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Who will be the next new Grand Tour champion and when?
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 04-06-2016 10:00
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
[quote] jandal7 wrote:
Nario 2016 Tour -  - :
Chaves 2016 Vuelta - Too soon - yeah probably to soon to go 3 weeks, wishful thinking
Kruiswijk 2017 Giro - Think Chaves might get this one instead - hopefully 
Nairo 2017 Tour - Two in a row, loving it!! - yep, depends on route
Adam Yates 2017 Vuelta - Bold!! - yeah, all about how he develops
Chaves 2018 Giro - Or Landa. Probably Landa - hmm, you could be right here. This post was half a joke with heavy bias
Pinot 2018 Tour - Yes, I'd agree - yeah think he will get it sooner or later
Chaves 2018 Vuelta - Possible - yeah hopefully
Froome 2019 Giro - Too old by now surely - was thinking horner lol
Chaves 2019 Tour - Nope - yeah wishful thinking
Nairo 2019 Vuelta - Yayyy - yeah reckon he'll have equalled nibz and contador by then
We should play this again more seriously. In fact, I'm bored, let's do whole seasons
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Posted on 04-06-2016 10:09
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Croatia14 wrote:
My pick is Ilnur Zakarin - otherwise I´ll go for a crazy one and say Primoz Roglic
Speaking of Roglic, and also Dombrowski; are there examples of riders with as huge problems as those two guys actually managing to successfully adapt to and learn how to ride comfortably in the peloton? I guess possibly Froome, if the Sky propaganda is to be believed. Machado has never really taken to it, Moncoutie was either off the front or at the back all the way into his late thirties.
I fear those guys might not get over their issues to an extent that makes them consistent enough to challenge for GTs.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 04-06-2016 10:19
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Strydz wrote:
AbhishekLFC wrote:
Now we're talking 
Ok let's have some fun with this...
jandal7 wrote:
Froome 2019 Giro - Too old by now surely
Mark my words!
Sorry Kruijswijk 
Froome will be 34 in 2019 so if Evans can win a TDF at 34, Horner winning a Vuelta at 41 then Froome could win a Vuelta at 34
Fair point. Will be much tougher though coz the riders seem to be declining from a lower age nowadays.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 04-06-2016 10:22
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jandal7 wrote:
We should play this again more seriously. In fact, I'm bored, let's do whole seasons
U wanna start with the Dauphine and go till the end of the season  . Might make for an interesting new thread...
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 04-06-2016 10:23
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
jandal7 wrote:
We should play this again more seriously. In fact, I'm bored, let's do whole seasons
U wanna start with the Dauphine and go till the end of the season . Might make for an interesting new thread...
I see many avatar bets...
I'm in, though it may need to be structured so it's not just "In the second half of the year 2016"...
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 05-06-2016 16:49
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Formolo just won the Giro in PCM 2015, so when does he win the real thing?
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 05-06-2016 16:51
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Pontus Kastemyr Is the next super-talent and GT winner out there.
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 05-06-2016 17:18
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Lack of Superman López hype is disappointing. Crushed Avenir two years ago, stepped up on the Rettenbachferner last year and has the Vuelta this year as his big season goal. He also seems to be a fairly solid in the TTs, which is always useful.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 05-06-2016 21:49
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
Formolo just won the Giro in PCM 2015, so when does he win the real thing?
Never. He was supposed to show off this year, but faded as he always does. Top-10, maybe top-5 at the very best.
Stromeon: Yeah, Lopez. My bet for Suisse this year, extremely promising climber. |
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 18-06-2016 09:31
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After everything that's happened at the Dauphine and in the TdS, despite there being 2 days to go, any changes of opinion for everyone? Anyone we've missed out before who's caught the eye as a potential future GT champion/contender?
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 18-06-2016 10:03
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According to my career in PCM 15 it will be Gallopin at this years Vuelta with TJVG 2nd Simon Yates 3rd
That said it thought Valverde would win the Tour in 2015 and that the top 10 for next years tour will be Froome, Gallopin, TJVG, Pinot, Nairo, Sergio Henao, Sagan, Nibali, Aru, Alaphalippe which if that happens we are probably in for an interesting tour.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 18-06-2016 10:09
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Squire wrote:
Croatia14 wrote:
My pick is Ilnur Zakarin - otherwise I´ll go for a crazy one and say Primoz Roglic
Speaking of Roglic, and also Dombrowski; are there examples of riders with as huge problems as those two guys actually managing to successfully adapt to and learn how to ride comfortably in the peloton? I guess possibly Froome, if the Sky propaganda is to be believed. Machado has never really taken to it, Moncoutie was either off the front or at the back all the way into his late thirties.
I fear those guys might not get over their issues to an extent that makes them consistent enough to challenge for GTs.
Roglic is still in his first year in the pro peloton, and overall is a very late jumper on the cycling train, I´m sure he´ll get to that point.
Dombrowski might be different (though I´m not sure), but I think he could really become a GT winner once he gets that sorted...
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| Naxela |
Posted on 18-06-2016 10:12
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I'm still waiting for Jungels. But Alaphilipe is really interesting, will be fun too see his priority in training for the next two years.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 18-06-2016 10:27
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sammyt93 wrote:
According to my career in PCM 15 it will be Gallopin at this years Vuelta with TJVG 2nd Simon Yates 3rd
That said it thought Valverde would win the Tour in 2015 and that the top 10 for next years tour will be Froome, Gallopin, TJVG, Pinot, Nairo, Sergio Henao, Sagan, Nibali, Aru, Alaphalippe which if that happens we are probably in for an interesting tour.
Well PCM 2015 told me that Talansky will win the Vuelta in 2017. He's been on a resurgence this week. Can he actually challenge ever? Probably unlikely but could still happen.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 18-06-2016 10:28
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Naxela wrote:
I'm still waiting for Jungels. But Alaphilipe is really interesting, will be fun too see his priority in training for the next two years.
Alaphilippe doesn't seem to have the legs for the big climbs yet. He has a lot of catching up to do there.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 18-06-2016 11:05
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
Naxela wrote:
I'm still waiting for Jungels. But Alaphilipe is really interesting, will be fun too see his priority in training for the next two years.
Alaphilippe doesn't seem to have the legs for the big climbs yet. He has a lot of catching up to do there.
IMO, Alaphilippe will never win a GT.
Valverde is the most obvious comparison, but Valverde was a very, very good climber about his age. 2 impressive performances in La Vuelta at 23 and 24 and obviously his truly epic stage win on Courchevel ahead of Armstrong. Basically, a slightly less talented, more explosive, but worse climber than him. |
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| Naxela |
Posted on 18-06-2016 13:04
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Riis123 wrote:
AbhishekLFC wrote:
Naxela wrote:
I'm still waiting for Jungels. But Alaphilipe is really interesting, will be fun too see his priority in training for the next two years.
Alaphilippe doesn't seem to have the legs for the big climbs yet. He has a lot of catching up to do there.
IMO, Alaphilippe will never win a GT.
Valverde is the most obvious comparison, but Valverde was a very, very good climber about his age. 2 impressive performances in La Vuelta at 23 and 24 and obviously his truly epic stage win on Courchevel ahead of Armstrong. Basically, a slightly less talented, more explosive, but worse climber than him.
I'd say i agree with the comparison with Valverde. But he has taken big steps this year, he is a type of rider who can specialize into whatever he wants at this age of his career. And his performances this year and especially in the hilly tt in dauphine was pretty impressive.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 20-06-2016 10:21
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Naxela wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
AbhishekLFC wrote:
Naxela wrote:
I'm still waiting for Jungels. But Alaphilipe is really interesting, will be fun too see his priority in training for the next two years.
Alaphilippe doesn't seem to have the legs for the big climbs yet. He has a lot of catching up to do there.
IMO, Alaphilippe will never win a GT.
Valverde is the most obvious comparison, but Valverde was a very, very good climber about his age. 2 impressive performances in La Vuelta at 23 and 24 and obviously his truly epic stage win on Courchevel ahead of Armstrong. Basically, a slightly less talented, more explosive, but worse climber than him.
I'd say i agree with the comparison with Valverde. But he has taken big steps this year, he is a type of rider who can specialize into whatever he wants at this age of his career. And his performances this year and especially in the hilly tt in dauphine was pretty impressive.
Can riders really specialize into whatever they want? Just look at Rui Costa and you'll find parallels of how that hasn't happened...
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 20-06-2016 10:25
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Nice catch Stromeon and Riis with Lopez. Really did well on the slopes of Switzerland. Have read him being talked up for the Vuelta already. Colombia rattling out another potential GT winner then.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 20-06-2016 11:51
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Croatia14 wrote:
Roglic is still in his first year in the pro peloton, and overall is a very late jumper on the cycling train, I´m sure he´ll get to that point.
Dombrowski might be different (though I´m not sure), but I think he could really become a GT winner once he gets that sorted...
I can't see either of these guys winning a GT, stages and a 10 yes but not winning one
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