Year after year I get late with my wishes, but I hope Cyanide can get used to it. Also great to hear that they take notice of the wishlist. I didn't read through all of the wishes but as all the years this year there are some great suggestions in it.
My older posts from last year:
some ideas have alredy found their way into the game PCM 15/16: Wishlist PCM 15/16: Wishlist
Now as last year I have got all ideas in spoilers to hold it tight.
Idea: Game saving during 3D-Race (Gameplay)
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Explanation of idea:
Save running races would be a great opportunity sometimes there are moments, where you have to leave somewhere and you can't come back in a few moments. So a save of the actual standings would make it more comfortable. Further more the save will be deleted automatically after the race is over. Or making this save a "training" option to give it some more tries on maybe the last hill or on a mountainfinish (but as I guess this would end up in cheating by getting multiple tries on races)
Why:
I know the situation myself in leaving the PC on good positioning in 3D race. Then the race is on pause for hours and you are somewhere around and hope it won't shut down.
Idea: equipment coloring and helmet again (Gameplay, others)
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Explanation of idea:
The possibility to select different equipment for every rider was great except the helmet thing.
So it would be great to see the helmet come back to the selection. So this must be in for next year. Maybe also with some new designs of frames and helmets.
I also thought about special painting for bikes. I can select the different frames for a race. So why couldn't I select the color or the texture (.dds) of a riders frame (.nif) too.
example: If I select a frame for team Orica. I want the bike of Chaves not to be held in the team colors, but in some other color like red (maybe with a RGB color tool), or select another texture only for his frame. So when he is leading the KOM in the Tour I want to be able to select a red dotted texture for the frame of Chaves. Like we can already do with the leader and NC jerseys.
in detail: the *.nif file stays the same, only the *.dds file changes
Why:
The helmet selection is a must have for 2017. One of the most important revolutions in aero and we don't have it in game.
The texture and color selection would be a very nice feature. Back in 2010 I was able to create multiple frames in different colors. Now with the development of the frame this is not possible anymore, so texture changes on one frame model would be a good solution.
It became also standard in todays peloton to see teams/riders leading a classment wearing the same colored equipments.
Idea: evolution and potential of riders; trainers and training (Career)
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Explanation of idea:
One thing I pray for every year to see something revolutional.
Bring back the potential of the riders for every stat to see what is possible with him and where to focus him on.
Away with the modern, traditional, trainers and back to the special trainers for punchers, time trailing, sprinters,... + more detailed info of the trainer > his basic skill to train riders, to motivate them, increase potential overall and specific,...
The relationship to the trainer stars are good, but also need some more enhancement and detail to see what happens when a rider and a trainer have problems with their work together.
The possibility to not only select the training method of the rider give the players the opportunity to create the training plan of the rider so we get 100% and we can choice where we want the rider to get better (30% flat, 50% time trial, 20% prolog).
P.S. Make the results also get some influence on the rider not only in happiness also in stats. So if a good rider is having bad results his stats may decrease and he needs to regain them also by showing good performances in races again.
Why:
this is one part getting worse every year. This is the heart of a manager game and the only thing is to connect riders with trainers and select some training methods. This is to simple.
Idea: daily form (Gameplay)
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Explanation of Idea:
yes this one was good the see in the game but it needs some more work on.
Maybe get in some random favorite weather conditions for the riders so this will get more influence on all riders. And stay logic with Spains love heat and dry conditions and guys of the Bretagne like it rainy and cold.
Also the overall moral can play a role in this.
The infoscreen is most of the time showing the same +1 or +2 daily forms and not maybe bad ones or very good ones I know this is only a preview but this may get a little more detailed. Also when a game crashes the daily form and more (weather) gets calculated new so before the crash you have got +4 after the restart of the game it's going down to +1. I also had luck some time it was the other way round but maybe this can stay static after a restart.
What also can be helpful a button or whatever to multiply the dailyform and basic stats together, more on this later on.
Why:
good new feature but for me it seems it's not finished yet. There are some little things to tweak and then it fits perfect in the game.
Idea: observation (gameplay)
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Explanation of idea:
Also an old feature back in the days. Maybe not showing the full potential of the opponent rider for the day but giving a little knowledge of how good his feeling is today. Like after observation you get one of 3 possible smiles with the face showing you the approximate daily form of an opponent.
Why:
I real cycling you can also read your opponents and approximately know their form by just looking at them. So this can also be possible in the game.
Idea: daily form stats (Gameplay)
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Explanation of idea:
put in a button in the 3d race to switch between stats including daily form and the window with the numbers standing beside the basic stats. So It is easier to see the stats clearly.
Like mountain: 75 +5 with switching the button you only see 80.
Why:
It would be a nice comfort to not always calculate the numbers to see the actual stat during the race. And the Button or whatever it may be is placed right in the info screen of the stats so it is there where it needs to be.
Idea: season planning (Career)
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Explanation of idea:
Back to the older models and more detail on recovery freshness possible fitness on specific races. Also some more overview on the whole fitness scheduling with all races. I miss the stars of the favourited races of riders,...
Why:
The season planning is getting worse every year. I can't set the goal Giro-Tour. How that?
I want to set my goals free. And for those who doesn't want to plan hours on the fitness schedule there could be a option before the career starts to switch it of and very one is riding with the same fitness in every race. This may be boring, but it's an option and so nobody can talk bad about it. If you don't want it don't use it.
Idea: races, stages and national championships (Career)
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Explanation of idea:
I want to see at least the WT and HC.1-2 races with full coverage of the original profile up to date. Which also leads me to national championships. More actual profiles and the possibility if I add a NC myself to delete the e-mail of the new (wrong) champion after the race!!!
Why:
Don't understand me wrong but I don't think we need tons of races, what we need is more quality in important or traditional races. It is frustrating to see the same stage on another race again. Or have a race where all stages are picked together.
Idea: lighter expansion packs (others)
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Explanation of idea:
The pcm.daily pack always was my favourite , but with the years this 5GB pack was to much for me. So I ask you (pcm.daily) to maybe get one step back for not to enthusiast players and make a small lite pack with real names and not much more. Maybe one with the great pcm.daily stats and rider enhancement too, but this would be everything it sometimes needs.
Why:
I love this forum and the guys taking their free time to create great stuff on here. But for me this is to much. I was looking for a simple basic realname database, but was not able to find one, or at least a good one.
Idea: forum discussion (others)
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Explanation of idea:
A sub thread for the Wishlist and more to talk about the ideas of others and maybe bring in some own ideas and corrections on it. Like "PCM 16/17: Wishlist open talk on ideas" or something like that. Also a thread for good features and possible ideas to that and what makes this feature great. Not only the threads where we shout on the bugs and the bad AI.
A good solution so far was the categorisation of the ideas.
What I miss on the wishlist is our profile on how we play the game like I'm a 3D player and not a simulator. I only play like 1 or 2 seasons but every game in 3D Mode.
Which databes is used default or customized (stats)?
What kind of career is played: Be A Pro mode or Career Mode
Why:
I always want to comment on some great ideas and give my own words and thoughts about it. But writing comments in the Wishlist would make the wishlist thread worthless. So a separate thread to write to some ideas would be fine.
A thread to write about the good features in the game could also be great to show Cyanide where they go in the right direction. And maybe give some clues for further action on it.
The player profile gives the developers more insight on certain things. I know that I'm not very often here to write in the forum, but I do make me worries about all that and want to see this game come forward. And this forum seems to be the best place to do so.
I love this forum and the guys taking their free time to create great stuff on here. But for me this is to much. I was looking for a simple basic realname database, but was not able to find one, or at least a good one.
Take a look at the steam workshop, there's literally tons of Realname Databases right there
I always want to comment on some great ideas and give my own words and thoughts about it. But writing comments in the Wishlist would make the wishlist thread worthless. So a separate thread to write to some ideas would be fine.
Hey no one prevents you to, frankly I think 2 threads or more would be too many and the more activity on this thread the marrier, and the higher chance for Cyanide to notice - even though ideas get sent to them periodically.
Explanation of idea:
The pcm.daily pack always was my favourite , but with the years this 5GB pack was to much for me. So I ask you (pcm.daily) to maybe get one step back for not to enthusiast players and make a small lite pack with real names and not much more. Maybe one with the great pcm.daily stats and rider enhancement too, but this would be everything it sometimes needs.
Why:
I love this forum and the guys taking their free time to create great stuff on here. But for me this is to much. I was looking for a simple basic realname database, but was not able to find one, or at least a good one.
Idea: forum discussion (others)
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Explanation of idea:
A sub thread for the Wishlist and more to talk about the ideas of others and maybe bring in some own ideas and corrections on it. Like "PCM 16/17: Wishlist open talk on ideas" or something like that. Also a thread for good features and possible ideas to that and what makes this feature great. Not only the threads where we shout on the bugs and the bad AI.
A good solution so far was the categorisation of the ideas.
What I miss on the wishlist is our profile on how we play the game like I'm a 3D player and not a simulator. I only play like 1 or 2 seasons but every game in 3D Mode.
Which databes is used default or customized (stats)?
What kind of career is played: Be A Pro mode or Career Mode
Why:
I always want to comment on some great ideas and give my own words and thoughts about it. But writing comments in the Wishlist would make the wishlist thread worthless. So a separate thread to write to some ideas would be fine.
A thread to write about the good features in the game could also be great to show Cyanide where they go in the right direction. And maybe give some clues for further action on it.
The player profile gives the developers more insight on certain things. I know that I'm not very often here to write in the forum, but I do make me worries about all that and want to see this game come forward. And this forum seems to be the best place to do so.
Honestly I'm going to be very disappointed if Cyanide does not improve a forum they don't own!
I have one or two ideas or suggestions that for me at least would improve my experience in PCM 16.
Pro Cyclist.
Give the option for first person. At the moment there is little difference in Pro and Career modes. Pro Cyclist is about you so should be viewed from your perspective.
Career Mode.
I think someone already mentioned this As it stands, the rider objectives make little sense. I like to create my own team selecting young riders under 25. Mostly they are avg 70 with one or two avg 71, 72 and a couple avg 69. So my teams always begin at the continental level. Whenever I go to rider objectives my top three riders more often than not have objectives in races that are not even listed in the season schedule. That needs to be fixed.
Sponsor objectives are also a little unrealistic... although who knows what pleases sponsors. There are always at least two objectives at the start of the season before you are able to get any race time in for your riders and these objectives are often highly rated ones. I know that these can be edited using Lachis Editor (which is a great tool by the way) but one should not have to resort to this to play the game.
Without Lachis Season Planner, I would not continue playing the game. The in game scheduler is unusable imo. Improvement here is essential.
I agree with one or two others about the trainers stats. Currently they are virtually non-existent
Why are you not allowed to refuse a national team? I for one have no interest in managing a national team but I have no option. The only option I am given is which national team to manager. If some players have asked for this to be included in PCM then fine but at least allow a player to refuse.
I have mentioned in a previous post that PCM does not give you the sense that you are managing a team. There are a few screens that you look at during the start of the season then it is all about pretty graphics (the race.) The screens that you view are not even graphically pleasing, they have hardly changed since 2001. It seems to me that Cyanide are only interested in providing its users with pretty graphics at the expense of game play because since 2001 the graphics is really the only thing that has improved
Hi all, I am new here on forum, and paradoxly I like Pro Cyclist mode more than regular Career. I am not sure if is not too late for this proposals, but at least I tried.
Pro Cyclist
1. Expected role table when you choose new contract
When you create new character, on 2nd screen you get 3 options of your first contract. It's simple table with roles and your expected position on that role. I was still hoping they add that table even when you want in july select next season contract after expiration of your old one. But no, you have to check every team and calculate your chances to be leader manually.
2. Developing of new bikes - tests
This feature is presented in Career mode. Why it shouldn't be some way simplified in Pro Cycling mode too?
3. Coach influence on training progress
I think this is simplified way too much. It doesn't matter who is your coach ( and in savefile it's clear that you have assigned one ), whole training progress looks really random and have to be clarify. It should be in some way, but you can't compare training methods in Sky with some Pro Continental Team. And in that case there will be choice - better training progress or more races in leader role.
4. Merge NC for countries with less than 50 riders
In real life it works with Czechs and Slovaks ( they have exclusion? ) - riders from both countries compete in one NC, but as result there are 2 champions - 1st of all Czech riders and 1st of all Slovaks. This should works even for Finns and Swedes - both countries have in 1st season only few riders, so they should participate on Norwegian NC. Players want to win their jerseys, not "inherit" them off-screen. And it could be great motivation to create cyclist from "exotic" nation ( like Eritrea and so ).
5. At least 2-3 types of tracks for NCs
It's simple, for example you just can't win German NC as Climber or GC rider...
6. Be part of some pre-season camp would be nice
No comment needed.
Idea: Throwing bicycles
Explanation: Who agrees with me that they lost only a wheel lenght in sprint, and they had nervous after that?
Why: As someone said, add realism
I would hope that by now they could release a version that has no bugs and that somehow they could involve an automatic results save (for story writers obviously)
Exp: In the previous editions of the game riders already decline in stats in the first weeks of the calendar such as Gilbert, Garrens and others. Sometimes you avoid to start a career with a team because you simply know your favorite rider, for example, Greipel, Boonen and even Froome will decline in stats before even their main event. Thus, I suggest that decline in stats should be made after the season, and the meaning od decline age should be highlighted, many riders who are 30, and have declining age 33, decrease in stats through the season as often Froome. As on example Valverde and probably Froome they gonna be horse powers till 35 in cycling. That new decline system could be also based on results from the season when the rider does not fulfil results he is expected then he can decline earlier before his age of 33.
This'll be a bit late and would maybe be harder to implement/is already there somewhere but Idea: (Hidden) Team Stats Explanation of idea: In many other sports games (Jonah Lomu Rugby, FM, etc.) each team has behind the scenes stats that doesn't affect how good they are, but how aggressive they are, what kind of players/riders they'll buy to suit their style and goals (different types of races). These can evolve over time and as managers don't change these can merge with the teams - loyalty to riders, do they go for young talent or big stars, will they pay their leaders ridiculous wages or let them go.
You get the idea but both go much more detailed (not that PCM would have to in their hypothetical first year with this) Why (No one word or some word posts): Wouldn't everyone like it if Dimension Data stayed African, if Sky behaved as normal and just focused on power gaming GTs, if Etixx tried to get their cobbles hopes up, if Direct Energie were more aggressive than some others. These wouldn't be drastic changes so a new cobbles or mountains power team could always emerge.
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jandal7 wrote:
This'll be a bit late and would maybe be harder to implement/is already there somewhere but Idea: (Hidden) Team Stats Explanation of idea: In many other sports games (Jonah Lomu Rugby, FM, etc.) each team has behind the scenes stats that doesn't affect how good they are, but how aggressive they are, what kind of players/riders they'll buy to suit their style and goals (different types of races). These can evolve over time and as managers don't change these can merge with the teams - loyalty to riders, do they go for young talent or big stars, will they pay their leaders ridiculous wages or let them go.
You get the idea but both go much more detailed (not that PCM would have to in their hypothetical first year with this) Why (No one word or some word posts): Wouldn't everyone like it if Dimension Data stayed African, if Sky behaved as normal and just focused on power gaming GTs, if Etixx tried to get their cobbles hopes up, if Direct Energie were more aggressive than some others. These wouldn't be drastic changes so a new cobbles or mountains power team could always emerge.
That sound amazing. Really wish they could implement that.
jandal7 wrote:
This'll be a bit late and would maybe be harder to implement/is already there somewhere but Idea: (Hidden) Team Stats Explanation of idea: In many other sports games (Jonah Lomu Rugby, FM, etc.) each team has behind the scenes stats that doesn't affect how good they are, but how aggressive they are, what kind of players/riders they'll buy to suit their style and goals (different types of races). These can evolve over time and as managers don't change these can merge with the teams - loyalty to riders, do they go for young talent or big stars, will they pay their leaders ridiculous wages or let them go.
You get the idea but both go much more detailed (not that PCM would have to in their hypothetical first year with this) Why (No one word or some word posts): Wouldn't everyone like it if Dimension Data stayed African, if Sky behaved as normal and just focused on power gaming GTs, if Etixx tried to get their cobbles hopes up, if Direct Energie were more aggressive than some others. These wouldn't be drastic changes so a new cobbles or mountains power team could always emerge.
That sound amazing. Really wish they could implement that.
They do have a brief attempt at it you can find in a db editor (can't remember the table) but it's really nothing, even for example Bardiani, which should be 100% Italian according to that table in a default career, does not stay that way for even 1 season.
Would be amazing if they properly implemented it though, nice idea.
Idea: Pro Cyclist Mode - Multiplayer Explanation of idea: Will be great if we can se pro cyclist mode in multiplayer. Maybe not this year but i hope next year something like this concept. 1 player can have only 1 "pro cyclist". Cyclist can be trainable. Player can create team or join in some existed. Maybe first year of implementation all teams will need to finish some cups which will use to ranking teams. After finishing with cups teams will be distributed to World Tour Teams, Pro Continental and Continental teams. Like in single player world tour teams can take part at biggest races, pro continental for less popular, and continental for least popular. I suggest to calendar don't be too big. Maybe calendar can depend of how much teams we have. This is small concept which I described, so if someone from Cyanide Studio is interested in this concept feel free to contact me to explain my idea in more details.
This mode is the newest mode in PCM. Since two years ago Players have the option to create a career with a cyclist. This mode is very exciting.
I want to suggest some features for this mode in PCM 2017.
PROGRESSION:
The Progression in my lowly opinion is too faster. Just in a year you can reach 77 points (maximum is 85) in a stronger stat. In the second year you can reach 80 in the stronger stat.
Due that, I dare to make arrive you some suggestions.
I think that the first year you should can just take part in few Amateur Races (track and road), you need to get the goal to pass to the following level U23. That would depends of the level choose for you (Easy, Medium, High, Extreme). In Example in extreme you need to win a race (Cyanide or track) or for example in easy you need to finish among ten first riders.
Second Year if you can overcame Amateur Category, you can ride U23 races, in beginning you need to stand out in national category to take part in international races, even U23 World Championship. You need to meet the goals to pass to professional category. (it depends of level difficulty of Procylist career). In example win a race, or finish in ten best U23 riders.
If you overcame the goals you can then be a professional. Then you can go to Continental Team and if you overcame goals, next year Continental Pro Team will want to sing you, and if you overcame goals of Continental Pro Team a World Tour Team will want sign you.
*Would be interesting the option that at in the ending season the teams can sign you as Trainee as in Carrer Mode.
I want to propose the following levels in order to unlock take part to races (more progressive than now) :
Level Amateur: Amateur Races Level U23: U23 Races Level 1:1.x Races Level 2 : 2.x Races Level 3: 1HC Races Level 4: 2HC Races Level 5: National Championship, Cadel Evans, Qatar.Abu Dhabi, Omloop, Frankfurt, Turkey, London Classic, EuroEyes, Tour of Guangxi Level 6: Tour Down Under, Strade Bianche, Dwars door Vlaanderen,Tour of California, Tour de Suisse, Pologne, Eneco Tour, GP Québec, Montréal Level 7: Paris–Nice, Tirreno–Adriatico, Volta Catalunya, E3 Harelbeke, Gent–Wevelgem, Amstel Gold Race,Paris-Tours Level 8: Milan–San Remo, Flandes, Romandie, La Flèche Wallonne, Dauphiné, San Sebastian, Lombardia Level 9: Giro, Tour, Vuelta, Paris–Roubaix, Liège–Bastogne–Liège, World Championship Level 10: Tour France
Other Suggestions for Pro Cyclist Mode:
- Training:Raise to level should not just be able due training, you need to have good results. I mean to improve Time Trial stats, you need to take part in TT and have good results or for example to improve stamina and resistance you need to take part in Tours of three weeks,
- Track: Introduce challenges using track in order to improve Sprint, TT….
- Negotiate: Improve negotiate (rol in the team, goals,races where cyclist will take part)
- Goals at the beginning of the season.
- WorkTeam Points: Points for your WorkTeam.in the stages. If you do not follow the instructions of your leader or Director you could be punished, for example the team do not select you for best Races, do not renew your contract or fire you (in extreme situation)
- Chemistry with your Team, Director and Workmates.
- Include interview with Press
- Include levels of difficulty of ProCyclist
- Change initial type of rider: Sprint, Climber, Puncher, wheeler, Cobblestones. Then depends of races that cyclist ride it will defining type of rider in the future.
- The progression stop with 27. The best years are 27-30 can has the best stats, with 30-31 the stat start to low and you maybe need to adapt to new role.
- Another interesting option could be that riders beginning with all stats in 50 and you can distribute for example 20 pts (but you cannot up more than 5 in one stat)
- For more real stats should depends of others. I mean if you want to improve more than 70 in TT, you need to has at least 65 in flat.
EXPORT PRO CYCLIST CAREER
Would be brilliant if will be possible export Pro Cyclsit career to the new PCM with the new features, real races and stages.
First of all thank you very much for your efforts. PCM has reached to be a great game due to your hard work. Year after year has improved the game, now I want to share with you some ideas and suggestions to try to improve PCM 2017. I hope my suggestions can be useful.
Please keep in mind that this is the result of hundreds of hours of gameplay in the last editions of PCM, of watching game-plays from different users and many hours thinking about how to improve my dear Pro Cycling Manager.
let's go
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In my lowly opinion, the most important thing is that every stage, every tour, every day in PCM can become different. I mean that in the same stage, played several times, the experience can be very different, for example if you decide to always attack at the same point or decide to always climb with effort bar instead of following the attacks or start the sprint always in the same point or if you take part a breakaway on all the times that you play the stage. The result of actions can be different, not always the best option is the same decision in the same place. So if you do the same, you receive different results.
For that the game can be more realistic, different. AlI riders should have to their own strategy and take their own actions. For example, a rider may prefer to attack on the first slope, another may prefer not to follow the attacks and climb up to own pace, another example, a sprinter may prefer to start his sprint faraway, other one maybe prefer to wait until last km to start the sprint. Moreover riders' decisions and the director day planning, depend of the overall standing and stage kind. I mean is not the same a stage with 5 ports as a stage just with a port at the final of the stage. Then is a different situation , therefore a different strategy if rider is the 3er or if the rider has lost 20 minutes in GC. i hope my explanation could be clarify for you.
IA in the last edition has been improving a lot, now the riders are more intelligent and they do not attack in all the stages and they are thinking in Overall Standing, saving energy for future stages and they are more carefully to arrive at the finish line with energy. In PCM 2015 was enough climbing in a good rhythm without follow the attacks to overcame the rest of riders when they were without energy and died, two or three km before the arrive. Congratulations for this,team, it is a huge achieve.
Some things to improve IA is as follows:
- Colocation: Favorites or best riders sometimes start the incline or sprint very bad set up in the peloton and they waste a lot of energy trying to be in a correct place
- TeamWork: some teams strategies are missing, for example send into breakaway to a rider in order to help the leader later. when leader will attack later ,pulling him to get time to rivals (like Chaves or Aru did in La Vuelta) or double attack, two riders at the same time(or try to provoke cut in the peloton when there are strong wind.
- A very typical IA error is celebrate a victory too quickly and another rider pass him in the sprint.
- Sometimes if you are not between favourites of the day, when you start the sprint others cyclist react too late, the same happens sometimes when you attack 5 or 10 km to arrive.
- On the sprints you can block the IA set up in his trajectory and they stopped suddenly his speed and you do not provoke a fall or are punished by organization for dirty sprint (as Modolo in the last Giro or Zakarin in Romandie for example).
- Who are relaying? is very important because sometimes you can see 1st in GC or mountain jersery, point jersey, young jersey, pulling or a sprinter relaying in a flat stage (waste energy for sprint). Squads should manage it better.
- Sometimes it happens that a rider (I have seen Alaphilippe and Matthews) pulling in the group for his sprinters (Gaviria and Ewan) for his sprinters but them is in another group, because they are not overcomes the port, so they are working for other riders. Please check it.
- When cyclists have a good day (+3 or better) maybe if the cyclist is not a Top, them will be confident and try to take part in a Breakaway to win the stage. Directors if a important guide of their team is in a good day, maybe put to others riders to work in other to try win the stage or up in GC with their cyclist.
Breakaways
Breakaways has been improving in PCM 2016, now is more realist, however sometimes you can see in the breakaway at the same riders day by day, instead of try to save energy (when yesterday they took part in breakaway )in order to try to attack another day with more energy and more possibility to fight to win the stage. Another thing is the time that the pack permit to the breakaway. Just I finished a Giro (in my career) and in two stages the winner advantage was more than 10 minutes and in another one 56’ Please check this problem.
Regarding Breakways the system is better, but you can cheat IA, you just put effort to relay but when you are in the second position you go to water o put hold position and you go back again and for the machine you are collaborating but really you do not are facing to the wind never and you can save more energy that your breakaway colleagues.
Relays
If in a breakaway there is a popular rider or a favourite for the stage, the rest of riders should are watching to him, of course in groups riders will relay if they can get advantage (fight for stage or get some time against rivals) usually they will leave responsibility of the group to the favourite one or better in GC. If in a breakaway there are more than one rider of the same team, the rest give tothe cyclist of this team more work than to rest of breakaway members.
Would be more interesting option that you can ask for relays to others riders even if you can contact to others directors to ask them to pull of Peloton and vice versa.
*A usual trick of players is put a rider in the breakaway in order to avoid put riders to work to catch breakaway. IA should learn about this tactic.
GIRO, TOUR, VUELTA
Now races of three weeks are more realistic. In my opinion should be more differences between this races and another ones. i mean you should feel (many more on the Tour) that the rhythm is different an other races. Breakaways should have better riders, win should be more difficult because all the teams want win a race, get a good position for a sprint or to start the last port of the day should be not too easy as now, because all the teams wants to set up in the best position their leaders or sprinters. Of course if a rider has as goal win a stage maybe he should try to save energy in mountain stages to attack other day with more energy and maybe the teams change strategy if the leader lost more time in GC and try to save energy to attack when he is feeling better in other stages. In general Races are now more real, for example time difference between winner to 10rd in Time-Trial and also in overall standings at the end of Tour, Giro, Vuelta is very similar to real results. Just maybe difference in finish line in walls is necessary to re-check to be the times more real.
The last stage of Grand tours should be a party day, there should be no attacks until cyclists have completed the first tour of the circuit. I missing the typical images with champagne with maillots winners or yellow jersey with his workmates. I think cycling supporters will appreciate if this is included in PCM 2017. Usually in the last stage is the same time for all the riders.I missing that the winner and teammates do not celebrating the victory.
Also Queen Stage (the best stage of the race) must be more fought than others stages because it is more prestigious and all riders want to win there. I like very much the idea of the Giro that score the stages 1-5 depends of difficulty of the stage. For Example a flat stage is one and Queen Stage is 5.
TIME-OUT
Time out of stages I think should depend of average speed of the winner. It’s would very good that if you can see to know if your riders need to speed up in order to not be eliminated of the race (of course IA riders should know it too).
Another issue that maybe do double check is 3 km protection for falls. For example in the Giro that I have finished, in the stage 17 the pack arrived 56 minutes after the winner. The pack has been not eliminated, because if not the race continues with just 7 riders. But in the last km had a fall and Aru (2nd in overall) and blue jersey have been fallen with other 30 riders and they were removed of the race. I think is necessary a protection for falls in the last km as real races. Of course is making sense that the stage before a High Mountain or after three hard stages bunch (specially leader’s colleagues need a calm stage because they need a rest).
FALLS
The falls is part of the cycling. But sometimes falls seem a little random.
A lot of falls is caused for nervously of the pack (in real races). I mean for example mostly falls happens in the first week in Grand Tours (Vuelta, Giro, Tour) and mainly in the French Race. It is because in that races the rhythm is faster than in other Races and the fight for the position is biggest. Strongest moves and the contacts with the other riders cause falls.
The descents is when the riders falls a lot in the real races.In the game there are falls in ascents that is very unreal. I think is important that falls depends of the difficult of the descent and the speed. For example if you descending with 90 effort in a descent very difficult and is raining you are in a danger of fall. Of course if the rider is good in descents must manage better the bike, therefore the lowest stats riders must assuming more risk than the better riders in descending to get the same speed.
Another maybe improvement would be when a falls happens, after a moment's you should see in what grade the rider is damage for example in a scale 1-10.
Of course this year I note the important of the weather in falls. This is a very good point.
With this elements I think that could be more realist!
Mechanicals issues with bikes and punctures would add a strategy interesting issue, because if you have a Colleague near can take his bike if you do not have a workmate near, you need to wait to the assistant car.
Injuries and Illness when a rider is not feeling well it should subtract stats. Now you can win a stage with a ill rider. Maybe the system can tell you in which grade the rider is damage for example in a scale 1-10
Mountain Points Sprints
Usually when riders are in a breakaway and a climb, they always are attacking when 3 km left to the summit
I think this make not sense. The rides waste a lot of energy when they don't want escape of the colleagues of the group, just want to sprint for mountain points. And of course as it is an attack, the speed of the game is stopping (it becomes to be very weary). Maybe the way to resolve it is that the users can sprint as point jersey.
Riders with a lap lost
When a stage or race go by urban circuit, riders with a lap lost disturb the riders that are fighting for the victory. There are a lot of inconveniences:
- They block to riders in the lead group in a sprint o during attack
- Is not possible for player to differentiate between lapped riders and the riders of lead group
This is very disappointing for players.
Please see the video below to understand it (see 25:15)
Honestly just occurs to me two solutions:
-Eliminate riders with a lap lost
- Seeing with a lap lost riders in a way that could be easy to know which riders are with a lap lost riders and which ones is taking part of the lead group.
PICK TIME IN THE FINISH LINE
Many times happens in the game doesn't works properly when the game pick up time or when no.
In the flat stages usually, although a rider arrive in a breakaway with clear distance with the main group the game give the same time. However in the mountain stages the game pick up time even when you arrive clear in the main group.
Please see the image attached to see the differences. In flat stage Contador is the same time than main group and in the mountain Contador lost 30” to pocket.
Maybe this is the stage type that clearest could be improved. In individuals time-trial you are feeling that you cannot take part of the strategy, just you need to watch the energy to hold with until the finish line (Team Time-Trial you can take more decisions).
A good point maybe could be that you are able to select which pinions and gears you set up in your bike for Time-Trial and you can select the gear in each area of the stage. You with it you will be able to select smallest to save energy or highest one to go faster or medium one to as Intermediate option. Another thing that I think could be great is the option to change the bike in TT Mountain you can use a aerodynamic bike for flat area and change to a lighter bike for climbing area. You lost time in the change but maybe in the finish line you can recover the time lost.
IA in TT usually in the first part of TT stage go full effort and the final part they are broken because they do not handle his energy correctly so usually your rider lost time in the first part, but you can take in 10 km even 2 minutes because IA is dead in last kilometres. Other issue is no all the riders should fight fullest the stage, for example sprinter, domestiques and non Time-trial specialists maybe prefer to save energy to fight future stages.
Also will be great if in TT you have information regarding incline percentage and see full classification of all time point controls (now you can see just best 20)-
GRAPHICS, COMMENTS, ADVICES
Graphics has been improving a lot last editions, it comes in the correct way, just maybe sometimes camera angles is not very optimized and you can see the cars run over cyclists or cyclists pass over fans…
Logos, sponsors, fences and podiums custom, in Great Races should more realist. For example in the final podium you it would see maillots winners together, all riders of the best team together in the podium or best three classifieds in GC (as Tour, Giro, Vuelta) with Milan, París and Madrid at background would be very cool. Real trophies and medals for top three in Olympics and World Championship. This could make different each podiums.
Also if you logo of the race that you are in. It will be very smart.
This year you are not able to see the podium if you see the replay of the stage (just can select view results or save the reply) please keep in mind it for PCM 2016
Comments and music is not the best of the game thi is clear, there is a long range of possibilities to improve this aspect and add more languages in comments will be very appreciate for PCM fans.
Finally a advice could b improve game experience. It occurs to me that would be great if when happens something important in the race, you can see the event in a little area of the screen (sprints, attacks, falls...)
And please in the comments try to pay special attention to favourites to win stage, to win race and top 10 in GC ( is not necessary for example advice if Igor Anton cannot follow the rhythm of the pack).
NOTE: I think will be cool If in last 10 km (in example) the system remember favourites for the stage in the screen.
This is all for the moment I will write more suggestion for Career and Pro Cyclist modes. Thank you for your attention and read my suggestions. I know that the text very large but is the process of a lot of hours thinking how I can apport my ideas in order to do better my favourite game.
Thank you very much for making enjoy a lot of people! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :ugeek: :ugeek:
First of all thank you very much for your efforts. PCM has reached to be a great game due to your hard work. Year after year has improved the game, now I want to share with you some ideas and suggestions to try to improve PCM 2017. I hope my suggestions can be useful.
Please keep in mind that this is the result of hundreds of hours of gameplay in the last editions of PCM, of watching game-plays from different users and many hours thinking about how to improve my dear Pro Cycling Manager.
Let’s go with my career suggestions
Inscriptions:
The riders inscriptions is usually so strange for example top riders usually do not appears in WT, they usually go to “little races” to get fit. For example Contador used to go to Algarve, Froom to Herald Sun Tour (Australia) and other USA races, Quintana to Tour de San Luis and Vuelta Andalucia, Valverde to Mallorca….
Teams is the same, is not very realist. In my career just three teams applied for Vuelta's wildcards, however 8 teams applied for Pologne Tour Wildcards, that is very unrealistic. In fact Caja Rural, whose mainly objective in season is La Vuelta did not apply for Vuelta's Wildcard. That is very extrange. Usually Giro give three wild cards to italian teams and other one to foreign team (CCC and Gazprom last years). Tour is similar (Cofidis and Direct Energie use to be invited), and La Vuelta Cofidis and Caja Rural usually take part and other years Bora, Direct E.,Orica, Colombia… A solution could be based on real calendar 2017 and last year of teams and riders scheldure.
Also is important that riders has inscribed depends of Race profile. For example Giro is very important for italians, colombians, climbers, sprinters, one day riders (like Brambilla, Ulissi),young promess (Jungels, Chaves, Zakarin…) Tour the best riders in the world and Vuelta is for climbers, good in walls, hills, TT preparing World Championship and riders that can get a good fitness for World Championship.
Of course IA top riders should fix his goals at beginning of year. For example Sagan usually go full of fitness to cobblestone races and Tour, Quintana Tour and Vuelta Froome Tour and go to Vuelta as secondary goal, Tony Martin to TT World Championship etc Sometimes you see top riders take part in Tour in bad fitness. This race is the most important event in the year.
TRADES:
- Team should respect their identity, focus in rider type by country and if the team is focus on GC or win stages and classics. For example Movistar will try to sign on climbers, Tours riders, TT Spain and South America as priority, Quick Step try to sign on cobblestone, Ardennes, Sprinters, TT of Center Europe, Katusha East Europe…
- Wait to close the mainly trades, usually in the Vuelta a World Championship team close their teams to new year.
-Top cyclist can ask the new team to sign on his squires to move. For example Nibali (Agnoli,his brother), Contador (Jesus Hernandez), Quintana (Anacona), Cavendish (Renshaw), Sagan (Baška, Bodnar, Juraj Sagan) …
- Riders keep in mind the category of the team for next year. For example if you are Pro Cycling category but you are first in Standings, the cyclist think that you will be a World Tour Team next year.
-Cyclist be aware Will take into account the role that offers the team that makes the offer and how many brokers of his specialty are in the team. If a great runner will also take into account the quality of the domestiques.
- Be able to find a sponsor or ask more money to your currently sponsor to sign on a start.
- Sign on young riders for development team
- Interrupt simulation if you have news regarding trades and have at least a week to decide.
CALENDAR, TRAINING AND CONCENTRATIONS
- Option to select your leaders (max 8) and assign to free some riders, they are not a leader, therefore they do not have servants but they have not fo the same calendar of leaders.
- Option to change fitness schedule of all riders
- Pre-assign riders to races easiest as now
- Indicate in screen to select riders, if for some rider this races is one of his favourites and if is an objective of some rider and team or sponsor objective.
- Up stats due to training and concentrations should be more progressive, not as quickly as now. IA Teams can use this.
- Up stats depends not just with training, it should be a mix with stages that you take part. For example to up stats in Time-Trial you need to training TT and take part in TT stages. If cyclist have good results in this stage you will be more options to improve rider stats.
- Select type of training can improve somes stats, but maybe you can lost some others stats.
FEELING RIDERS AND SPONSORS
Is necessary change sponsors and riders feelings and goals.
- Sponsors: Targets usually is unrealistic. Sponsors do not keep in mind category, Team Features, riders etc
- Riders feelings is not working properly. For example riders are feeling sad for their schedule even when they just took part in a Grand Tour (Tour, Giro, Vuelta).
- Riders do not keep in mind the category and team feature. For example a rider in a Continental Tour ask to take part in a World Tour Race or rider ask to take part of Tour when his Team is not invited to the race.
NEWSPAPER AND NEWS
- Newspaper before stages or races is a very good idea. However usually interviews is very crazy. For example Kristoff said that he will try to win the Tour (very crazy).
- Newspapers after stage/race just inform who win the this day. But sometimes is more important another incidents for example if there is a new leader, or if a one of the favourite suffered a fall.
RACES
- Add Olympics and World Championship Team TT in PCM 2017
- Real dates and names of races (this year tour Pologne and Eneco Tour was wrongly).
- Real jerseys and rules (In example Tour France mountain points or Vuelta España do not
has best younger maillot).
- Pre-selection in Tour-Vuelta-Giro (usually Teams need enroll 12 riders and then select 9 for final list). like in World Cup.
Teams TT the winner of the stage if the Team not a rider.
- National and World Championships: - National and World Championships: There are some errors with National Championships.
- TT and Line Race should be in the same City.
- Remove Teams Classification
- Remove Bonus in the Races (it not make sense).
INTERFACE AND GENERAL QUESTIONS
- The Possibility of sign on assistant to take over of for example finances, training, equipment, staff. In order Players can deal just to task that they want
- More options for scouts, in the past you can send them to regions to search young riders.
- In Result, be able to search for category and country of the races in order to do it fast, now is very cumbersome.
- Reduce time waiting charging 3D Gameplay.
- Filter emails, Now you receive a lot of unuseful notifications (it is annoying).In PCM 20017 will be wondeful, receive not news of all races in the world. I think with World Tour races, and races of the country of your team is enough (always you can go to search the information of a race in results). Another thing is news regarding when riders make his debut in the season or their position in World Tour Classification. I think with an resume email with this, once at month is enough. Or maybe, other option is that players will be able to filter which information they want to receive and in which period.
- Sponsors: Is not very clear, you receive an email with an offer but when you go to search it, is missing. Is necessary a screen to negotiate with sponsor easier.
- Bugs: Please check bugs, usually in Carrer mode there are a lot crashes. Please do double check before launch the game.
-Tips: when you are waiting for 3D race is a very good idea. If it could be in a bigger font, It would be brilliant.
- Make sure that once you unlocked a Objective, “Objective Unlocked” message shouldn’t show anymore. In PCM 2016 there wasa lot of errors with it. For example you can see “Yelow Jersey objective unlocked” when you do not lead GC in Tour (just you won a stage). Please check it.
- Include more classifications in Standings. For example: Sprints won by a cyclist, best cyclist in classics, best cyclist in Cobblestones, Stages victories in Races (Stage Races), Victories in Time-Trials (more of this standings will be include in UCI Classifications in 2017).
SIMULATION
I miss more options in simulation, in example, the player be able to decide who go to bidons (water), be able to decide who will take part of sprint treno, in which order or which will in charge of protect the leader, who will relay in climbs or flat. If you want allow the breakaway or if you want to increase the pace in ports, if a rider need to save energies… Definitely more options (even play just last 10 km).
CUSTOM TEAM
One of the options most used by PCM players is start a new Career with a Custom Team, they choice them prefered cyclists. I want to explain an idea that I have about how to go in depth and progress with this mode.
User will be three choices when they select Custom Team:
-Team Category: World Tour, Continental Pro, Continental, U23.
- Difficulty: High, Medium or Low. Depends of this selection the user should more or less budget and the riders would reject your offer.
- Team objectives: General Stages Races, North Classics, Ardennes, Sprints, TT, World Championship. Best Team in WT...
For example, in continental high level you do not be able to sign riders whose current Team is Continental Pro (in Continental Pro High, you do not be able to sign World Tour riders). Also riders reject your offer for the followings reasons:
Budget (if you do not have sufficient money to sign him)
Team Category: Continental, Continental Pro, WT, U23.
Roster. Top riders would be sure that they will have appropriate mates to achieve his goals.
Team objectives. A Top sprinter will reject offers of a Custom Teams whose goals are win stages races.
Is very important that you cannot take a lot of riders of the same teams or all the leaders of one team in order to not decompensate too much the team.
I hope this suggestion be useful for you.
EXPORT CAREER
A lot of users play a session with real Roster Teams and Profile Races in PCM 2016 but when a new PCM arrives they are not able to follow his Career in new PCM. Would be brilliant if will be possible export the career to the new PCM with the new features, real races and stages, and new stats.
and that somehow they could involve an automatic results save (for story writers obviously) 
