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Giro d'Italia 2016 - Week 1 (6th - 15th May)
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| Strydz |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:34
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Luxemburger wrote:
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Well looks like Demare and FDJ did miss the last split in the peloton
He's back meanwhile.
Amador was also back, did somebody see him back in the peloton?
They pretty much all made it back on
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:36
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they are close to survive today |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:37
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Strydz wrote:
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Did you read the post? I said I would very much like to reduce PURE bunch sprints to 3-4, not remove the aspect all together.
In TDF, we have already seen reduced numbers of pure bunch sprints. And the Vuelta and Giro has never had a similiar emphasis on having pure bunch sprints.
Ahem, whats your point? I even noted in my post that we luckily are over the 9 days of flat and have been including small hills, cobbles etc. Again, did you read it? Seems like you didn't and just want to disagree.
There are 7 pure bunch sprints. I think 3-4 is better. Really nothing more to it, Waggy. 
Why do you keep saying that there are 7 pure sprint stages in this years Giro? There are 4 pure bunch sprint stages with the other 3 I'm assuming you class as pure sprint stages really aren't that, they all have opportunities for breakaway/attackers to get away or if raced hard to drop the out and out sprinters
There is at least 6, I'll give you that. Stage 2, 3, 7, 12, 17, 21. Can you tell me those of those which aren't then? |
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| SotD |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:40
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Riis123 wrote:
Fair enough.
I knew it would get a log of flag. When you are suggesting something new in the world of cycling, more than not, people don't agree. Its a traditionalist world. But I think it would make the product better.
It is not about tradition, but about balance. If you don't fancy flat stages there are plenty of other races you could watch. A Grand Tour invites all different kind of riders to ride, hence the name "Grand".
A "Grand" Tour without the likes of Sagan, Cavendish, Greipel, Kittel and similar types would not be Grand at all. It Would just be a Tour. Tour de Climbers. 21 days of riders finding hilly stages and TTs boring, just awaiting the mountains. Then we can take out the TTs because they are boring. Hell, let's just have 21 days strolling around the pyrenees. To be honest, that would kill the mood, and riders would ride passively. We need the balance to create a great race.
The point with moving abroad is clearly financial, but have a lot of secondary benefits aswell, most importantly, it spreads knowledge and interest of the sport to other countries.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:42
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Tjallingii could have 2 jerseys at the end of the stage
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:45
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and now they started to loose advantage |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:45
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SotD wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Fair enough.
I knew it would get a log of flag. When you are suggesting something new in the world of cycling, more than not, people don't agree. Its a traditionalist world. But I think it would make the product better.
It is not about tradition, but about balance. If you don't fancy flat stages there are plenty of other races you could watch. A Grand Tour invites all different kind of riders to ride, hence the name "Grand".
A "Grand" Tour without the likes of Sagan, Cavendish, Greipel, Kittel and similar types would not be Grand at all. It Would just be a Tour. Tour de Climbers. 21 days of riders finding hilly stages and TTs boring, just awaiting the mountains. Then we can take out the TTs because they are boring. Hell, let's just have 21 days strolling around the pyrenees. To be honest, that would kill the mood, and riders would ride passively. We need the balance to create a great race.
The point with moving abroad is clearly financial, but have a lot of secondary benefits aswell, most importantly, it spreads knowledge and interest of the sport to other countries.
You guys are still not really grasping what I am trying to say it seems
I dont want to go over and over it again, but I think the pure sprinters should work for their victories, but obviously, you also need a few completely flat stages where the result of a bunch sprint is inevitable - 3 or 4. Problem is with those, the result is a given I find it it extremely boring. No where have I said like you and Waghlon suggest that we completely abandon those flat stages. I just say, make them fewer and replace them with hillier stages with a hill or a few in the finale to make for an more unpredictable final. Thats all. Literally, all. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:48
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breakaway made a huge mistake there..of corse they would have been catched anyway |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:49
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Roglic down and a few guys look pretty sore from that crash
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:49
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Roglic crashed
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:51
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is Kittel involved as well? Etixx is gone
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| SotD |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:51
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Riis123 wrote:
SotD wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Fair enough.
I knew it would get a log of flag. When you are suggesting something new in the world of cycling, more than not, people don't agree. Its a traditionalist world. But I think it would make the product better.
It is not about tradition, but about balance. If you don't fancy flat stages there are plenty of other races you could watch. A Grand Tour invites all different kind of riders to ride, hence the name "Grand".
A "Grand" Tour without the likes of Sagan, Cavendish, Greipel, Kittel and similar types would not be Grand at all. It Would just be a Tour. Tour de Climbers. 21 days of riders finding hilly stages and TTs boring, just awaiting the mountains. Then we can take out the TTs because they are boring. Hell, let's just have 21 days strolling around the pyrenees. To be honest, that would kill the mood, and riders would ride passively. We need the balance to create a great race.
The point with moving abroad is clearly financial, but have a lot of secondary benefits aswell, most importantly, it spreads knowledge and interest of the sport to other countries.
You guys are still not really grasping what I am trying to say it seems
I dont want to go over and over it again, but I think the pure sprinters should work for their victories, but obviously, you also need a few completely flat stages where the result of a bunch sprint is inevitable - 3 or 4. Problem is with those, the result is a given I find it it extremely boring. No where have I said like you and Waghlon suggest that we completely abandon those flat stages. I just say, make them fewer and replace them with hillier stages with a hill or a few in the finale to make for an more unpredictable final. Thats all. Literally, all.
Yeah. And like I say, it's all about balance. Whether you have 0 or 3 sprint stages out of 21 doesn't matter. The best sprinters don't want to waste 21 days of top level on 3 stages, with no possibility to win the sprinters jersey - Hence the balance take on your "suggestion".
It's not about me not understanding what you say, but rather that you don't really want to understand why it's a shit idea.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:52
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how these big teams always manages to keep leaders at the front row...astana/ Movistar/ Tinkoff..and Trek today |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:53
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Riis123 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Did you read the post? I said I would very much like to reduce PURE bunch sprints to 3-4, not remove the aspect all together.
In TDF, we have already seen reduced numbers of pure bunch sprints. And the Vuelta and Giro has never had a similiar emphasis on having pure bunch sprints.
Ahem, whats your point? I even noted in my post that we luckily are over the 9 days of flat and have been including small hills, cobbles etc. Again, did you read it? Seems like you didn't and just want to disagree.
There are 7 pure bunch sprints. I think 3-4 is better. Really nothing more to it, Waggy.
Why do you keep saying that there are 7 pure sprint stages in this years Giro? There are 4 pure bunch sprint stages with the other 3 I'm assuming you class as pure sprint stages really aren't that, they all have opportunities for breakaway/attackers to get away or if raced hard to drop the out and out sprinters
There is at least 6, I'll give you that. Stage 2, 3, 7, 12, 17, 21. Can you tell me those of those which aren't then?
Okay closer look at it and I'll say 5 sprint stages but I think a break can survive stage 7 especially if the days leading up to it take a sprinter or 2 out of the race or some of the Doms
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:54
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nobody even chasing anymore
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:54
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Kittel is there at the front..Ettix taking a break before final drag |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:54
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44 sec. against 1 guy..it is easy |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:54
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This still might be tight as peloton hesitated a bit after the crash.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:55
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Guido Mukk wrote:
how these big teams always manages to keep leaders at the front row...astana/ Movistar/ Tinkoff..and Trek today
Cannondale has also done a good job looking after Uran
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
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Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 15:55
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SotD wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
SotD wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Fair enough.
I knew it would get a log of flag. When you are suggesting something new in the world of cycling, more than not, people don't agree. Its a traditionalist world. But I think it would make the product better.
It is not about tradition, but about balance. If you don't fancy flat stages there are plenty of other races you could watch. A Grand Tour invites all different kind of riders to ride, hence the name "Grand".
A "Grand" Tour without the likes of Sagan, Cavendish, Greipel, Kittel and similar types would not be Grand at all. It Would just be a Tour. Tour de Climbers. 21 days of riders finding hilly stages and TTs boring, just awaiting the mountains. Then we can take out the TTs because they are boring. Hell, let's just have 21 days strolling around the pyrenees. To be honest, that would kill the mood, and riders would ride passively. We need the balance to create a great race.
The point with moving abroad is clearly financial, but have a lot of secondary benefits aswell, most importantly, it spreads knowledge and interest of the sport to other countries.
You guys are still not really grasping what I am trying to say it seems
I dont want to go over and over it again, but I think the pure sprinters should work for their victories, but obviously, you also need a few completely flat stages where the result of a bunch sprint is inevitable - 3 or 4. Problem is with those, the result is a given I find it it extremely boring. No where have I said like you and Waghlon suggest that we completely abandon those flat stages. I just say, make them fewer and replace them with hillier stages with a hill or a few in the finale to make for an more unpredictable final. Thats all. Literally, all.
Yeah. And like I say, it's all about balance. Whether you have 0 or 3 sprint stages out of 21 doesn't matter. The best sprinters don't want to waste 21 days of top level on 3 stages, with no possibility to win the sprinters jersey - Hence the balance take on your "suggestion".
It's not about me not understanding what you say, but rather that you don't really want to understand why it's a shit idea.
Ok.
So, throwing a hill in on 3-4 stages that previously would have been completely flat is shitty? Fine you disagree, but I would appreciate if you refrain from calling an idea shitty because it doesnt float your boat. |
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