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| denismenchov08 |
Posted on 01-08-2016 00:20
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CSC - Saxo Bank - Tinkoff
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| udoi |
Posted on 01-08-2016 13:37
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Van Looy and gaul who will compete with teams? |
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| udoi |
Posted on 01-08-2016 13:37
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And roger DeVlaeminck... |
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 01-08-2016 14:27
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Is voting still open? If so:
La Vie Claire (can't not have Hinault there)
La Française
CSC
Automoto
Astana
Great work with the jerseys so far! 
"What done is, is one." - Benji Naesen
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| denismenchov08 |
Posted on 01-08-2016 17:27
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trekbmc wrote:
Is voting still open? If so:
La Vie Claire (can't not have Hinault there)
La Française
CSC
Automoto
Astana
Great work with the jerseys so far!
Yes but from now on it is ended. |
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| denismenchov08 |
Posted on 01-08-2016 18:01
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Results of the survey :
1) CSC - Saxo Bank - Tinkoff
2) Telekom - T-Mobile - High Road
3) Astana - Liberty Seguros - Würth
3) Toshiba - La Vie Claire
5) Renault
5) US Postal
So there are ex aequo. Meanwhile I had decided to move the Carrera - Mercatone Uno team to the second division, so it's good, the six teams mentioned above are included in the first division!
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Posted on 22-11-2024 00:56
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 02-08-2016 10:11
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Cool to see your project being updated for PCM16, i will look forward to it. I just hope stats wont be inflated, with many 84-85s in stats everywhere, that is sometimes problem with these all-time databases. Good luck and thanks for doing this for community!
Also udoi, dont be childish...
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| udoi |
Posted on 04-08-2016 02:38
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I think there are yet many gaps and travel teams but (see banesto, Caisse d'Epargne, movistar) have not maintained the same mark. One example put Roger DeVlaeminck with Sanson-Filotex with whom he has competed only one year does not make sense to put it better with Flandria a team, a brand that is something that has endured over the years. However everything is subjective.
And then put Carrera with Mercatone Uno and Mapei with Etixx ...
Then I explain to me why I would be childish.
Because I express my opinions,
Edited by udoi on 04-08-2016 02:56
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| udoi |
Posted on 04-08-2016 03:03
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Two jerseys:
Jersey Automoto:
Jersey Alcyon:
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| udoi |
Posted on 04-08-2016 03:12
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Nencini Gastone has never run for Sanson or Filotex the only team where it could be is the Legnano.
However everything is subjective. |
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| denismenchov08 |
Posted on 04-08-2016 11:50
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New survey : Choose your national, world and Olympic champions !
 Olympic champion :
Spoiler -- Road
Alexandre Vinokourov
Paolo Bettini
Sergueï Soukhoroutchenkov
Fabio Casartelli
Hennie Kuiper
Ercole Baldini
-- ITT
Miguel Indurain
Viatcheslav Ekimov
Fabian Cancellara
Bradley Wiggins
 World champion :
Spoiler -- Road
Paolo Bettini
Óscar Freire
Gianni Bugno
Freddy Maertens
Eddy Merckx
Rik Van Looy
Rik Van Steenbergen
Briek Schotte
Alfredo Binda
-- ITT
Antonin Magne
Jacques Anquetil
Bernard Hinault
Tony Rominger
Chris Boardman
Michael Rogers
Tony Martin
Fabian Cancellara
 Switzerland :
Spoiler -- Road
Henri Suter
Ferdi Kübler
Hugo Koblet
Pascal Richard
Oscar Camenzind
Fabian Cancellara
-- ITT
Fabian Cancellara :lol:
 Germany :
Spoiler -- Road
Hans Junkermann
Rudi Altig
Dietrich Thurau
Jan Ullrich
Erik Zabel
André Greipel
-- ITT
Uwe Peschel
Michael Rich
Bert Grabsch
Tony Martin
 Spain :
Spoiler -- Road
Federico Bahamontes
Julio Jiménez
Luis Ocaña
Miguel Indurain
Abraham Olano
José MarÃa Jiménez
Alejandro Valverde
-- ITT
Abraham Olano
Luis León Sánchez
Alejandro Valverde
Alberto Contador
Santos González
 France :
Spoiler -- Road
Octave Lapize
Louison Bobet
André Darrigade
Jean Stablinski
Raymond Poulidor
Bernard Hinault
Laurent Fignon
Laurent Jalabert
Thomas Voeckler
-- ITT
Thierry Marie
Sylvain Chavanel
 Great Britain :
Spoiler -- Road
Tom Simpson
Barry Hoban
Robert Millar
Mark Cavendish
Geraint Thomas
David Millar
Bradley Wiggins
-- ITT
Bradley Wiggins
David Millar
 Italy :
Spoiler -- Road
Costante Girardengo
Alfredo Binda
Learco Guerra
Gino Bartali
Fausto Coppi
Felice Gimondi
Francesco Moser
Gianni Bugno
Mario Cipollini
Paolo Bettini
Vincenzo Nibali
-- ITT
Marco Velo
Massimiliano Lelli
 Luxembourg :
Spoiler -- Road
Nicolas Frantz
Charly Gaul
Kim Kirchen
Andy Schleck
Fränk Schleck
-- ITT
Andy Schleck
Kim Kirchen
 Netherlands :
Spoiler -- Road
Wim van Est
Peter Post
Joop Zoetemelk
Hennie Kuiper
Jan Raas
Adrie van der Poel
Steven Rooks
Michael Boogerd
Erik Dekker
-- ITT
Erik Breukink
Erik Dekker
Lars Boom
 Poland :
Spoiler -- Road
Lech Piasecki
Zenon Jaskuła
Rafał Majka
Michał Kwiatkowski
-- ITT
Lech Piasecki
Zenon Jaskuła
Michał Kwiatkowski
 Portugal :
Spoiler -- Road
Joaquim Agostinho
Rui Costa
-- ITT
José Azevedo
Sérgio Paulinho
Rui Costa
 Russia :
Spoiler -- Road
Dimitri Konyshev
Viatcheslav Ekimov
Sergueï Ivanov
Aleksandr Kolobnev
-- ITT
Evgueni Berzin
Denis Menchov 8)
 Australia :
Spoiler -- Road
Robbie McEwen
Stuart O’Grady
Simon Gerrans
-- ITT
Michael Rogers
Richie Porte
 Colombia :
Spoiler -- Road
Fabio Parra
Félix Cárdenas
-- ITT
Santiago Botero
Rigoberto Urán
 USA :
Spoiler -- Road
Lance Armstrong
George Hincapie
Levi Leipheimer
Tyler Hamilton
-- ITT
Levi Leipheimer
David Zabriskie
How to answer the survey :
Competition : road champion & ITT champion
Spoiler Olympic: &
World: &
Switzerland: &
Germany: &
Spain: &
France: &
Great Britain: &
Italy: &
Luxembourg: &
Netherlands: &
Poland: &
Portugal: &
Russia: &
Australia: &
Colombia: &
USA: & |
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| denismenchov08 |
Posted on 04-08-2016 12:03
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udoi wrote:
I think there are yet many gaps and travel teams but (see banesto, Caisse d'Epargne, movistar) have not maintained the same mark. One example put Roger DeVlaeminck with Sanson-Filotex with whom he has competed only one year does not make sense to put it better with Flandria a team, a brand that is something that has endured over the years. However everything is subjective.
And then put Carrera with Mercatone Uno and Mapei with Etixx ...
Then I explain to me why I would be childish.
Because I express my opinions,
Thanks to express yourself. Of course old teams like Bianchi or Alcyon didn't change their sponsor because the economical part of cycling was not as important as today. BUT you can't say Reynolds, Banesto and Movistar are different teams, the structure is actually the same.
Roger De Vlaeminck made the biggest part of his career in Brooklyn, a team build around him, and I can't put a team in my DB only for one rider (even look at Toshiba La Vie Claire where there is LeMond and Hinault) and it's not true De Vlaeminck made nothng in Filotex Sanson, he won Milan San Remo and made 2nd of Paris-Roubaix behind his teammate Francesco Moser. I had to make choices and put De Vlaeminck in Flandria with some other big riders like Van Looy would be unfair for the players.
Gastone Nencini was in small teams during his main career, and belonged to Legnano in his early career, and at the end in Filotex in 1965.
Carrera and Mercatone Uno are the same structure too, build around Marco Pantani. For Mapei and Etixx Quick Step, of course some riders of Mapei went to Lotto in 2002 (I'm not sur of the date) but also some other went to Quick Step like Bettini, Museeuw, and the manager Patrick Lefevere. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 04-08-2016 12:22
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Olympic: Paolo Bettini & Fabian Cancellara
World: Óscar Freire & Chris Boardman
I wont pretend to have an opinion on the national champions.
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| matt17br |
Posted on 04-08-2016 18:23
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Olympic: Bettini; Indurain
World: Merckx; Boardman
Italy: Binda; Velo
France: Hinault; Chavanel
Spain: Valverde; Olano
Great Britain: Cavendish; Wiggins
Germany: Zabel; Martin
USA: Armstrong; Zabriskie
Australia: McEwen; Rogers
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 04-08-2016 18:41
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Olympic: Hennie Kuiper & Fabian Cancellara
World: (Ferdi Kübler?  ) Freddy Maertens & Jacques Anquetil
Switzerland: Ferdi Kübler & (Hugo Koblet ) Fabian Cancellara
Germany: Erik Zabel & Tony Martin
Spain: Federico Bahamontes & Luis León Sánchez
France: Thomas Voeckler & Sylvain Chavenal
Great Britain: Tom Simpson & Bradley Wiggins
Italy: Alfredo Binda & Marco Velo
Luxembourg: Charlie Gaul & Kim Kirchen (just not Schleck  )
Netherlands: Hennie Kuiper & Don't mind
Australia: Robbie Mcewan & Richie Porte
Colombia: Fabio Parra & Santiago Botero
USA: Lance Armstrong & David Zabriskie
And nobody for Belgium?
"What done is, is one." - Benji Naesen
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| udoi |
Posted on 04-08-2016 19:32
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National Champion Road Race
Here's my list:
 Costante Girardengo (Bianchi) - 9 titles
 Fred Rodriguez (Mapei) - 4 titles
 Tom Steels (Mapei) - 4 titles
 Jean Stablinski (St.Raphael) - 4 victories
 Jorinus van der Wiel (independent) - 5 titles.That I know really very little .....
 Mariano Canardo Lacasta (independent) - 4 titles
 Ron Coe (independent) - 3 titles
 Reynel Montoya (Cafè de Colombia) - 3 vittorie
 Hubert "Oppy" Opperman (Malvern Star) - 4 victories
 Heiri Suter (Dilecta) and Ferdi Kubler (Peugeot) - 5 titles
 Hannes Junkermann (Faema) and Gregor Braun + Winfried Boelke + Bolts+Wegmann+Greipel +another with 3 titles
 12 titles N.Frantz (Alcyon)
 Nicky Sorensen (CSC) - 4 victories
 K.A.Arvesen (CSC) - 5 victories
 unknown Czeslaw Lukaszewicz - 4 titles
 Gordon McCauley (Drapac) - 5 titles
 Ryszard Szurkowski (independent) - 5 victories
 Joaquim Agostinho (Flandria)- 6 titles
 S.Ivanov (Alfa Lum)- 6 titles
 Peter Sagan (cannondale-garmin)- 4 victories
 Jaan Kirsipuu (ag2r)- 5 titles
 Aleksejs Saramotinis - 6 titles
 A.Mizourov (Astana) - 3 titles
 M.Brammeier (champion)- 4 victories
 Tomas Vaitkus - 3 titles
 Georg Totsching (Telekom)- 2 titles
 Leonardo Sierra (Carrera)- 3 titles
WC...Eddy Merckx 3 pro+1 amateurs or Binda, Freire and Van Steenbergen.
Edited by udoi on 15-08-2016 21:15
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| denismenchov08 |
Posted on 04-08-2016 23:01
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Spoiler udoi wrote:
National Champion Road Race
Here's my list:
 Costante Girardengo (Bianchi) - 9 titles
Fred Rodriguez (Mapei) - 4 titles
Tom Steels (Mapei) - 4 titles
Jean Stablinski (St.Raphael) - 4 victories
Jorinus van der Wiel (independent) - 5 titles.That I know really very little .....
Mariano Canardo Lacasta (independent) - 4 titles
Ron Coe (independent) - 3 titles
Reynel Montoya (Cafè de Colombia) - 3 vittorie
Hubert "Oppy" Opperman (Malvern Star) - 4 victories
Heiri Suter (Dilecta) and Ferdi Kubler (Peugeot) - 5 titles
Hannes Junkermann (Faema) and Gregor Braun + Winfried Boelke + Bolts+Wegmann+Greipel +another with 3 titles
12 titles N.Frantz (Alcyon)
Nicky Sorensen (CSC) - 4 victories
K.A.Arvesen (CSC) - 5 victories
unknown Czeslaw Lukaszewicz - 4 titles
Gordon McCauley (Drapac) - 5 titles
Ryszard Szurkowski (independent) - 5 victories
Joaquim Agostinho (Flandria)- 6 titles
S.Ivanov (Astana)- 6 titles
Peter Sagan (cannondale-garmin)- 4 victories
Jaan Kirsipuu (ag2r)- 5 titles
Aleksejs Saramotinis - 6 titles
A.Mizourov (Astana) - 3 titles
M.Brammeier (champion)- 4 victories
Tomas Vaitkus - 3 titles
Georg Totsching (Telekom)- 2 titles
Leonardo Sierra (Carrera)- 3 titles
WC...Eddy Merckx 3 pro+1 amateurs or Binda, Freire and Van Steenbergen.
Thank you for this list but in case you would not have understood, I propose riders and you have to choice in the options. I know you maid a historical database, it's not a reason to spam my thread and never answer the right things. Please stop doing that or do it on your own topic. |
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| denismenchov08 |
Posted on 04-08-2016 23:02
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I've forgotten Belgium... I'll ask for it after so that nobody gets lost in the survey.
trekbmc wrote:
World: ( Ferdi Kübler? ) Freddy Maertens & Jacques Anquetil
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My criterion for the world champion proposals was that the riders had to have won minimum 2 WC, and I'm a big fan of Ferdi Kübler but he doesn't respect this criterion. But as a switzerland champion he'll be great also.
Edited by denismenchov08 on 04-08-2016 23:09
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| denismenchov08 |
Posted on 10-08-2016 14:47
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END OF VOTING FOR WORLD AND NATIONAL CHAMPIONS |
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| denismenchov08 |
Posted on 11-08-2016 00:00
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Euskaltel - Euskadi
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