Paul23 wrote:
Let's face it, Arberg is not completely wrong. Froome is basically the best GT rider in the world. But on the other hand, he's a blind Contador hater.
2011: Could not do anything in the mountains. Evans, A. Schleck, F.Schleck and Voeckler beat him.
2013: Could not do anything in the mountains. Froome, Quintana and RodrÃguez beat him.
2014: The only year he deserved 82 in mountain and 79 ACC in since 2010, the doping years. But Nibali was fantastic in that tour and was 3 minutes ahead before Contador crashed.
2015: Could not do anything in the mountains. Froome, Quintana, Valverde and Nibali beat him.
2016: Could not do anything in the mountains and crash.
Edited by Arberg27 on 02-06-2017 15:07
Paul23 wrote:
Let's face it, Arberg is not completely wrong. Froome is basically the best GT rider in the world. But on the other hand, he's a blind Contador hater.
2011: Could not do anything in the mountains.
2013: Could not do anything in the mountains.
2014: The only year he deserved 82 in mountain and 79 ACC in since 2010, the doping years. But Nibali was fantastic in that tour and was 3 minutes ahead before Contador crashed.
2015: Could not do anything in the mountains.
2016: Could not do anything in the mountains and crash.
Do you think that Froomebot.exe is not doped to his eyeballs?
In 2014 Nibali was also ahead of Froome, when he crashed...
Paul23 wrote:
Let's face it, Arberg is not completely wrong. Froome is basically the best GT rider in the world. But on the other hand, he's a blind Contador hater.
2011: Could not do anything in the mountains.
2013: Could not do anything in the mountains.
2014: The only year he deserved 82 in mountain and 79 ACC in since 2010, the doping years. But Nibali was fantastic in that tour and was 3 minutes ahead before Contador crashed.
2015: Could not do anything in the mountains.
2016: Could not do anything in the mountains and crash.
2011: Had just finished a very hard Giro, no wonder he did little, he was very tired, apart from stage 19 of course, which was very good as a performance
2012: Wins Vuelta with brilliant long-range attack.
2013: Wasn't in great form, plus he'd only been back racing for just over a year after dope suspension.
2014: NIbali gained most of those 3 minutes of the cobbles, which aren't Contador's strong point, as many of us know, yet he races half the Tour, does relatively well given his disadvantage, has a nasty crash and fights back to win the Vuelta against Froome, Valv and Purito later in the season.
2015: Has just finished a hard Giro again so is understandably tired, and "team-mate" Majka refuses to be a team player
2016: Crashes in his two main goals for the season, the Tour and Vuelta, so he understandably struggles due to extra pain being experienced, but does quite well in the rest of the season as a whole, winning Pais Vasco and 2nd in Paris-Nice, although he was also disappointing in the Dauphine.
Paul23 wrote:
In 2014 Nibali was also ahead of Froome, when he crashed...
Froome has won all the other times in recent years. Contrary to Contador there is only one top 5 rider. This year he loses to, Froome, Porte, Valverde, Quintana and maybe Bardet. Just wait and see, if he does not crash. He is very good to crash.
Guys don't waste your time in detailed replies to Arberg, as Just a few years ago he was a Nibali hater but since he won the Tour and Giro he' now has nothing but praise for him. His dislike has now switched to Contador and heaven forbid if Froome fails to win the Tour this year his hate will probably switch to him.
He just discusses the same old boring Froome v Contador and Cav v Kittel/Greipel on here and of course Sagan but very little else.
Wouldn't it be great one day if he started comparing riders like say Trentin and Theuns or Lobato and Hofland
Paul23 wrote:
Don't you get that backup stats matter and Sagan and GVA are far superior there, as well as Froome to Contador?
Froome: 75 ACC, 75 END and 77 REC
Contador 79 ACC, 77 END and 80 REC
Yes, very superior backup stats, especially ACC makes Contador better. His climbing abilities and ACC are not so good more. Open the eyes. He is no longer than the podium candidate for the Tour, only top 5.
What?? Are you serious?? I think we have a hater here
After Froome, the one who is more reliable for a victory nowadays is Contador.
If Contador is not in the podium this year is because he will have any accident or because he prefers to inmolate to have a posibility to win instead of have a podium. He always has shown that the only thing he wants is to win, not the podium. Just the opposite of all his rivals apart of Froome.
To follow your poor and simply argument:
Volta Catalunya 2017: Contador 2nd, Froome 30rd.
So I think Froome with lucky will be on the top50 in the Tour
Nothing more to add as Tafiolmo said.
Paul23 wrote:
Don't you get that backup stats matter and Sagan and GVA are far superior there, as well as Froome to Contador?
Froome: 75 ACC, 75 END and 77 REC
Contador 79 ACC, 77 END and 80 REC
Yes, very superior backup stats, especially ACC makes Contador better. His climbing abilities and ACC are not so good more. Open the eyes. He is no longer than the podium candidate for the Tour, only top 5.
What?? Are you serious?? I think we have a hater here
After Froome, the one who is more reliable for a victory nowadays is Contador.
If Contador is not in the podium this year is because he will have any accident or because he prefers to inmolate to have a posibility to win instead of have a podium. He always has shown that the only thing he wants is to win, not the podium. Just the opposite of all his rivals apart of Froome.
To follow your poor and simply argument:
Volta Catalunya 2017: Contador 2nd, Froome 30rd.
So I think Froome with lucky will be on the top50 in the Tour
Nothing more to add as Tafiolmo said.
You are comparing one Volta Catalunya to 6 Tour De Frances? Lol okay...
But then you guys say that Arberg27 is a troll!
Arberg27 you are obssessed with hate for Contador and you always mention only half OF the truth. Read Marti_Scots01's post above please to understand the second half which you do not want to see.
Arberg27 how is it possible that in 2014 froome lost vuelta? He had "only" wrist injurY in comparison with contador's leg. Why he lost? And WHO is more consistent rider through season? Froome or Contador? You do not need to look far, just look at this season. And WHO has more GT wins? Froome is not the best GT rider OF this generation. He is maybe the best TDF rider. Well and he is not much in advance in comparison with contador. 2Tdf vs 3TDF...2giros vs 0 and 3 vueltas vs 0....
Simply as that just stop hating. Or do yourself a favour and low contador in your game according to your appetite
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Contador is a spirited racer and even if his performances have (arguably) been decreasing each year he still deserves to be considered maybe even as a top 3 TDF contender if he doesn't crash because of his experience, all-round ability and consistency.
Kalach wrote:
Arberg27 you are obssessed with hate for Contador and you always mention only half OF the truth. Read Marti_Scots01's post above please to understand the second half which you do not want to see.
Giro/Vuelta is not a tour. Rider like Dumoulin, Aru, Contador can win them, rider there cannot come on the podium in TDF. Rodriguez was stronger in mountains in Vuelta 12 and Landa was stronger in mountains in Giro 15.
Kalach wrote:
Arberg27 how is it possible that in 2014 froome lost vuelta? He had "only" wrist injurY in comparison with contador's leg. Why he lost? And WHO is more consistent rider through season? Froome or Contador? You do not need to look far, just look at this season. And WHO has more GT wins? Froome is not the best GT rider OF this generation. He is maybe the best TDF rider. Well and he is not much in advance in comparison with contador. 2Tdf vs 3TDF...2giros vs 0 and 3 vueltas vs 0....
Simply as that just stop hating. Or do yourself a favour and low contador in your game according to your appetite
Yes, Contador was worlds best climber from 2007 to 2010. But he is far from the same rider more, that can all be see. Just like Tom Boonen is not so good in cobbles more.
Edited by Arberg27 on 03-06-2017 08:46
BB95 wrote:
I miss the old good Danish forum days, when you were a Contador fan, arberg. What went wrong :/
Is still Contador fan! Love how he dares to take chances very far from the finish line, like in Vuelta last year. He's just not so strong more, Chaves was stronger.
Edited by Arberg27 on 03-06-2017 09:02
Martii_Scots01 wrote:
2011: Had just finished a very hard Giro, no wonder he did little, he was very tired, apart from stage 19 of course, which was very good as a performance
2012: Wins Vuelta with brilliant long-range attack.
2013: Wasn't in great form, plus he'd only been back racing for just over a year after dope suspension.
2014: NIbali gained most of those 3 minutes of the cobbles, which aren't Contador's strong point, as many of us know, yet he races half the Tour, does relatively well given his disadvantage, has a nasty crash and fights back to win the Vuelta against Froome, Valv and Purito later in the season.
2015: Has just finished a hard Giro again so is understandably tired, and "team-mate" Majka refuses to be a team player
2016: Crashes in his two main goals for the season, the Tour and Vuelta, so he understandably struggles due to extra pain being experienced, but does quite well in the rest of the season as a whole, winning Pais Vasco and 2nd in Paris-Nice, although he was also disappointing in the Dauphine.
2007-2010: Contador was a doping monster, 2009 was just ridiculous!
2011: Voeckler was stronger in mountains.
2012: Rodriguez was stronger in mountains.
2013: Rodriguez was stronger in mountains.
2014: The only year Contador was strong in mountains after 2010, though Froome was better before he crash in Dauphine.
2015: Landa was stronger in mountains.
2016: Chaves was stronger in mountains.
80/81 mountain, with very good TT, PL (higher PL than Froome IMO) and the highest FTH stats of GC riders.
Edited by Arberg27 on 03-06-2017 09:45
BB95 wrote:
I miss the old good Danish forum days, when you were a Contador fan, arberg. What went wrong :/
Is still Contador fan!
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Arberg27 wrote:
[quote]Kalach wrote:
Arberg27 you are obssessed with hate for Contador and you always mention only half OF the truth. Read Marti_Scots01's post above please to understand the second half which you do not want to see.
Giro/Vuelta is not a tour. Rider like Dumoulin, Aru, Contador can win them, rider there cannot come on the podium in TDF. Rodriguez was stronger in mountains in Vuelta 12 and Landa was stronger in mountains in Giro 15.
Wiggins? kek
Bardet? lel
Peraud? omg
Pinot? lol
Rodriguez? wat
Van den Broeck? wut
Or Menschow for that matter...
It's really hard to have enough "reactions" for every rider, who should not have been on the podium, according to you.
Paul23 wrote:
Don't you get that backup stats matter and Sagan and GVA are far superior there, as well as Froome to Contador?
Froome: 75 ACC, 75 END and 77 REC
Contador 79 ACC, 77 END and 80 REC
Yes, very superior backup stats, especially ACC makes Contador better. His climbing abilities and ACC are not so good more. Open the eyes. He is no longer than the podium candidate for the Tour, only top 5.
What?? Are you serious?? I think we have a hater here
After Froome, the one who is more reliable for a victory nowadays is Contador.
If Contador is not in the podium this year is because he will have any accident or because he prefers to inmolate to have a posibility to win instead of have a podium. He always has shown that the only thing he wants is to win, not the podium. Just the opposite of all his rivals apart of Froome.
To follow your poor and simply argument:
Volta Catalunya 2017: Contador 2nd, Froome 30rd.
So I think Froome with lucky will be on the top50 in the Tour
Nothing more to add as Tafiolmo said.
You are comparing one Volta Catalunya to 6 Tour De Frances? Lol okay...
But then you guys say that Arberg27 is a troll!
No, you didn't understand anything.
The fact is that if you put only a result of a race without any analisis and without mention other results, has no value. I though it was obvious.
Martii_Scots01 has explained what happened on these Tours, where he had accidents and came after riding the Giro. Add other races he has won these years.
Do you know that Contador won the Giro and the Vuelta these years? Do you know how many one week races has won ? Do you know he has beaten continuously all the rivals you said that are better than him?
I think you just have to check the results and what happened in the races he participated on those years.
Edited by catenaccio81 on 03-06-2017 11:41
Paul23 wrote:
Don't you get that backup stats matter and Sagan and GVA are far superior there, as well as Froome to Contador?
Froome: 75 ACC, 75 END and 77 REC
Contador 79 ACC, 77 END and 80 REC
Yes, very superior backup stats, especially ACC makes Contador better. His climbing abilities and ACC are not so good more. Open the eyes. He is no longer than the podium candidate for the Tour, only top 5.
What?? Are you serious?? I think we have a hater here
After Froome, the one who is more reliable for a victory nowadays is Contador.
If Contador is not in the podium this year is because he will have any accident or because he prefers to inmolate to have a posibility to win instead of have a podium. He always has shown that the only thing he wants is to win, not the podium. Just the opposite of all his rivals apart of Froome.
To follow your poor and simply argument:
Volta Catalunya 2017: Contador 2nd, Froome 30rd.
So I think Froome with lucky will be on the top50 in the Tour
Nothing more to add as Tafiolmo said.
You are comparing one Volta Catalunya to 6 Tour De Frances? Lol okay...
But then you guys say that Arberg27 is a troll!
No, you didn't understand anything.
The fact is that if you put only a result of a race without any analisis and without mention other results, has no value. I though it was obvious.
Martii_Scots01 has explained what happened on these Tours, where he had accidents and came after riding the Giro. Add other races he has won these years.
Do you know that Contador won the Giro and the Vuelta these years? Do you know how many one week races has won ? Do you know he has beaten continuously all the rivals you said that are better than him?
I think you just have to check the results and what happened in the races he participated on those years.
Vuelta a España 2012: RodrÃguez must stronger in mountains.
Tour De France: 2013: Froome, Quintana, RodrÃguez and Kreuziger must stronger in mountains.
Vuelta a España 2014: Froome and Quintana crashed.
Giro d'italia 2015: Landa must stronger in mountains.
Tour De France 2015: Froome, Quintana, Valverde and Nibali must stronger in mountains.
Tour De France 2016: Contador was very bad, before he crashed.
Vuelta a España 2016: Quintana, Froome and Chaves must stronger in mountains.
Edited by matt17br on 03-06-2017 14:08
Paul23 wrote:
Don't you get that backup stats matter and Sagan and GVA are far superior there, as well as Froome to Contador?
Froome: 75 ACC, 75 END and 77 REC
Contador 79 ACC, 77 END and 80 REC
Yes, very superior backup stats, especially ACC makes Contador better. His climbing abilities and ACC are not so good more. Open the eyes. He is no longer than the podium candidate for the Tour, only top 5.
What?? Are you serious?? I think we have a hater here
After Froome, the one who is more reliable for a victory nowadays is Contador.
If Contador is not in the podium this year is because he will have any accident or because he prefers to inmolate to have a posibility to win instead of have a podium. He always has shown that the only thing he wants is to win, not the podium. Just the opposite of all his rivals apart of Froome.
To follow your poor and simply argument:
Volta Catalunya 2017: Contador 2nd, Froome 30rd.
So I think Froome with lucky will be on the top50 in the Tour
Nothing more to add as Tafiolmo said.
You are comparing one Volta Catalunya to 6 Tour De Frances? Lol okay...
But then you guys say that Arberg27 is a troll!
No, you didn't understand anything.
The fact is that if you put only a result of a race without any analisis and without mention other results, has no value. I though it was obvious.
Martii_Scots01 has explained what happened on these Tours, where he had accidents and came after riding the Giro. Add other races he has won these years.
Do you know that Contador won the Giro and the Vuelta these years? Do you know how many one week races has won ? Do you know he has beaten continuously all the rivals you said that are better than him?
I think you just have to check the results and what happened in the races he participated on those years.
Vuelta a España 2012: RodrÃguez must stronger in mountains.
Tour De France: 2013: Froome, Quintana, RodrÃguez and Kreuziger must stronger in mountains.
Vuelta a España 2014: Froome and Quintana crashed.
Giro d'italia 2015: Landa must stronger in mountains.
Tour De France 2015: Froome, Quintana, Valverde and Nibali must stronger in mountains.
Tour De France 2016: Contador was very bad, before he crashed.
Vuelta a España 2016: Quintana, Froome and Chaves must stronger in mountains.
Vuelta 2012: Purito was taking him time because of his punch in the final 200 metres in rather hilly finishes Vuelta 2014: When did Froome crashed? Froome tried to attack him in the mountain stages, but Contador won both of them Tour 2015: It's obvious that others were going to be stronger if he was the only one to have ridden Giro Tour 2016: Contador crashed in stage 1. How could he be very bad before the crash? Vuelta 2016: Chaves was not stronger than him, he was smarter. Also, Contador crashed again before mountain stages
Edited by matt17br on 03-06-2017 14:08
Are you serious?? I think we have a hater here 
Are you serious?? I think we have a hater here 
