steep gradients whereas Froome with his cadence pedaling is
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| ruben |
Posted on 05-09-2017 20:40
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I know. Kelderman even said so last week that, while he like the short steep climbs and long shallow climbs, he doesn't like steep climbs that last longer than 2/3km..
Nibali doesn't like em either
I'm not even sure Miguel Angel Lopez likes them, as he seems to have a bit of a bulky build for a colombian climber.
Leaves Chaves, who is already 6 minutes behind and not in topshape.
And Zakarin didn't do well on blockhaus (9/10% for long time) either. So I'm not sure the fight wil lcome from him either.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 05-09-2017 23:09
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I didn't see a single cio post celebrating Kamna's result, I'm disappointed.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 05-09-2017 23:17
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Miguel98 wrote:
I didn't see a single cio post celebrating Kamna's result, I'm disappointed.
Monster performance by Froome, Vuelta is closed
Honestly, I was quite disappointed too since he beat Froome, Zakarin and Kelderman back in Romandie.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 05-09-2017 23:21
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cio93 wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
I didn't see a single cio post celebrating Kamna's result, I'm disappointed.
Monster performance by Froome, Vuelta is closed
Honestly, I was quite disappointed too since he beat Froome, Zakarin and Kelderman back in Romandie.
Well, the TT in Romandie was hillier and shorter. I imagine Kamna must have a very good power output for shorter efforts and must improve his resistance and energy management over longer distances. |
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| ryant |
Posted on 05-09-2017 23:22
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Kalach wrote:
ryant wrote:
Froome is gonna be the first person to do the Tour Vuelta double in how long?
Theres a reason Clen-tador couldnt do it, because he was doping and we all know this incredible feat can only be done clean
GO FROOME!
I hope there is an irony in this post
Why should this be ironic? I am simply championing a clean rider that everyone should look up to and adore, he performs heroics that no doped rider can achieve and will cement his legacy as the greatest rider alive.
The success of Froome just highlights that we are in a clean era of the sport and that makes me happy
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| cio93 |
Posted on 05-09-2017 23:38
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Miguel98 wrote:
cio93 wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
I didn't see a single cio post celebrating Kamna's result, I'm disappointed.
Monster performance by Froome, Vuelta is closed
Honestly, I was quite disappointed too since he beat Froome, Zakarin and Kelderman back in Romandie.
Well, the TT in Romandie was hillier and shorter. I imagine Kamna must have a very good power output for shorter efforts and must improve his resistance and energy management over longer distances.
Besides the sarcasm in my post, just from the physiology I would actually assume that his long-distance effort should be better.
If we use the natural comparison of Kämna vs Schachmann, Kämna's 5kg lighter and likely relies more on aerodynamics than Schachmann who looks more like the standard power-type TTer with nice calves and a strong acceleration (which makes the latter's neo-pro climbing efforts even more impressive).
Therefore, longer and less technical TTs should suit Kämna more. The German TT was hopefully just a bad day.
Obviously, body type is just one of many aspects in the magical world of cycling, and I'm far from being an actual expert, but Kämna most certainly doesn't strike me as a prologue rider first and foremost.
There's no doubt though that a 20-year-old cyclist has a lot of space to grow in the resistance and energy management area.
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 05-09-2017 23:42
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I'd like to see him have a go at the Giro - Tour - Vuelta treble, instead of these little efforts in controlled succession.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 05-09-2017 23:53
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
I'd like to see him have a go at the Giro - Tour - Vuelta treble, instead of these little efforts in controlled succession.
Froome or Kämna?
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| Yellow Jersey |
Posted on 06-09-2017 00:38
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Kämna is a very powerful rider for his weight he can sprint relatively well and is quite capable of sustaining long efforts.
He is very comparable to Kelderman in my opinion, he came arround with the same age with very similar abilities, and their physical stature is very simillar (and ideal for a climber/time-trialist).
Also noteworthy that beeing able to ride like this in the third week of an incredibly hard Vuelta only aged 20 appears to be another weapon on the deck.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 06-09-2017 01:13
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Yellow Jersey wrote:
Kämna is a very powerful rider for his weight he can sprint relatively well and is quite capable of sustaining long efforts.
To be fair, many of his decent sprint results rather come from being in the mix in the first place, fighting for a lower Top 10 result when you know you can't challenge for the win isn't a thing many riders do.
It does really feel that he always fights for even just a couple of spots if it looks good on the results page (as long as it's not a dangerous mass sprint), a sign of a motivated young rider which is worth a lot too. If 7th on the stage is the best he can manage, he will still try to get 7th.
(I'm basing this on the very rainy Romandie stages 2 and 3 and the Catalunya stages 6 and 7)
On the other hand, his leadout work has been very decent at a couple of occasions indeed. Last year's U23 WC comes to my mind as well as a stage in this year's Tour of Fjords, where he led into the very fast last K and even managed to achieve small gaps on the line after the first 20ish riders.
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He is very comparable to Kelderman in my opinion, he came arround with the same age with very similar abilities, and their physical stature is very simillar (and ideal for a climber/time-trialist).
Fingers crossed. Furthermore, having Dumoulin in the team will help massively with the task of retaining the TT ability while improving his climbing. Nobody better to learn from in the peloton.
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Also noteworthy that beeing able to ride like this in the third week of an incredibly hard Vuelta only aged 20 appears to be another weapon on the deck.
Indeed. Except for his break and stage 11, he saved his climbing legs for this TT and just to make it to Madrid though.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-09-2017 07:11
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Yellow Jersey wrote:
Kämna is a very powerful rider for his weight he can sprint relatively well and is quite capable of sustaining long efforts.
He is very comparable to Kelderman in my opinion, he came arround with the same age with very similar abilities, and their physical stature is very simillar (and ideal for a climber/time-trialist).
Also noteworthy that beeing able to ride like this in the third week of an incredibly hard Vuelta only aged 20 appears to be another weapon on the deck.
Also you have to take the change of wind into account, since Kämna rode in strong annoying sidewind and best GC guys had tailwind. So who knows maybe he could challenge even top5 with different windy conditions.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 06-09-2017 09:37
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ruben wrote:
I know. Kelderman even said so last week that, while he like the short steep climbs and long shallow climbs, he doesn't like steep climbs that last longer than 2/3km..
Nibali doesn't like em either
I'm not even sure Miguel Angel Lopez likes them, as he seems to have a bit of a bulky build for a colombian climber.
Leaves Chaves, who is already 6 minutes behind and not in topshape.
And Zakarin didn't do well on blockhaus (9/10% for long time) either. So I'm not sure the fight wil lcome from him either.
It looks kinde hopeless
Last one is most important one. It looks hopeless, some one will get 20-30 sec. back. That's it. |
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| Kalach |
Posted on 06-09-2017 10:21
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Guido Mukk wrote:
ruben wrote:
I know. Kelderman even said so last week that, while he like the short steep climbs and long shallow climbs, he doesn't like steep climbs that last longer than 2/3km..
Nibali doesn't like em either
I'm not even sure Miguel Angel Lopez likes them, as he seems to have a bit of a bulky build for a colombian climber.
Leaves Chaves, who is already 6 minutes behind and not in topshape.
And Zakarin didn't do well on blockhaus (9/10% for long time) either. So I'm not sure the fight wil lcome from him either.
It looks kinde hopeless
Last one is most important one. It looks hopeless, some one will get 20-30 sec. back. That's it.
Absolutely agree. There wont be any comeback. Simply Froome and SKY are too strong for everybody. Froome may only lose this if he crashes or get a puncture and the change will take like Cadel Evans` change in la Vuelta 2009 Btw thats why Evans didnt win that Vuelta in 2009
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* 1st Tour de Romandie ('19, '18)
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* 2nd Tour of California ('19)
* 2nd Tour de Suisse ('18)
* 3rd Tour de France ('23, '21)
* 3rd Giro d’Italia ('22)
* 3rd Vuelta Espana ('23)
* 3rd Autumn Classics ('19, '18)
* 9th Spring Classics ('18)
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 06-09-2017 10:59
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