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jandal7
Riis123 wrote:
There seems to be many steals at 6 points, don't you worry Wink

Ah yes, but 96 + 6 is 102 Pfft But yeah there really is Shock
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Riis123
Don't worry, I have reshuffled my outfit at least 20 times...
 
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Maddox
Riis123 wrote:
But it is indeed due to Tinkoff wanting to support Sagan more that Jesper Hansen isn't in, he has confirmed that. I still hold on to the little possibility that Peter has a little saying.....
Why am I already up again? Damn

Edit: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bouha...ign=buffer

A man of my liking.


Sagan will get one helper, and that will be Oscar Gatto.
 
Riis123
Maddox wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
But it is indeed due to Tinkoff wanting to support Sagan more that Jesper Hansen isn't in, he has confirmed that. I still hold on to the little possibility that Peter has a little saying.....
Why am I already up again? Damn

Edit: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bouha...ign=buffer

A man of my liking.


Sagan will get one helper, and that will be Oscar Gatto.

Smart move. I would like to see him have two, its not like Contador will be able to produce more w/kg on the last climb if he has an all devoted team like 2015.
 
Strydz
Riis123 wrote:
Don't worry, I have reshuffled my outfit at least 20 times...


That makes two of us :lol:
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Croatia14
Astanas line-up for the Tour looks Sky-esque Shock
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boork
A lot of interesting names and great line ups for teams. I think this will be the most interesting tour in a while.

I am expecting the main contenders to be careful the first two weeks. They usually fair the possible heat and the hard climbs early on, and want to make sure they are at their strongest for the final mountain stages.

Perhaps we will get to see some of the outsiders go for it earlier than that. I certainly hope so as that could change things up and force the top names to ride harder and possibly show their cards earlier.
 
Spilak23
Pierre Rolland (Fra)
Lawson Craddock (US)
Matti Breschel (Den)
Alex Howes (US)
Kristijan Koren (Slo)
Sebastian Langeveld (Ned)
Ramunas Navardauskas (Lit)
Tom-Jelte Slagter (Ned)
Dylan Van Baarle (Ned)


How on earth is Pierro supposed to go on long mountain breaks with this team. No climbers whatsoever.
 
Riis123
Europcar was better in the mountains, Garmin better on the flat. Lose-lose, poor ol' Pierre. Always falls in love with him in the summertime. Craddock is the only decent climber, but he will likely try himself out for white and top-15. Can Howes and Slagter climb a bit?

Breschel has been bad for years, Navardauskas can potentially win a stage, but damn. Dombrowski would have been fun with Rolland.
 
jandal7
jandal's jandally guide to Le Tour
Trois: Le Parcours de le Tour III

Hello and welcome to jandal's (my) jandally (Made up word I did to describe something of my style, e.g. weird and inaccurate) guide (haha more like IQ lowererer) to (not two or too) Le Tour (log out and rethink your life if this needs explaining). Bad French and bad analysis will surely unintentionally follow. Read on, if you dare...

La Semaine Trois

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Étape Quinze | Bourg-en-Bresse - Culoz | 160km | Mountainous | Deux Cat. 3, un Cat. 2, deux Cat.1, un HC, et le un sprint intermédiaire (duh)

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Well we haven't hit the Alps proper yet but that doesn't mean we can't have a mountain stage - we hit the Jura Massif will lots of smaller Cols before we ascend the Grand Colombier twice from two sides, one an Hors Catégorie and one a Cat. 1 ascent. I'm predicting a truce among the GC riders with a distinctly flat finish and still 4 deciding stages to go, and one tomorrow where the break should win by 4+ minutes. Then again, the second rest day is coming up...

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It's a spectacular last 50km but two flat sections discourage GC assaults, though it's obviously very tough to predict what the GC looks like, and with basically two GC rest days coming up, the less Mountain TT inclined (van Garderen among others) may want to get some seconds on their rivals. You'll see nothing from the purer climbers unless an alliance forms with the two sections of flat after each ascent. However, we could see a Giro Stage 14 situation where someone is so focused on getting the time they end up being at the front, though that stage was a bit different. Anyway, these two climbs should give us plenty of entertainment from watching the break battling it out, and we could see a breakaway rider boosting himself up in GC, like that stage of the Giro in fact.

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As I said a quite flat final kilometres after the tricky descent, so I'm guessing it's whoever is the least screwed over or plays it best from the break to take the stage. There could be some GC splits of Nibali, etc. assaults for Aru on the descent but I'm not sure it'll be much major.

***** The break
****
***
** Nibali, Contador, Bardet, Froome, Quintana, Valverde, Aru
* Alaphilippe, D. Martin, Landa, Poels, Fuglsang, Rosa, Izagirre, Pinot, Yates
(1/2 star as the break has such a high chance): Oher Climbers



Étape Seize | Moirans-en-Montagne - Berne | 209km | Lumpy | Un Cat. 4 et le un sprint intermédiaire (duh)

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A day for the tough sprinters - if they and their teams can be bothered. GC teams would likely want a break to go and so that would be the top option for the stage. This also finishes its last third in Switzerland as we prepare for two Swiss days coming up. And the finishing town is Bern - which just so happens to be very near the birthplace of a certain Swiss powerhouse riding his final Tour. No it's not Martin Elmiger - he was born in Hagedorn - it's SPARTACUS.

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He could be seen animating the race or helping driving the peloton to catch the break before doing his thing and somehow winning. But does he still have the quality to do the latter? The last 5km are tough - why some sprinters won't care - and should provide some entertainment. Should be a break day. In terms of GC they should be able to relax - if Martin or another rider good up the hills wants some seconds they could launch an attack. It's tough to predict who does what in terms of breakaways but powerhouses such as Cummings and Cancellara could be very dangerous no matter if it's a late attack of BoTD.

***** The break (Cancellara)
****
*** Sagan, D. Martin, Alaphilippe, Mathews, Late attacker
** Valverde, Degenkolb, Kristoff, Rodriguez
* Nibali, Bardet, Quintana, Froome, Anyone else who's good on the day and can go up a hill


Rest Day | Berne
A chance for everyone to rest up and gain some energy back before tomorrow's spectacular ride to Finhaut Emosson. GC guys should be fully prepared for tomorrow as there shouldn't have been much sparring, in fact not even their domestiques with probably two break wins the last two days.


Étape Dix-Sept | Berne - Finhaut-Emosson | 185km | Mountainous | Deux Cat. 3, un Cat. 1, un HC, et le un sprint intermédiaire (duh)

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An 100% Swiss stage with some typically stunning Swiss scenery to enjoy up the final two climbs - a picturesque setting for hopefully a great battle. The previous day's rest should see the GC guys fighting fit and hopefully some great battles up first the 13km Cat. 1 Col de la Forclaz and then the beautiful HC trek up to Finhaut. Whether this will be for the stage win as well is another matter, probably not if Froome is in yellow.

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Wow. What a challenge! Both climbs are relentless. KM by KM Forclaz doesn't drop below 7%, and over 13km it averages out at almost 8%. We get 7kms of downhill after we crest Forclaz, some steep and some a bit more gentle. Then immediately we kick on up to Finhaut for 10.4km at 8.4%. It may be a battle of the break for the win, or maybe the GC guys can catch up as they duke it out? Will be make or break for the unproven 3 week recoverers, Porte the most obvious.

***** The break, Froome, Quintana, Contador
**** Aru, Nibali, Bardet
*** Pinot, Valverde
** Porte, van Garderen, Landa, Majka, Barguil, Rolland
* Yates, Meintjes, Poels, Rodriguez, Any other climber


Étape Dix-Huit | Sallanches - Megève | 17km | ITT (Medium Mountain)

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OK I lied. It's not quite a Giro MTT but it's certainly one for the climbers, 17km, mostly uphill and certainly not going to win the race. It sounds cliched, but you could only lose your Tour here.

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This should be one for the GC men, with the possible inclusion of Tom Dumoulin if he's still in the race and still fit (neither likely). The climb is fairly tough and so we should see a victory by someone who paces themselves and is just strong uphill and on the flats. So Froome.

***** Froome
**** Contador, Nibali, Quintana, van Garderen
*** Porte, Pinot, Aru
** Bardet, T. Dumoulin, Kelderman, Barguil
* Costa, Gesink, Mollema, All other guys still in the GC race, Some young doped Russian


Étape Dix-Neuf | Albertville - Mont Blanc | 146km | Mountainous | Un Cat. 2, deux Cat. 1, un HC, et le un sprint intermédiaire (duh)

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The short, sharp mountain stages at the business end of the Tour have become a staple and a favorite of the organisation, and it's no surprise to find one here with two Cat. 1s, a Cat. 2 and a HC climb packed into 146km of the finest battles between the finest GC men in the world (except Chaves who isn't here), and Porte. We discover 2 new ways up La Forclaz, making it three in total this Tour, and the riders will be able to see the beautiful Mont Blanc all day before climbing it right at the end of this, the penultimate GC day

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The HC Montée de Bisanne could well be a springboard for an attack such as Nibali's on stage 19 to La Toussuire last year. It's an incredibly tough climb which will cause a selection before the descent and summit finish on Mont Blanc. 12.4km at 8.2% is very difficult and could see a flurry of attacks from GC places 5-10, as well as a typical Rolland long-range assault.

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La Bettex to Mont Blanc starts very tough, loosens briefly and ends tough. It should be a very entertaining GC duel and hopefully reshuffling. The scenery will be beautiful but the riders won't be noticing lest they lose focus, lose seconds, lose everything. Some daring opportunists will then try and gain everything before the road to Morzine tomorrow.

***** Froome, Quintana, Contador
**** Bardet, Nibali, Aru, Pinot
*** Valverde, van Garderen, Landa, Majka, Barguil, Rolland, Meintjes
** Yates, The break, D. Martin
* Any other climber

Lol, no time for 20 and 21. See ya with them on the weekend (yes maybe after stage one) along with hopefully some rider stuff!

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Riis123
Stage 15 and 17 are probably the stages I look forward to the most in the race. Stage 15 is must watch from the get go and the finish to Emosson is the toughest in the race when you add Forclaz beforehand. Also, I think you are underestimating the day in the Juras quite a bit - with a flat stage and and a rest day proceeding, it will be a goodie. Stage making 101.

Monteé Bisanne is a monster, but I feel the stage is poorly designed. The stage preceding to Morzine looks much, much better, but if they dare on Bisanne, it will be good. It reminds me of a much tougher stage than the stage Valverde won over Pagganella, but Ramaz + Joux Plane is harder than Bisanne + Mont Blanc is harder and thus is likely to played defensively, stage 19 to Mont Blanc that is.
 
Strydz
Why should Rolland expect any climbing support? He's a stage hunter with a average chance to finish just inside the top 10, I don't see why he would need or expect domestiques.
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Riis123
Rolland has always used 1-2 guys in the mountains to hunt stages, polkas and top-10
 
baseballlover312
He's the kind of guy that likes to freelance anyway, I don't think it will inhibit his aggressive style much at all. Still, for a team that in the past has gone for super-depth, this is week. Only other climber on the team is Craddock. The bright side is that I think Craddock has a small shot at white if some of the favorites crash out/disappoint (Barguil, Meintjes, Kelderman, Yates) and he shows the form he had early in the season. Very slight, but a chance (Craddock has next year for that too still).
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sammyt93
Anyone else thinks stage 15 reminds them of the one a few years back that Liquigas almost threw away for Nibali when the Movistar rider (LLastras?) almost stole it in a 4 vs 1 scenario and Sagan had to sprint round to take the stage and save the embarrassment?

Stage 16, I think you could add Tony Martin to the late attack list with Spartacus and Cummings.
 
Strydz
Riis123 wrote:
Rolland has always used 1-2 guys in the mountains to hunt stages, polkas and top-10


Well then send the riders they have up the road to give him a hand, Koren is a good rider to send into the break who could give Rolland some support for a short while. I still don't think he needs the support, I still remember that win on the Alpe in 2011, he did that without a teammate up the road
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Riis123
sammyt93 wrote:
Anyone else thinks stage 15 reminds them of the one a few years back that Liquigas almost threw away for Nibali when the Movistar rider (LLastras?) almost stole it in a 4 vs 1 scenario and Sagan had to sprint round to take the stage and save the embarrassment?

Stage 16, I think you could add Tony Martin to the late attack list with Spartacus and Cummings.


Stage 15 is much, much harder if I remember that stage correctly.
 
Kirchen_75
My Stage 1 & 2 predictions:

Stage 1: D.Groenewegen
Stage 2: Jalaphilippe + Maillot Jaune

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Shonak
Spilak23 wrote:
Pierre Rolland (Fra)
Lawson Craddock (US)
Matti Breschel (Den)
Alex Howes (US)
Kristijan Koren (Slo)
Sebastian Langeveld (Ned)
Ramunas Navardauskas (Lit)
Tom-Jelte Slagter (Ned)
Dylan Van Baarle (Ned)


How on earth is Pierro supposed to go on long mountain breaks with this team. No climbers whatsoever.

Largely uninspiring squad, although Craddock could be the best of five americans (yes I'm saying this with TVG in mind). Honestly, I'm just glad that Alex Howes can do Vaughters proud and go into fun brekaways for fun tv time and no stage results whatsoever. After all, we all know that watching Alex Hows do is his thing is what cycling is all about. Pfft

At least with such a rouleur squad, Rolland shouldn't that much time on flats.. But he will likely do so anyway.
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Miguel98
Spilak23 wrote:
Pierre Rolland (Fra)
Lawson Craddock (US)
Matti Breschel (Den)
Alex Howes (US)
Kristijan Koren (Slo)
Sebastian Langeveld (Ned)
Ramunas Navardauskas (Lit)
Tom-Jelte Slagter (Ned)
Dylan Van Baarle (Ned)


How on earth is Pierro supposed to go on long mountain breaks with this team. No climbers whatsoever.


Rolland didn't want anyone to steal his 10% gain :lol:
 
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