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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 30-05-2016 20:25
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As far as the rumours go(I am trusting on Eshnar on CN Forum) there are talks of a MTF in Piancavallo and a finish on Pordoi(Fedaia-Pordoi double probably),stages in Sardinia and Sicily. |
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 30-05-2016 20:47
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Are there many Giro editions that contained (a) stage(s) on one of the islands (before the Etna MTF in 2011)?
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 30-05-2016 20:49
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Kiserlovski01 wrote:
Are there many Giro editions that contained (a) stage(s) on one of the islands (before the Etna MTF in 2011)? 2008 edition had first 3 stages in Sicily. |
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 30-05-2016 20:59
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Thanks for that.
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Posted on 30-05-2016 21:13
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Kiserlovski01 wrote:
Are there many Giro editions that contained (a) stage(s) on one of the islands (before the Etna MTF in 2011)?
The second stage of 2013 was in an island, close to Napoli.
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 30-05-2016 21:29
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First 3 stages of the 2007 Giro were on Sardinia (well, technically the TTT on the first stage was on the Isola Maddalena, a small island just to the north of the Sardinian mainland) as well, and the 1999 Giro started with 3 stages in Sicily as well. So it's not a rare occurrence to visit them but I'm not sure we'll have both islands, seems a bit far-fetched to me. I suppose the most likely scenario is to start in Sardinia before an early rest day, a transfer to Sicily and then just carry on up from Calabria northwards. Though that means they won't spend a lot of time in middle Italy if they're eager to get up north for the big mountain showdowns that the 100th Giro of course needs.
Very happy to hear Fedaia-Pordoi rumoured, a classic combo that means we get to see more of the beautiful Dolomites (and of course a welcome return for Fedaia after a 5 year absence).
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 30-05-2016 21:43
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Next year is perfect time for both Sicily and Sardinia. Perfectly accentuates the fight for glory between Nibali and Aru next year. Already hyped for that one.
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Posted on 01-06-2016 08:11
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 08:55
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Posted it on the previous page.
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 01-06-2016 13:39
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Just browsing through the Dauphiné route and I'm very happy to see the inclusion of Vaujany as a MTF. In this parcours they've completely butchered it, as one might expect; but it's a small ski station just off the edge of the descent of the Col du Glandon/Col de la Croix de Fer on the way down to Alpe d'Huez, so offers great possibilities if you approach it from the other side.
One of the main problems with Alpe d'Huez is it doesn't link to any climbs very well (although arguably this doesn't really matter as all action comes down to L'Alpe anyway), but Vaujany not only links well to a big HC climb, but it's perfect for what I call a "combo stage" - the pattern of hard climb-easier climb to finish, with Mortirolo-Aprica and Finestre-Sestriere the chief exponents of such design.
With the Giro having so much success utilising this format over the past couple of years, and many of the ideas we see in the Dauphiné soon utilised in the Tour (Finhaut and Le Bettex in this year's Tour are just two examples of climbs that first appeared in the Dauphiné very recently as a trial run, if you like) I'm optimistic that we might see a stage utilising the Glandon/Croix de Fer - Vaujany combo. I've designed a couple of possibilites - naturally I got slightly carried away and quickly turned them into proper Alpine queen stages, which we've been sorely lacking the last few years in the Tour, but you can chop off the first climb in each instance to still get a tough but very interesting stage. The first one in particular is very reminiscent of the Sant'Anna di Vinadio stage from this year's Giro, actually.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 13:49
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The first stage of yours is a proper Alpine-stage, good job! Obviously too hard for Dauphine tho, but I like that a lot better than the second one. One question: Is it possible to ascent Bisanne instead of Roseland?
The Dauphine-route is decent. Contador and Froome are a guarantee of a good show! |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 01-06-2016 14:32
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Riis123 wrote:
The first stage of yours is a proper Alpine-stage, good job! Obviously too hard for Dauphine tho, but I like that a lot better than the second one. One question: Is it possible to ascent Bisanne instead of Roseland?
The Dauphine-route is decent. Contador and Froome are a guarantee of a good show!
I prefer the first one too, I thought of the second one a bit later to show the possibilities of coming from the south as well as the north, but I'm not really a fan of Galibier south.
You could do a detour turning off just after Beaufort after descending Roselend to climb Bisanne via Saisies before descending the side climbed in the Tour this year and carry on, making it an even more brutal stage, or you could cut Roselend and approach Bisanne from the north from, say, Megève but that would be a pretty shallow climb (i.e. climbing the side that they will descend in the Tour).
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 19:52
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Stromeon wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
The first stage of yours is a proper Alpine-stage, good job! Obviously too hard for Dauphine tho, but I like that a lot better than the second one. One question: Is it possible to ascent Bisanne instead of Roseland?
The Dauphine-route is decent. Contador and Froome are a guarantee of a good show!
I prefer the first one too, I thought of the second one a bit later to show the possibilities of coming from the south as well as the north, but I'm not really a fan of Galibier south.
You could do a detour turning off just after Beaufort after descending Roselend to climb Bisanne via Saisies before descending the side climbed in the Tour this year and carry on, making it an even more brutal stage, or you could cut Roselend and approach Bisanne from the north from, say, Megève but that would be a pretty shallow climb (i.e. climbing the side that they will descend in the Tour).
Aah, I thought about Saisies. Roseland is a really decent climb at its own, Saisies on the other hand is kinda meh.
But just goes to show how much you can do with the routes. This Dauphine-route seems pretty progressive tho. |
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Posted on 01-06-2016 20:26
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Those stages are awesome Stromeon.It is horrible that the Dauphine doesn't use Vaujany the same way as you. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 06-06-2016 12:56
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The Fedaia-Pordoi combo looks awesome. I seriously can't wait for the rumours to really pick up and the final route to be unveiled in October. I hope for a stage more in the Dolomites - they are what for mountains what Venice are for cities!
What do you guys hope to see? The Giro will stay in Italy which in itself is a huge plus for the spectacle and the racing itself, but apart from 2 epic mountain stages in the Dolomites, I don't really know what more to expect apart from a minimal of cut-in-stone sprints and, hopefully, more ITT-miles. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 06-06-2016 13:39
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Riis123 wrote:
The Fedaia-Pordoi combo looks awesome. I seriously can't wait for the rumours to really pick up and the final route to be unveiled in October. I hope for a stage more in the Dolomites - they are what for mountains what Venice are for cities!
What do you guys hope to see? The Giro will stay in Italy which in itself is a huge plus for the spectacle and the racing itself, but apart from 2 epic mountain stages in the Dolomites, I don't really know what more to expect apart from a minimal of cut-in-stone sprints and, hopefully, more ITT-miles.
Yep, something like Stage 13 from the 2001 Giro would be great. Apparently Piancavallo in Friuli is rumoured as a MTF, another Pantani in memoriam gesture I guess.
Elsewhere I assume we'll have some combination of Stelvio/Gavia/Mortirolo in one arrangement or another, maybe (this is just me hypothesising, not based on any rumours) Stelvio-Mortirolo-Aprica, climbing Stelvio from the harder eastern side we haven't seen since 2005 and being a very worthy Cima Coppi for the 100th Giro? And I assume we'll have some mountain stages in the Alps in the west, although I'm not sure what to expect given that Finestre, Sestriere, Cervinia, Agnello and Lombarde/Vinadio have all been used in the last couple of years; I sadly don't think Fauniera/Sampeyre is on the cards either. Though there's always the rumour of Colle del Nivolet that seems to crop up every year without any basis, I guess they'll have to use that climb one day though 
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 06-06-2016 14:34
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I think I heard something about it finishing on the foot of Pordoi, I think Pantani won the stage in 1999? Anyways, not sure. And now we are at it, how cool would it be to pull a similar Mortirolo-stage off to the one Pantani won in 1994? It would probably have to be on the last day to work in modern cycling, tho!
I've seen enough of the Western Alps this year, I honestly like the rest of what Italy has to offer in terms of climbing better. And thank god for not using Cervinia again, Im by no means a fan.
You can pretty much divide the Italian Alps into 4 categories, no? Western Alps, Gavia/Stelvio/Mortirolo (dunno what those are called), Dolomites and the Friulis featuring Zonco and Crostis? I know you know way more than me on that. And where exactly are Fauniera/Sampeyre situated - I'd think somewhere between the Western Alps and the region I scientifically called Gavia/Stelvio/Mortirolo? Would be a blast to see those.
Above all, which I forgot in my first post, I hope for some decent GC-action in the first week or early second week. Blockhaus maybe? |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 06-06-2016 14:56
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Riis123 wrote:
You can pretty much divide the Italian Alps into 4 categories, no? Western Alps, Gavia/Stelvio/Mortirolo (dunno what those are called), Dolomites and the Friulis featuring Zonco and Crostis? I know you know way more than me on that. And where exactly are Fauniera/Sampeyre situated - I'd think somewhere between the Western Alps and the region I scientifically called Gavia/Stelvio/Mortirolo? Would be a blast to see those.
Only talking about North Italy cause there are obviously others in the boot like Ligurian alps, Appenines, Abruzzo etc.. Western to Eastern:
1. Piedmont: what you describe as the Western Alps. Most famous climbs: Agnello, Lombarda, Fauniera, Sampeyre, Sestriere, Finestre, Pra Martino
2. Aosta (North of Piedmont). Climbs like Cervinia, Tzecore
3. Lombardia where Gavia, Stelvio, Mortirolo are but also the climbs from Giro di Lombardia and other known climbs like Montecampione, Passo San Carlo..
4. Trentino/SudTirol + Veneto: with the dolomites (you can easily divide this group in couple groups)
5. Friuli: with Crostis, Zoncolan and the ones used in the stage to Cividale this year.
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And where exactly are Fauniera/Sampeyre situated - I'd think somewhere between the Western Alps and the region I scientifically called Gavia/Stelvio/Mortirolo? Would be a blast to see those.
They're in the middle of the Western Alps between Pinerolo and Cuneo. They're basically the back side of what the Giro did during the last 2 days this year. They connect Lombarda and Agnello.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 06-06-2016 15:10
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Muchos gracias! |
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Posted on 19-10-2016 11:46
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ringo182 wrote:
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Well the lack of tt miles is obviously an attempt by the organisers to ensure Froome isn't given a 5 minute headstart over Quintana. I guess they're hoping the others can make it a proper competition right into the last week with less tt's.
Not sure I agree with organisers planning routes specifically to hinder particular riders. It's like them changing the rules of the points jersey to try to stop Sagan winning. If a rider is clearly the best of his generation then he deserves to win a number of times.
I know they want to make the race interesting but they can do that without intentionally planning a route to stop Froome. The inclusion of a cobbled/PR style stage is one thing they could do. Although after the carnage the last time they did that I think that's put them off for a while 
Yes, why do we want to watch one of the most epic stages in modern Tour history again. That stage was a bummer, right.
Froome crashend even before the cobbles due to an injured sustained beforehand, he couldn't even hold onto his bike in that weather anymore. So regardless he woulda been out. It basically gave us a perfect scenario with Contador 3 minutes down which he would expected to slowly gain back over the many difficulties that route had to provide (a good thing, that time gaps thing). Unfortunately, Contador crashed and robbed us all for potentially the best Tour since 2003, maybe even better.
Again, I never said I didn't want a cobbled stage. I actually said that is what they should do. I said the organisers will probably steer clear after what happened last time.
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