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Tour de France 2016 :..: Stage 12: Montpellier - Chalet Reynard
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 14-07-2016 22:03
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TheManxMissile wrote:
2) I'm slightly confused why people are pissed? Or rather, are people pissed at Froome or the UCI?
Well, I'm pissed at UCI. Nothing against Froome.
I'm pissed at UCI because Mollema, Porte and Froome were all affected by the crash. Yet, only Porte and Froome seem to get something back out of it.
I understand that it's hard to take a decision that doesn't affect anyone negatively. They should have sticked with the results registered at the finish line.
Also, I feel like if it wasn't for Froome, they wouldn't judge it this way. If I remember correctly, in 2008 at SuperBesse Schumacher, while in the yellow jersey was held up by a crash and lost the jersey to Kim Kirchen.
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| murao22 |
Posted on 14-07-2016 22:31
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Now father of this fool argues with admin of Polish Eurosport FB account (EurosportPL, see the replies under post with title "Chaos!" ) and says that his son wasn't done anything wrong  Like father, like son |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 14-07-2016 22:34
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I think it was a fair decision. Couldn't have had a situation where 'if Froome wasn't held up by that crash' he would've won. I realize it may not be consistent and unfair to some tho.
I don't think its worth to dwell so much on this. It happened and all things considered, it was as fair as you could get it IMO. The legs will decide in the final weel anyways. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 14-07-2016 22:35
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What a farce this decision by the jury. How on earth is Valverde put in same time as all the others cuase he was clearly dropped 
The images are so obvious he was clearly gapped. How is this even accepted by the other riders???
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Posted on 14-07-2016 22:38
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I love these threads some days, highly entertaining reading!
Couple of quick things:
1) Can someone show me the UCI rule that bans running without a bike?
Spilak23 wrote:
Willfull deviation from the course, attempt to be placed without having covered the entire course by bycicle, resuming the race after having received a lift in a vehicle or on a motorbike.
Race incident 14 from the Regulations. Punishment is elemination.
Not sure it'll fall under it.
2) I'm slightly confused why people are pissed? Or rather, are people pissed at Froome or the UCI?
Pissed at Froome:
A. Because he neutralised the stage with 30 kms to go.
B. Because he's the one who gains most from the jury's decision while also being the one who broke the rules.
Pissed at Jury:
Because they make up rules for random situations while not doing anything if same situations happen to someone else. Sunday George Benett was fighting for the stage win on Arcalis but got held up by a fan. Why did they not intervene there but did it today.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 14-07-2016 23:45
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That's really the crux of the matter - people will always be dissatisfied until rules are clearly written and consistently implemented. This ranges from a sticky bottle (the breaking of a rule so common place we even have a pet name for it), all the way up to mountain summit fiascos involving a mankini blockade, motorbike gridlock and a gangly, poorly colour co-ordinated man boy running up a mountain like he's wearing high heels.
I personally think they made the best of a very bad situation that should never have happened in the first place but it's another case of picking and choosing and making it up as you go along which is always going to frustrate people.
That said watching Froome "run" up Ventoux has repeatedly amused me tonight so I'm running (it's all the rage) with that silver lining and am off to search YouTube some more to definitively establish the perfect musical accompaniment- Benny Hill?
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 15-07-2016 00:05
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For a more eloquent attempt to make sense of it all see https://inrng.com/...more-29305
Oh and of course it's all been done before 
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 15-07-2016 00:06
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but seriously he ran what about 100m. It's more for the hatred of Froome for being the best stage racer in the world at the moment than the rules.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 15-07-2016 00:41
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Ste117 wrote:
but seriously he ran what about 100m. It's more for the hatred of Froome for being the best stage racer in the world at the moment than the rules.
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| udoi |
Posted on 15-07-2016 01:39
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Force Froome are the strongest of all. |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 15-07-2016 01:50
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I am sure any rider would have ran up the mountain in the same situation.
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 15-07-2016 06:18
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Thanks for sharing, good and relative neutral explanation.
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| binga58 |
Posted on 15-07-2016 07:46
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Glad I stayed up till 1am here in Australia to watch the stage. Disappointed with the crash as I feel Porte could have climbed up even further in GC. Very hard decision by the judges, you would hope if anyone in GC contention was in this spot that the same action would be taken but I feel that Froome does get preferential treatment at time. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 15-07-2016 08:01
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Either way Froome would still win overall. He is clearly the strongest rider by some distance. He would have been 53 seconds behind. He would have made up that on the time trials alone.
I think the correct decision was made.
This was not a racing incident. What's the difference between this crash and Yates' crash of a few days ago. Both were caused by none racing incidents and both were treated the same. What is the problem?
Not a single person questioned the UCIs decision to neutralise the last few kilometres in Yates' instance but now because it's Froome everyone is in uproar. Do you really want a Tour de France decided by retard fans and incompetent organisation instead of the best cyclists?
You've got to make it fair in instances like this otherwise you will simply have fans taking out riders they don't like all of the time. If the UCI let things stand what would stop fans blocking the road everyday? |
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 15-07-2016 08:09
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ringo182 wrote:
Either way Froome would still win overall. He is clearly the strongest rider by some distance. He would have been 53 seconds behind. He would have made up that on the time trials alone.
I think the correct decision was made.
This was not a racing incident. What's the difference between this crash and Yates' crash of a few days ago. Both were caused by none racing incidents and both were treated the same. What is the problem?
Not a single person questioned the UCIs decision to neutralise the last few kilometres in Yates' instance but now because it's Froome everyone is in uproar. Do you really want a Tour de France decided by retard fans and incompetent organisation instead of the best cyclists?
You've got to make it fair in instances like this otherwise you will simply have fans taking out riders they don't like all of the time. If the UCI let things stand what would stop fans blocking the road everyday?
And when Porte had a flat, I remember they gave him the same time as the group! Maybe Andy Schleck's mechanical in 2010 is a little more similar, when Contador rode off without him.
If you are saying that mechanicals and crashes are fair but if it's caused by the crowd it's not (which makes no sense) what about that Bardiani rider a couple years ago in the Giro when he got hit by a fan on the Zoncolan, making him lose the stage, same situation for every other rider hit or influenced by someone in the crowd or a motorbike.
And. I know using the 1970's is a bad example, but Merckx once lost the tour because he was punched by a spectator, he had to continue riding and lost time, no change was made then.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 15-07-2016 08:11
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trekbmc wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Either way Froome would still win overall. He is clearly the strongest rider by some distance. He would have been 53 seconds behind. He would have made up that on the time trials alone.
I think the correct decision was made.
This was not a racing incident. What's the difference between this crash and Yates' crash of a few days ago. Both were caused by none racing incidents and both were treated the same. What is the problem?
Not a single person questioned the UCIs decision to neutralise the last few kilometres in Yates' instance but now because it's Froome everyone is in uproar. Do you really want a Tour de France decided by retard fans and incompetent organisation instead of the best cyclists?
You've got to make it fair in instances like this otherwise you will simply have fans taking out riders they don't like all of the time. If the UCI let things stand what would stop fans blocking the road everyday?
And when Porte had a flat, I remember they gave him the same time as the group! Maybe Andy Schleck's mechanical in 2010 is a little more similar.
If you are saying that mechanicals and crashes are fair but if it's caused by the crowd it's not (which makes no sense) what about that Bardiani rider a couple years ago in the Giro when he got hit by a fan on the Zoncolan, making him lose the stage, same situation for every other rider hit or influenced by someone in the crowd or a motorbike.
So you're happy for the tour to be decided by fans and not cyclists?
OK. I'll get a ticket over to France and start nocking riders off so my favourite rider wins, seeing as that's OK according to you. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 15-07-2016 08:17
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Some crashes are caused by fans and are part of racing. Look at Armstrong getting caught in a spectators bag.
But in this instance the road was blocked. It was IMPOSSIBLE for the 3 riders to get through. How is that fair or a racing incident? In order for a cycling road race you need a road. In this case there was no road. |
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 15-07-2016 08:21
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ringo182 wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Either way Froome would still win overall. He is clearly the strongest rider by some distance. He would have been 53 seconds behind. He would have made up that on the time trials alone.
I think the correct decision was made.
This was not a racing incident. What's the difference between this crash and Yates' crash of a few days ago. Both were caused by none racing incidents and both were treated the same. What is the problem?
Not a single person questioned the UCIs decision to neutralise the last few kilometres in Yates' instance but now because it's Froome everyone is in uproar. Do you really want a Tour de France decided by retard fans and incompetent organisation instead of the best cyclists?
You've got to make it fair in instances like this otherwise you will simply have fans taking out riders they don't like all of the time. If the UCI let things stand what would stop fans blocking the road everyday?
And when Porte had a flat, I remember they gave him the same time as the group! Maybe Andy Schleck's mechanical in 2010 is a little more similar.
If you are saying that mechanicals and crashes are fair but if it's caused by the crowd it's not (which makes no sense) what about that Bardiani rider a couple years ago in the Giro when he got hit by a fan on the Zoncolan, making him lose the stage, same situation for every other rider hit or influenced by someone in the crowd or a motorbike.
So you're happy for the tour to be decided by fans and not cyclists?
OK. I'll get a ticket over to France and start nocking riders off so my favourite rider wins, seeing as that's OK according to you.
If you were to purposefully push a rider off a bike you would be arrested and punished for attacking another person, plus what if you were a Sagan fan, what's to stop you pushing Cavendish off and injuring him on a mountain, he doesn't care about the time gaps.
Changing the race in one case of this and not in any other isn't fair, so I don't agree with it, if they were to make a rule (and follow it every time!) stating some sort of plan in case this happens, that would be somewhat more fair, but for now it's not.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 15-07-2016 08:23
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ringo182 wrote:
Some crashes are caused by fans and are part of racing. Look at Armstrong getting caught in a spectators bag.
But in this instance the road was blocked. It was IMPOSSIBLE for the 3 riders to get through. How is that fair or a racing incident? In order for a cycling road race you need a road. In this case there was no road.
If you have a mass peloton crash you also have no roads and riders have to thread their way through to the front, I'm sure plenty of those crashes have been caused by clipping a spectator, motorbike or road furniture.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 15-07-2016 08:29
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trekbmc wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Either way Froome would still win overall. He is clearly the strongest rider by some distance. He would have been 53 seconds behind. He would have made up that on the time trials alone.
I think the correct decision was made.
This was not a racing incident. What's the difference between this crash and Yates' crash of a few days ago. Both were caused by none racing incidents and both were treated the same. What is the problem?
Not a single person questioned the UCIs decision to neutralise the last few kilometres in Yates' instance but now because it's Froome everyone is in uproar. Do you really want a Tour de France decided by retard fans and incompetent organisation instead of the best cyclists?
You've got to make it fair in instances like this otherwise you will simply have fans taking out riders they don't like all of the time. If the UCI let things stand what would stop fans blocking the road everyday?
And when Porte had a flat, I remember they gave him the same time as the group! Maybe Andy Schleck's mechanical in 2010 is a little more similar.
If you are saying that mechanicals and crashes are fair but if it's caused by the crowd it's not (which makes no sense) what about that Bardiani rider a couple years ago in the Giro when he got hit by a fan on the Zoncolan, making him lose the stage, same situation for every other rider hit or influenced by someone in the crowd or a motorbike.
So you're happy for the tour to be decided by fans and not cyclists?
OK. I'll get a ticket over to France and start nocking riders off so my favourite rider wins, seeing as that's OK according to you.
If you were to purposefully push a rider off a bike you would be arrested and punished for attacking another person, plus what if you were a Sagan fan, what's to stop you pushing Cavendish off and injuring him on a mountain, he doesn't care about the time gaps.
Changing the race in one case of this and not in any other isn't fair, so I don't agree with it, if they were to make a rule (and follow it every time!) stating some sort of plan in case this happens, that would be somewhat more fair, but for now it's not.
What have they done differently to the Yates instance of a few days ago?
You can't compare other races to the Tour. The Tour is watched all around the World. Cycling already has a poor reputation because of drugs and cheating. Are you really suggesting that the UCI allows it's biggest race, and possibly the biggest annual sporting event in the World, to be decided by retard fans and motorbike crashes? It would make a mockery of the Sport around the world. It's the equivalent of the Football World Cup being won because a fan runs on the pitch and kicks the ball in the net.
Everyone cries when the yellow jersey crashes and other riders attack because apparently that's not fair. Yet now the yellow jersey has been knocked off by fans and 2 motorbikes but the UCI are suddenly corrupt for correcting the results.
I can't help thinking if the yellow jersey wasn't currently being worn by a Sky/British rider nobody would be disputing the decision. |
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