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Tour de France 2017 - Week 3 - ALPS!
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| Kalach |
Posted on 19-07-2017 18:05
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If people who ride for Froome would ride for bardet he could be also winner  i am not mad as on froome as on team sky and their infinity strength because of unlimited $$$. It aint very fair. It kills competition so much
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 19-07-2017 18:05
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I am not even mad anymore about Froome winning, he is deserved winner year after year. For example, what Urán did to be a deserved winner, sucking wheels of Bardet? This. Uran did only 1 attack the whole race, and it was on a flat which wasn't gonna succeed.
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Gracias Alberto.
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 19-07-2017 18:11
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I am not even mad anymore about Froome winning, he is deserved winner year after year. For example, what Urán did to be a deserved winner, sucking wheels of Bardet? This. Uran did only 1 attack the whole race, and it was on a flat which wasn't gonna succeed.
Who cares, if an individual rider with little help from his team can stick around the top of the GC consistently, then good on them. It's just when a rider's super strong team does all the work that it's boring and bad for racing.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 19-07-2017 18:21
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I am not even mad anymore about Froome winning, he is deserved winner year after year. For example, what Urán did to be a deserved winner, sucking wheels of Bardet? This. Uran did only 1 attack the whole race, and it was on a flat which wasn't gonna succeed.
Who cares, if an individual rider with little help from his team can stick around the top of the GC consistently, then good on them. It's just when a rider's super strong team does all the work that it's boring and bad for racing. Uran wrote the school of wheelsucking in this race. Everyone bar him and Meintjes attacked. Also Froome is pretty entertaining when he is not in lead. Which you can't say about Uran. (Wow, I'm defending Froome.)
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Gracias Alberto.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 19-07-2017 18:30
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Naskela wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Sunweb best team of 2017? Pink jersey, polka dots and green jersey 
Yeah it's impressive. I said two years ago i thought Matthews could win the point jersey and people on this site laughed at me  My revenge is here.
Also Dumoulin got to be one of the favorites for the Vuelta as well. Who else can actually compete this year? Nibali, Valverde, Zakarin and maybe Froome?
A few more sprinters crashing out, and Tony Martin could've won it.
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| LuckyLukas |
Posted on 19-07-2017 18:36
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Kalach wrote:
Uran is our last chance. But i do not see it happening since he is already half minute down. Maybe if he was equal with froome before that TT i could be dreaming but when it is like it is i cant see it happen 
Why do so many people hope or think that Uran will ride a good TT? He has not shown a decent TT performance for years. When you look at this and last years results he can be happy if he doesn't lose time to Aru. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-07-2017 18:40
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I am not even mad anymore about Froome winning, he is deserved winner year after year. For example, what Urán did to be a deserved winner, sucking wheels of Bardet? This. Uran did only 1 attack the whole race, and it was on a flat which wasn't gonna succeed.
Who cares, if an individual rider with little help from his team can stick around the top of the GC consistently, then good on them. It's just when a rider's super strong team does all the work that it's boring and bad for racing.
Froome alone from last two editions is more entertaining rider than Uran ever was. 
(wow, i am defending Froome too).
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| LordBeerus |
Posted on 19-07-2017 19:11
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Kalach wrote:
If people who ride for Froome would ride for bardet he could be also winner i am not mad as on froome as on team sky and their infinity strength because of unlimited $$$. It aint very fair. It kills competition so much
Not sure how it is now, but in 2016 Sky had comparable budget to Katusha, BMC and Tinkoff.
Tinkoff overspent on Contador's whole gang, BMC usually overpays classics riders and Katusha was known to overpay for any good Russian. |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 19-07-2017 19:20
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LordBeerus wrote:
Kalach wrote:
If people who ride for Froome would ride for bardet he could be also winner i am not mad as on froome as on team sky and their infinity strength because of unlimited $$$. It aint very fair. It kills competition so much
Not sure how it is now, but in 2016 Sky had comparable budget to Katusha, BMC and Tinkoff.
Tinkoff overspent on Contador's whole gang, BMC usually overpays classics riders and Katusha was known to overpay for any good Russian.
Please show me a reliable source that says so. In terms of wages I can imagine that, but in terms of development budget, research ressources and stuff like that Sky has by far the highest budget.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 19-07-2017 20:37
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| Shonak |
Posted on 19-07-2017 20:37
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Roglic did a telemark on the podium, so cool
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Luxemburger |
Posted on 19-07-2017 21:41
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Teddy The Creator wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I am not even mad anymore about Froome winning, he is deserved winner year after year. For example, what Urán did to be a deserved winner, sucking wheels of Bardet? This. Uran did only 1 attack the whole race, and it was on a flat which wasn't gonna succeed.
Who cares, if an individual rider with little help from his team can stick around the top of the GC consistently, then good on them. It's just when a rider's super strong team does all the work that it's boring and bad for racing. Uran wrote the school of wheelsucking in this race. Everyone bar him and Meintjes attacked. Also Froome is pretty entertaining when he is not in lead. Which you can't say about Uran. (Wow, I'm defending Froome.)
Another explanation next to Uran being already satisfied with "only" a podium place: His team is so weak that getting him into the lead would only hurt him (as we saw with Aru) so he saves his attacks for the last decisive stage, for being the least possible amount of time in the spotlight. Less likely but also a possible explanation. (Wow I defend Uran)
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 19-07-2017 21:56
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Uran just severly lacks winning mentality. Many times up there in the biggest of races but always finds seems to find a way to not win.
Edited by Spilak23 on 19-07-2017 22:11
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| Shonak |
Posted on 19-07-2017 22:12
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
No, you were probably confused by 99% fanboys here expecting something, he does not have it! He probably run out of steaks somewhere around late 2014...
So much pre-race crap here about him being a contender. 
Also, Froome won, not even trying very hard, should be okay for Tour-Vuelta double.
Like I said, I was wrong. Too bad. Obviously he is not racing for the Tour win but at least he is trying and wanting a stage win and going down like a Champ, still setting a record like today at Croix de Fer, which is at least something foe the history books for a while.
Edited by Shonak on 19-07-2017 22:17
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 19-07-2017 22:17
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^ Which is exactly what I love about Alberto, no matter what happens, he fights like his life depends on it. When I was a kid I used to like Andy more, but as I've grown up, there so much that distances them mentally. Alberto would still attack if he had a brother being dropped.
And ofcourse, his bike dancing in the mountains is so stylish |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 19-07-2017 22:28
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Great posts Shonak and Schleck96. Contador's attacking spirit it what makes many love him, including me.
@Luxemburger But, if Uran is aiming for the win he should get time anywhere he can. Also he may have a bad day, crash, mechanical etc. and lose a lot of time so better to attack and gain time in the previous stages if he can.
Edited by Forever the Best on 19-07-2017 23:52
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| Kalach |
Posted on 19-07-2017 22:58
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Great posts Shonak and Schleck96. Contador's attacking spirit it what makes many love him, including me.
@Luxemburger But, if Uran is aiming for the win he should get time anywhere he can. Also he may have a bad day, crash, mechanical etc. and lose a lot of time so better to attack and gain time in the previous stages if he can.
Yes if he can but he couldnt thats the answer why he was not attacking = was on the limit
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
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* 1st Tour de Suisse ('23)
* 1st Tour de Romandie ('19, '18)
* 1st Tour de Pologne ('20, '19)
* 2nd Tour of California ('19)
* 2nd Tour de Suisse ('18)
* 3rd Tour de France ('23, '21)
* 3rd Giro d’Italia ('22)
* 3rd Vuelta Espana ('23)
* 3rd Autumn Classics ('19, '18)
* 9th Spring Classics ('18)
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| Shonak |
Posted on 19-07-2017 23:05
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Croatia14 wrote:
LordBeerus wrote:
Kalach wrote:
If people who ride for Froome would ride for bardet he could be also winner i am not mad as on froome as on team sky and their infinity strength because of unlimited $$$. It aint very fair. It kills competition so much
Not sure how it is now, but in 2016 Sky had comparable budget to Katusha, BMC and Tinkoff.
Tinkoff overspent on Contador's whole gang, BMC usually overpays classics riders and Katusha was known to overpay for any good Russian.
Please show me a reliable source that says so. In terms of wages I can imagine that, but in terms of development budget, research ressources and stuff like that Sky has by far the highest budget.
Quite true. Marginal gains, uhm.. well we have a thread for that but the Lord is right on that
Quick goolge search https://cyclingti...-equation/
Katusha  zero results this year apart from Vini Zakarini
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 19-07-2017 23:26
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wouty006 wrote:
Nibali rode around 10th place in those mountain stages, Barguil on the other hand couldn't stay with 100+ peleton 1 month ago
I am not getting tired to repeat that. Dauphine does not mean dick compared to tour 3rd. week. it 1 month. No one can not keep peal form (if you are not from Sky or you are L. Armstrong)
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| matt17br |
Posted on 19-07-2017 23:54
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Guido Mukk wrote:
wouty006 wrote:
Nibali rode around 10th place in those mountain stages, Barguil on the other hand couldn't stay with 100+ peleton 1 month ago
I am not getting tired to repeat that. Dauphine does not mean dick compared to tour 3rd. week. it 1 month. No one can not keep peal form (if you are not from Sky or you are L. Armstrong)
Peak form at Dauphine ..you will be fucked at Tour 3rd. week
Erm has no one mentioned here that Barguil was injured for most of the season leading up to the Tour? Pretty embarassing stuff being posted by wouty.
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