First thing to note is that the rider addition process is by no means finished. While there are some new riders in there, the main purpose of this release is to provide an up to date version with updated stats from development increases and age decreases, new team names, national champions and the free agency list.
Also included is a new Average formula as in especially sprinters have a rather low OVL in comparison to other rider types. This also includes the combined rider types like hilly sprinters or cobblers with a high sprint. Those are influenced and highered by the new formula, while GT riders, pure puncheurs etc. shouldn`t be impacted really.
Feedback on the new OVL is welcomed even though the idea behind is quite secured as there will be a couple more sprinter friendly races this season and they were already quite dominant in 2015.
Right now last years idea to allow PT riders with less than 42 race days to go the 2 GT way and nothing else, is still valid.
Edited by roturn on 28-05-2016 12:08
The DB. It's here. I feel like a vulture, I'm already ready licking my lips for the scavenge. Of course, vultures don't have lips, cause their birds, but... well anyway, I have a DB to look at. It seems most people are less excited though judging by the lack of posts. I know it's pre-renewals but it's still a new jumping point. Great work!
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I am pretty excited and already spotted quite a few nice talents and free agents. Now to scare away all those remaining teams from eastern Europe.
But what makes me most happy is the look of Metinvest setup after almost all my talents from last year got maxed out. Just two guys who are not 4/100.
Not that much talent from France. I guess that is good though, as it means I still have a large pool of the best
Besides that I am pretty happy looking at my team aswell, finally maxing out those talents of mine. Pierre-Henri Lecuisinier, Tom David, Clement Koretzky, Laurent Pichon and Bryan Coquard should make an imminent impact, while the likes of Piter Campero, Yuriy Vasyliv, Olivier Le Gac, Panagiotis Vlatos and Yoann Paillot should make for some very nice support riders.
Now I only need Alexis Gougeard to fully develop from my talents pool season, and then decide whether or not to gamble with Zhihui Jiang aswell as a leadout for Coquard in the future.
Having just 21 riders atm, with Gasparotto, Ricco and possibly Eibegger leaving, though I need to look into strengthening some areas *Eagerly looking at the database* - Hmm what to do, and who to annoy
I guess benoot wont be upgraded as there are a lot of great belgian riders already, so then you just have to decide... If he's important enough for you to quit the game, good luck...
If he keeps irl he can just be released and upgraded in a few years, when others have lost stats
Belgian talents like what? Best unmaxed Belgian is Declerq ffs.
Other than that Wellens, De Bie, Vanbilsen and Asbroeck maxed this year. So called ''talents'' all already 25 or 26, and neither is going win shit all.
Lame excuse really. But whatever I think we know clear reasons not to use lame excuses like this
roturn wrote:
As Heine said. Belgium has a lot of talents already and there just was no room for another big one this season at least.
Similar in GB with Tao Geoghan Hart or France with Latour, which were not added!
Could you explain why this is relevant? Belgium and France are maybe the 2 biggest cycling countries, so I don't see why adding 1 talent to a country would be such a gamebreaker.
Alternatively, could lowering an extremely overrated rider in FA like Baugnies compensate this so we can have a realistic Benoot?
Talents might have been the wrong word. I don`t mean unmaxed riders only but in general younger riders, that will still be high in their stats for quite some time.
roturn wrote:
As Heine said. Belgium has a lot of talents already and there just was no room for another big one this season at least.
Similar in GB with Tao Geoghan Hart or France with Latour, which were not added!
Could you explain why this is relevant? Belgium and France are maybe the 2 biggest cycling countries, so I don't see why adding 1 talent to a country would be such a gamebreaker.
Alternatively, could lowering an extremely overrated rider in FA like Baugnies compensate this so we can have a realistic Benoot?
Hence Belgium and France also belong to the biggest and best Nations in the MG as well.
And also MG is not RL to 100%. Riders like Baugnies have a history in the MG and in those cases "replacing" someone like Baugnies with Benoot as strong rider, would somehow steal that history.
Riders were improved in case of RL results very often. But they don`t really get down in stats if the MG version is much better as the RL version. Otherwise we would need to stat down half of the DB.
Edited by roturn on 28-05-2016 13:53
roturn wrote:
As Heine said. Belgium has a lot of talents already and there just was no room for another big one this season at least.
Similar in GB with Tao Geoghan Hart or France with Latour, which were not added!
Could you explain why this is relevant? Belgium and France are maybe the 2 biggest cycling countries, so I don't see why adding 1 talent to a country would be such a gamebreaker.
Alternatively, could lowering an extremely overrated rider in FA like Baugnies compensate this so we can have a realistic Benoot?
Because it's completely unbalanced that way. France already has Sicard, Lecuisinier, Pinot and Barguil, so adding Latour is unnecessary. GB has Adam Yates, Faiers and Carthy, so adding Hart is unnecessary. Instead, its better to add talents from the less well represented countries, so that we don't end up with the PT being only the teams from Western Europe, the US and Russia, and give everyone a chance.
Plus, with top talents it's better to add them later on, as so many tend to fail to live up to expectations - in the DB you can already see this with the likes of Cattaneo, Morton and Guldhammer. Also, for a rider like Benoot, to be added realistically would mean adding him at Lvl 3 or 4, in order to get all of his stats in the right ball park, and he's too young to do that. Plus GVA is now basically the same rider as real life Benoot, just older.
jph27 wrote:
Because it's completely unbalanced that way. France already has Sicard, Lecuisinier, Pinot and Barguil, so adding Latour is unnecessary. GB has Adam Yates, Faiers and Carthy, so adding Hart is unnecessary. Instead, its better to add talents from the less well represented countries, so that we don't end up with the PT being only the teams from Western Europe, the US and Russia, and give everyone a chance.
Plus, with top talents it's better to add them later on, as so many tend to fail to live up to expectations - in the DB you can already see this with the likes of Cattaneo, Morton and Guldhammer. Also, for a rider like Benoot, to be added realistically would mean adding him at Lvl 3 or 4, in order to get all of his stats in the right ball park, and he's too young to do that. Plus GVA is now basically the same rider as real life Benoot, just older.
This.
Belgium has 26 riders in top 200 of CQ Rankings. According to OVL, we have 20 riders in the top 200 of our DB. Italy 27 vs 21. France 21 vs 16. Spain 22 vs 12. But Netherlands 12 vs 12. UK 11 vs 12. USA 4 vs 8, Norway 3 vs 7, Australia 7 vs 6, Russia 3 vs 3, Slovakia 1 vs 2, Czechia 4 vs 0, but we have in top 200 riders from Moldova, Estonia, China, Malaysia, Brazil, Cuba or Sweden. I say, why not? Top counties are still top countries, but not so dominant, but lesser countries are actually way more relevant. I think that it is better to have 5 or 10 less great riders from the biggest countries than in reality and having a good rider from worse cycling nations. And we have to react for needs of MG teams aswell. If there would be a team promoting cycling in currently non-represented countries of the world pro peloton, the amount of great riders would be surely better than it is right now. It is not too fun to have a few totally dominating countries. In the end real cycling is becoming more and more globalised sport too, so we are quite realistic with this.
And surely, some of the best riders in MG are way better than in reality, a few of them don't have realistic attributes at all, but in the end it is just a game. We should not just copy reality. Reality is not always fun, and it is quite hard to copy it too, as results are always changing and we are adding some riders maybe even for 15 years with the youngest riders. And as we don't want just to copy reality, the MG should have it's own history and some riders shouldn't be punished if they are not actually good in reality.
We are allowed to use the good things from reality and try to make some of the things more fun than it would otherwise be. And people mainly have bigger fun when they can have regional teams, when they can improve cyclists from small cycling nations, while we are keeping it at least semi-realistic. We can have more interesting Worlds or Conti-Champs too.
And as jph wrote, some of the riders are better added later, as they can have more realistic attributes when they are added with higher experience level or can be upgraded when it is needed. Maybe a time for a certain currently all-hype only rider from Belgium will come as well.
But isn't there a majority of Belgian and French teams compared to other Nationas as well? If I look at the flag list, I see a lot of them. In my opinion is making talents from lesser known nations stronger then they really are, a good thing for the balance of the game, but giving top talents rudiculously low stats for this reason seems a bit silly.
It's one rider, why is it so important that this specific single rider gets good stats? There's plenty of other riders who can replicated the Benoot-style of rider. There's other Belgians who can do the job. I don't get why it's an issue for one rider to be underrated in a fantasy game...
TheManxMissile wrote:
It's one rider, why is it so important that this specific single rider gets good stats? There's plenty of other riders who can replicated the Benoot-style of rider. There's other Belgians who can do the job. I don't get why it's an issue for one rider to be underrated in a fantasy game...
Ok, my mistake then, I thought MG was based on real cycling. But apparently it's only copying the names, birthdates and nationality. Fair enough, case closed.
TheManxMissile wrote:
It's one rider, why is it so important that this specific single rider gets good stats? There's plenty of other riders who can replicated the Benoot-style of rider. There's other Belgians who can do the job. I don't get why it's an issue for one rider to be underrated in a fantasy game...
Ok, my mistake then, I thought MG was based on real cycling. But apparently it's only copying the names, birthdates and nationality. Fair enough, case closed.
It is. Possibly 99% of riders from pro peloton are present in the DB and few people have spent quite a lot of time over the years with updating it. We are even upgrading some of riders, that have great results and are underrated in the DB to bring the better overall balance for the game. If you haven't noticed it, than I am really sorry. But copying reality 100% is not possible and we don't exactly want it either. Or tell me, can you predict how exactly the real peloton is going to look in 5 years? No, nobody can. It is not possible to have a DB that is really close to the reality, only semi-realistic DB is possible. And so the only possibility is to prepare the DB in a way, that allows us the biggest fun possible.
I never said you have to make it 100% accurate. Some riders don't live up to their early career expectations, others don't do much until they're 27-28. Marcel Kittel started off as a time trialer rather than a sprinter. No one is expecting everything to be 100% accurate, and the differences TMM describes are perfectly explainable this way. The issue I have is different though, I object against purposely giving riders bad stats and potential because of their nation.
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