|
Giro d'Italia 2017 - Week 3
|
| clamel |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:47
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1359
Joined: 13-07-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
3-4 times the last 40 years at the Giro we had 3 riders within 1 minute, but this time it was 4, then even the 5th and 6th was within 1m 30s.
Coming from 4th the last stage was a first time. Well done Tom D.
Yes Lemond winning by 8 s was a nail biter, that is correct. A similar tempo finish.
Edited by clamel on 28-05-2017 16:49
 ____________________________________________
--------------------
“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” 
"If thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."
-------------------- |
| |
|
|
| Paul23 |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:47
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 4394
Joined: 10-08-2011
PCM$: 400.00
|
Dusen wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Shit mountain stages, only reason TomTom wins, Almost all mountains at 6,5 -7% which is great for a big fuck like TomTom, easy to pace on.
No room for climbers to do their thing.
What?
Climbers had enough stages to make a difference. One day they decided to play weird tactical games. lasr weeks they did not had legs left
Take an honest look at the mountain in this years Giro, 6,5-7% and ALL of the them for some reason go flat the last 4-5 km to the top. so a clear + for a roleur like Tom
Blockhaus, Stelvio were defo not "easy" climbs.
Then almost every climb had up to 12-15% steepness.
And how did Blockhaus go?
12-15 steepness for 500 meters, and then climb ended with 4-5 km flat.
Yeah, really a flat ending.
|
| |
|
|
| alexkr00 |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:47
|
World Champion
Posts: 13561
Joined: 05-08-2008
PCM$: 400.00
|
TheManxMissile wrote:
2005 Giro, 28" win by Savoldelli. That was a good one with Basso trying to fight back.
Only missed it by about one hour in the end 
|
| |
|
|
| Kalach |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:48
|
Breakaway Specialist
Posts: 880
Joined: 04-08-2012
PCM$: 300.00
|
Dusen wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Shit mountain stages, only reason TomTom wins, Almost all mountains at 6,5 -7% which is great for a big fuck like TomTom, easy to pace on.
No room for climbers to do their thing.
Plenty of stages, but Quintana was under par. Nibali was about as good as you could expect, but Tom was incredible always minimising the damage and even winning on Oropa. That said, many stages could obviously have designed to give a better show, especially that Dolomite stage where they did a pretty pointless loop to Pontives.
Chapeau Tom, the most interesting is now whether Prudhomme sees Dumoulin as Froome's biggest competitor and design a TT-heavy course.
How do you expect the to make a difference on these gradients? The mountains they rode is suited for roleurs. If you are going to have 70 timetrial KM, then climbers need better terrain then what they have been given this Giro
Dont cry i think it was good route ..okey more time trials. But it was known beforehand
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
_____________________________________________
PCM Velogames Championship - Top Results
* 1st Tour de Suisse ('23)
* 1st Tour de Romandie ('19, '18)
* 1st Tour de Pologne ('20, '19)
* 2nd Tour of California ('19)
* 2nd Tour de Suisse ('18)
* 3rd Tour de France ('23, '21)
* 3rd Giro d’Italia ('22)
* 3rd Vuelta Espana ('23)
* 3rd Autumn Classics ('19, '18)
* 9th Spring Classics ('18)
|
| |
|
|
| Ad Bot |
Posted on 07-12-2025 15:07
|
Bot Agent
Posts: Countless
Joined: 23.11.09
|
|
| IP: None |
|
|
| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:48
|
Grand Tour Champion
Posts: 7687
Joined: 24-07-2009
PCM$: 200.00
|
Quickstep won 5 stages in the Giro white and points jerseys and still no sponsor for 2018. Cycling is fucked up. |
| |
|
|
| Dusen |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:48
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1173
Joined: 30-07-2013
PCM$: 200.00
|
Paul23 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Shit mountain stages, only reason TomTom wins, Almost all mountains at 6,5 -7% which is great for a big fuck like TomTom, easy to pace on.
No room for climbers to do their thing.
Plenty of stages, but Quintana was under par. Nibali was about as good as you could expect, but Tom was incredible always minimising the damage and even winning on Oropa. That said, many stages could obviously have designed to give a better show, especially that Dolomite stage where they did a pretty pointless loop to Pontives.
Chapeau Tom, the most interesting is now whether Prudhomme sees Dumoulin as Froome's biggest competitor and design a TT-heavy course.
How do you expect the to make a difference on these gradients? The mountains they rode is suited for roleurs. If you are going to have 70 timetrial KM, then climbers need better terrain then what they have been given this Giro
That's total nonsense. Climbs are for rouleurs, when they are peaking at 5-6%, but most climbs peaked at 12-15%.
So 500m of steepness makes the difference. Means nothing. When Tom got 4km of 3-6% gradient to work with at the end + for some reason a flat part of around 10-15 km on at leat two stages. |
| |
|
|
| Paul23 |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:49
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 4394
Joined: 10-08-2011
PCM$: 400.00
|
Kirchen_75 wrote:
Quickstep won 5 stages in the Giro white and points jerseys and still no sponsor for 2018. Cycling is fucked up.
I cri evritiem. ;(
|
| |
|
|
| deek12345 |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:49
|
Small Tour Specialist
Posts: 2652
Joined: 13-06-2009
PCM$: 460.00
|
Kirchen_75 wrote:
Quickstep won 5 stages in the Giro white and points jerseys and still no sponsor for 2018. Cycling is fucked up.
Yep pretty sad |
| |
|
|
| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:49
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 4190
Joined: 13-09-2015
PCM$: 400.00
|
That's only less than 1% over Savoldelli's time. I guess that's close
|
| |
|
|
| alexkr00 |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:50
|
World Champion
Posts: 13561
Joined: 05-08-2008
PCM$: 400.00
|
Kirchen_75 wrote:
Quickstep won 5 stages in the Giro white and points jerseys and still no sponsor for 2018. Cycling is fucked up.
Pretty sure it would have to be a good sponsor, not just a sponsor. Kind of like Columbia.
|
| |
|
|
| Riis123 |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:50
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 5061
Joined: 07-08-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
Dusen wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Shit mountain stages, only reason TomTom wins, Almost all mountains at 6,5 -7% which is great for a big fuck like TomTom, easy to pace on.
No room for climbers to do their thing.
Plenty of stages, but Quintana was under par. Nibali was about as good as you could expect, but Tom was incredible always minimising the damage and even winning on Oropa. That said, many stages could obviously have designed to give a better show, especially that Dolomite stage where they did a pretty pointless loop to Pontives.
Chapeau Tom, the most interesting is now whether Prudhomme sees Dumoulin as Froome's biggest competitor and design a TT-heavy course.
How do you expect the to make a difference on these gradients? The mountains they rode is suited for roleurs. If you are going to have 70 timetrial KM, then climbers need better terrain then what they have been given this Giro
Blockhaus, Umbrailpass and Piancavallo was for pure climbers. Very hard, long and all pretty to very steep climbs.
Anyways, as I said before, I agree that the route could have been better - if thats what you mean.  |
| |
|
|
| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:51
|
Tour de France Champion
Posts: 17833
Joined: 12-05-2012
PCM$: 0.00
|
Aquarius97 wrote:
That's only less than 1% over Savoldelli's time. I guess that's close
Basso was entertaining I didn't say he finished 2nd in that race
|
| |
|
|
| Dusen |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:51
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1173
Joined: 30-07-2013
PCM$: 200.00
|
Paul23 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Shit mountain stages, only reason TomTom wins, Almost all mountains at 6,5 -7% which is great for a big fuck like TomTom, easy to pace on.
No room for climbers to do their thing.
What?
Climbers had enough stages to make a difference. One day they decided to play weird tactical games. lasr weeks they did not had legs left
Take an honest look at the mountain in this years Giro, 6,5-7% and ALL of the them for some reason go flat the last 4-5 km to the top. so a clear + for a roleur like Tom
Blockhaus, Stelvio were defo not "easy" climbs.
Then almost every climb had up to 12-15% steepness.
And how did Blockhaus go?
12-15 steepness for 500 meters, and then climb ended with 4-5 km flat.
Yeah, really a flat ending.
There is a reason there was a seperation between the two lines, because i was answering two different things.
And how did Blockhaus go? (Quintana attacked and put time onto them all)
Then almost every climb had up to 12-15% steepness - 12-15 steepness for 500 meters, and then climb ended with 4-5 km flat. |
| |
|
|
| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:52
|
Team Leader
Posts: 6177
Joined: 20-07-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
Dusen wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Shit mountain stages, only reason TomTom wins, Almost all mountains at 6,5 -7% which is great for a big fuck like TomTom, easy to pace on.
No room for climbers to do their thing.
Plenty of stages, but Quintana was under par. Nibali was about as good as you could expect, but Tom was incredible always minimising the damage and even winning on Oropa. That said, many stages could obviously have designed to give a better show, especially that Dolomite stage where they did a pretty pointless loop to Pontives.
Chapeau Tom, the most interesting is now whether Prudhomme sees Dumoulin as Froome's biggest competitor and design a TT-heavy course.
How do you expect the to make a difference on these gradients? The mountains they rode is suited for roleurs. If you are going to have 70 timetrial KM, then climbers need better terrain then what they have been given this Giro
That's total nonsense. Climbs are for rouleurs, when they are peaking at 5-6%, but most climbs peaked at 12-15%.
So 500m of steepness makes the difference. Means nothing. When Tom got 4km of 3-6% gradient to work with at the end + for some reason a flat part of around 10-15 km on at leat two stages.
Dude stop with the denial. There were plenty of steep climbs! Just look at how many TTist are in the top10 Pozzovivo, Pinot, Zakarin, Quintana. All rouleurs who benefited from these minor lumps on the road...
|
| |
|
|
| Dusen |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:54
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1173
Joined: 30-07-2013
PCM$: 200.00
|
Riis123 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Shit mountain stages, only reason TomTom wins, Almost all mountains at 6,5 -7% which is great for a big fuck like TomTom, easy to pace on.
No room for climbers to do their thing.
Plenty of stages, but Quintana was under par. Nibali was about as good as you could expect, but Tom was incredible always minimising the damage and even winning on Oropa. That said, many stages could obviously have designed to give a better show, especially that Dolomite stage where they did a pretty pointless loop to Pontives.
Chapeau Tom, the most interesting is now whether Prudhomme sees Dumoulin as Froome's biggest competitor and design a TT-heavy course.
How do you expect the to make a difference on these gradients? The mountains they rode is suited for roleurs. If you are going to have 70 timetrial KM, then climbers need better terrain then what they have been given this Giro
Blockhaus, Umbrailpass and Piancavallo was for pure climbers. Very hard, long and all pretty to very steep climbs.
Anyways, as I said before, I agree that the route could have been better - if thats what you mean.
Don't think we are going to see 100% eye to eye. So let's leave it at that. I thought the race lagged one or two more stages like Blockhaus with proper gradient not just lasting 500m. Seemed like they tried to make the perfect race for Nibali to win, and then Tom came in from the side at took the win with a superior timetrial. Don't think they saw that one coming |
| |
|
|
| Dusen |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:56
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1173
Joined: 30-07-2013
PCM$: 200.00
|
Gustavovskiy wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Shit mountain stages, only reason TomTom wins, Almost all mountains at 6,5 -7% which is great for a big fuck like TomTom, easy to pace on.
No room for climbers to do their thing.
Plenty of stages, but Quintana was under par. Nibali was about as good as you could expect, but Tom was incredible always minimising the damage and even winning on Oropa. That said, many stages could obviously have designed to give a better show, especially that Dolomite stage where they did a pretty pointless loop to Pontives.
Chapeau Tom, the most interesting is now whether Prudhomme sees Dumoulin as Froome's biggest competitor and design a TT-heavy course.
How do you expect the to make a difference on these gradients? The mountains they rode is suited for roleurs. If you are going to have 70 timetrial KM, then climbers need better terrain then what they have been given this Giro
That's total nonsense. Climbs are for rouleurs, when they are peaking at 5-6%, but most climbs peaked at 12-15%.
So 500m of steepness makes the difference. Means nothing. When Tom got 4km of 3-6% gradient to work with at the end + for some reason a flat part of around 10-15 km on at leat two stages.
Dude stop with the denial. There were plenty of steep climbs! Just look at how many TTist are in the top10 Pozzovivo, Pinot, Zakarin, Quintana. All rouleurs who benefited from these minor lumps on the road...
You should take a better look at those mountain finishes. |
| |
|
|
| Riis123 |
Posted on 28-05-2017 16:56
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 5061
Joined: 07-08-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
But seriously, lets wait with the complaining about routes to Tour de France this year. Take a look at the stages - its pure dogshit.
Interesting if Tom is going to the Vuelta.... |
| |
|
|
| Kalach |
Posted on 28-05-2017 17:04
|
Breakaway Specialist
Posts: 880
Joined: 04-08-2012
PCM$: 300.00
|
Riis123 wrote:
But seriously, lets wait with the complaining about routes to Tour de France this year. Take a look at the stages - its pure dogshit.
Interesting if Tom is going to the Vuelta....
Exactly. That tdf route
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
_____________________________________________
PCM Velogames Championship - Top Results
* 1st Tour de Suisse ('23)
* 1st Tour de Romandie ('19, '18)
* 1st Tour de Pologne ('20, '19)
* 2nd Tour of California ('19)
* 2nd Tour de Suisse ('18)
* 3rd Tour de France ('23, '21)
* 3rd Giro d’Italia ('22)
* 3rd Vuelta Espana ('23)
* 3rd Autumn Classics ('19, '18)
* 9th Spring Classics ('18)
|
| |
|
|
| ruben |
Posted on 28-05-2017 17:23
|
Team Leader
Posts: 7125
Joined: 23-10-2006
PCM$: 200.00
|
YES TOM YES
Dutch curse lifted. We have a GT winner who beats a combined 6GT wins. Awesome =) |
| |
|
|
| EwanWilson |
Posted on 28-05-2017 17:57
|
Breakaway Specialist
Posts: 980
Joined: 29-12-2013
PCM$: 200.00
|
HUP TOM!
This is honestly the best GT I've ever watched, maybe because I'm a fan or because it went to the wire on the final stage. Even coming into the final stage I still had my doubts, even in that final kilometre I had doubts, but that countdown was the most tense thing ever.
Congrats Tom, congrats Sunweb - it's been a long time coming.
|
| |
|
