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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| HerakleX |
Posted on 29-05-2016 16:07
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marcoplv95 wrote:
Uran: Yes probably deserves 77...i just don't get last stage how was him better than Chaves...
Remember he's been suffering from bonchitis since the TT, and he wasn't even full recovered the last mountain stage. You should take that into account. |
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| j0nne |
Posted on 29-05-2016 16:29
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Landa 81
Nibali 81
Valverde 80
Kruijswijk 80
Zakarin 80
Majka 79
Chaves 79
Fuglsang 78
Pozzovivo 78
Uran 78
Scarponi 77
Nieve 77
Jungels 77
Dumoulin 77
Amador 77
Hesjedal 77
Kangert 77
Roche 77
Atapuma 76
Siutsou 76
Firsanov 76
Dombrowski 76
Dupont 76
Anton 75
Taaramae 75
Henao 75
Formolo 75
Brambilla 75
Visconti 75
Cardoso 75
Ulissi 75
Foliforov 75???? |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 29-05-2016 16:46
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I love Nibali's GT record since 2012. 3rd behind Sky in 2012 TDF, 1st 2013 Giro, 2nd behind the nuclear Horner Vuelta 2013, 1st 2014 TDF, 1st 2016 Giro.
Only once since 2012 has he finished off a GT podium, and that was last years TDF. Since 2010 he's only had one other non-podium GT finish in the 2011 Vuelta.
Lets add his MTN stage win and GC in Oman 2016, and numerous other MTN stage/race results in the last few years. Nibali is one of the best climbers and GC racers in the peloton full stop.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 17:42
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HerakleX wrote:
marcoplv95 wrote:
Uran: Yes probably deserves 77...i just don't get last stage how was him better than Chaves...
Remember he's been suffering from bonchitis since the TT, and he wasn't even full recovered the last mountain stage. You should take that into account.
Well, when Tony made a solid effort on last years Amstel Gold, whilst having knee problems, and didn't get an upgrade, Uran should be treated the same.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 17:44
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So if, I win by the better riders crashing, I should get an extreme stat? Nibali hasn't proven to be the strongest in the Giro. He was dropped on several occasions and he could only beat Kruijijswijijk, when Steven was hurt.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 29-05-2016 17:59
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I can see quite a few people are going hammer and tongs with these Giro stats which of course is good. Without giving too much away before they are finalized we are 90% already there, Riders like Nibali will be on 81 mtn, Kruijswijk 80 mtn (I hate writing that name as it's hard to spell) and Chaves 79 mtn, with particular attention being made to their backup stats all the way down to riders like Foliforov on 75 mtn due to two great climbing stages..
Just for the record Uran sucked at TT's and lost his race there but he climbed well and stayed with the leaders on a lot of the days and was very good on stage 20 so he'll be at 78 mtn no problem (illness taken into consideration) whereas somebody like Pozzovivo got a deserved decrease.
We have just the REC stats to bash out over the next couple of days and all the Giro stats have been completed with every stage having been taken into consideration.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 18:07
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I love Nibali's GT record since 2012. 3rd behind Sky in 2012 TDF, 1st 2013 Giro, 2nd behind the nuclear Horner Vuelta 2013, 1st 2014 TDF, 1st 2016 Giro.
Only once since 2012 has he finished off a GT podium, and that was last years TDF. Since 2010 he's only had one other non-podium GT finish in the 2011 Vuelta.
Lets add his MTN stage win and GC in Oman 2016, and numerous other MTN stage/race results in the last few years. Nibali is one of the best climbers and GC racers in the peloton full stop. And only 8:36 minutes behind Froome  |
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| MARSUPILAMI |
Posted on 29-05-2016 18:21
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Nibali, Kruijswijk - 81
Chaves - 80
Valverde, Zakarin - 79
Jungels, Majka - 78
Urán, Amador, Nieve, Kangert - 77
Atapuma, Siutsou, Scarponi, Taaramae - 76
Cunego, Visconti, Plaza, Ulissi (or even 76) - 75
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| matt17br |
Posted on 29-05-2016 18:32
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No way is Cunego going to get 76 or even 75 the way he rode this Giro... He could only gather points when he had no serious contention. When he had to try to win the blue jersey he always was not good enough to battle it out with his rivals.
Edited by matt17br on 29-05-2016 18:36
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 29-05-2016 18:34
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I think Cunego with 74 (and 75 hills) is perfect for him |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 29-05-2016 18:46
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Yep Cunego is your typical 74 mtn rider with a decent FS.
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| clamel |
Posted on 31-05-2016 11:52
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Now some question on US cyclists
Perhaps you should in next update add the recently by Rally signed mountain-biker Sepp Kuss ? He did some really good results in Gila and San Dimas and a stage win in Redland Classics.
Team Rally liked it and signed him prior to the USA National, but he didn't finish that.
Perhaps with some moderate stats on DH and Hills, coming over to the road from mountain-biking. He could be another up-coming US rider like Powless. Who knows
He got some good results on Strava, some only second to Tom Davidson.
Think you can form an opinion on what stats should be good on these two links.
https://firstcycling.com/rider.php?r=4...hp?r=48008
https://cyclingtips.com/2016/04/meet-s...s-classic/
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 31-05-2016 11:55
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Cunego mo stat in his winning days - 81? 82?
“When it’s hurting you, that’s when you can make a difference”
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 31-05-2016 12:03
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I didn't watch that Giro, but from what I've been told and what little research I've made on that race, Cunego was never a dominant climber in that race either. 82 is what too high. Maybe 81, but I lean towards 80 with superb hill and finishing abilities. |
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 31-05-2016 12:08
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Riis123 wrote:
I didn't watch that Giro, but from what I've been told and what little research I've made on that race, Cunego was never a dominant climber in that race either. 82 is what too high. Maybe 81, but I lean towards 80 with superb hill and finishing abilities.
As I remember him he was a very fast finisher and had a high ACC like Valverde.
I was wondering about the best sprinting GC/MO rider of all time.. Valverde? Jalebert? Di Luca?
What do you guys think?
“When it’s hurting you, that’s when you can make a difference”
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 31-05-2016 12:11
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clamel wrote:
Now some question on US cyclists
Perhaps you should in next update add the recently by Rally signed mountain-biker Sepp Kuss ? He did some really good results in Gila and San Dimas and a stage win in Redland Classics.
Team Rally liked it and signed him prior to the USA National, but he didn't finish that.
Perhaps with some moderate stats on DH and Hills, coming over to the road from mountain-biking. He could be another up-coming US rider like Powless. Who knows
He got some good results on Strava, some only second to Tom Davidson.
Think you can form an opinion on what stats should be good on these two links.
https://firstcycling.com/rider.php?r=4...hp?r=48008
https://cyclingtips.com/2016/04/meet-s...s-classic/
Sepp Kuss already made it into our db, with 65 FL/MO, 66 HI & 67 DH/ACC - you´ll see him in the next release
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| clamel |
Posted on 31-05-2016 12:25
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He should have a little plus on aggresive/fighter I do believe, He was in early breaks in US National and in other races too
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 31-05-2016 13:35
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Kuss for me is like; 4Potential
65Flat
65Mountain
60Cobbles
70Downhill
63TT
61Prologue
62SP
67Acc
64Endurance
65Resistance
64Recovery
66Hills
68Fighter
Dont know if anyone likes |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 31-05-2016 13:41
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clamel wrote:
He should have a little plus on aggresive/fighter I do believe, He was in early breaks in US National and in other races too
it´s at 66 currently
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 31-05-2016 15:22
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I know we talked about Baptiste Plackaert not too long ago, but I wasn't satisfied with his stats at the time and since he just keeps improving, so I want to bring him back to the table. He has shown to be a great sprinter the last few years and this year he showed he can do a bit of classic work as well. He's 18th in this year's CQ ranking with a few wins and results that should give him higher stats:
https://www.cqrank...;current=0
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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