Bear in mind as well, that a GT contender without a half decent TT skill is a big Achilles heel in their armoury. and so irl most undergo training improvements in that skill. Nearly all the main GT contenders can TT well anyway Froome, Nibali, Contador, Porte, Valverde etc Even riders like Quintana and Aru who not so long ago couldn't TT that well are easily worth their lower 70s' TT stats, it's only Purito that can't TT and a few others that struggle.

but I really do feel it would be a big mistake to start putting some of the GT contenders with late 60's TT stats and then just relying on motivation to get them a good result.

At the end of the day a GT rider with a decent TT stat vs a TT specialist should be the ones contesting a TT in a GT TT which is what happens irl as the situation is not loaded in favour of either. In general a GT rider should do better over a hillier course and a TT specialist over a flatter one.

Also I wouldn't look at a top 10 but more a top 20 to get the overall picture for TT's but personally speaking from my own results, I don't get the one-sided outcome as you've been getting in favour of GT riders but a bit more of a mix.

Also some TT specialists can be very inconsistent and just choose their TT's to do well in like Castroviejo etc. In fact I've actually had more people suggesting that we put down certain TT stats for TT specialists than GT contenders, because of their inconsistency in TTs, much more so that people suggesting that the GT contenders are too high.

matt17br wrote:
Recovery never has had that big of an impact in 3d mode, definitely had a heavier one in Simulation. Endurance only works past the 190 kms mark, but really you only feel it after the 205-210 kms mark. Resistance in PCM 16 affects how quick the red bar runs out.

matt17br wrote:
Because he's too op in game. His hill, and the rest of his backups - especially resistance and endurance - make him better than he really is if put on 80 mountain, we have explained that earlier

Baroudeur attribute almost doesn't count for shit in game

So it is still possible to Valverde do a top 3 in game in a GT?

I realized the resistance stat of the best GC riders has been decreased. Is this for for they have worse results on one day classics(with some exceptions like Valverde)?

Also I am the only one noticing strange results in carrer mode, when the race is simulated(in this case the team I created was Pro Continental and did not participated in many races WT), like Rui Costa winning the Tour to Froome, Oliver Naesen LBL, Michael Rodgers La Fleche Wallone, and much many others that don't make any sense. And that seens to only happen if I not play as 3D. So the simulation engine seens crap.

And sorry for asking many questions. It's not only for curiosity, but mainly, to clearfy some notions about stats, in order to contribute better.

I certainly wouldn't say we're producing any inflation in such a hard stat to keep updating like TT is, GC guys don't get 1 point more than what they deserve. If they have a stat over 70, that's because they've had a result - in a race they were aiming to win/top 5/top 10 - that makes them deserve it

I guess you mean results like the placements of Quintana and Yates at the Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco where they ended up second and fourth in the TT. But this was basically a mountain time trial with a decend and a very short flat part. Even Rodriguez ended up 9th. You will still get this results in PCM Yates having 67 TT because in these TT's the mountain stat is most important (like I already said I tested it using this DB with edited TT stats)

I'm just wondering, when a stat is not working right or used to compensate for a bug in a certain PCM edition, is that stat's matrix then completely redone when stats are carried over to the next PCM?

I certainly wasn't aiming to that one... Percentages over 5% in TTs don't even use the TT stat. Just look at Quintana's TT results this year and tell me he doesn't deserve what he has now, though. Same for Yates, no way he deserves less than 67.

matt17br wrote:
That's very possible though? https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/T...age_13_ITT

This is the TT we're talking about. Well cool, considering Quintana had an off day, 4 points less than Froome in TT, 2 RES points less and 1 hill point less, and the TT was almost 40 kilometers long, that's entirely possible. Yet, we don't want it to happen for a simple reason: Quintana isn't always that bad, Froome isn't always that good in TTs.

When it comes to TT, riders in game can lose huge amounts of time as they do in real life, Now we can't put too many GT riders on very low TT stats as it could be a game killer in a GT, especially if there is a long TT before the mtn stages. By giving some GT riders a half decent TT stat it keeps them within reasonable distance from the race leader which therefore means the game AI will keep them motivated for the mtn stages rather than just disappearing if they are so far behind, so for example somebody like Bardet if on form could be in the hunt when it comes to the final week of the Tour rather than being way down in the 20-30 positions because he lost so much time in the TT. A lot of the time we do make decisions based on the limitations of the AI in order to try and take better gameplay into consideration.

Also as for Quintana you really can't take his TT into consideration as his whole Tour performance was well below par anyway.

jpgm97 wrote:
I dont quitly understand why the downgrade of Valverde moutains to 79. I mean, I think he is in the best moment of his carrer, and he is participating on his third GT of the year, all the 3 in great shape. I see riders like Majka and Van Garderen having 80 moutains, and even thought Valverde has very good backup stats. I think he doesn't deserve the downgrade.