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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
Tafiolmo
Posted on 23-04-2016 20:13
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
No big changes at the moment till after LBL, but I'm expecting some drops for a lot of bigger hill stat riders who haven't performed. The only changes I've made have been Barguil to 77, Gasparotto to 78 (provisional) an upgrade for Woods and a number of Cofidis guys that did very well to the region of 75. Also lots of smaller riders have got stat increases as well.
Valgren?
He'll be 76 hills 70 Res and 75 Sta
I thought he is not gonna get upgraded.Because you didn't write him.And he deserved to get upgraded.That is why I asked.
Ah ok, well as you can see he's definitely had a decent upgrade for AG.
TimoCycling
Posted on 24-04-2016 16:28
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Impressive ride by Poels today! Deserves an update for sure!
Also I typed it before but Huun Duyn again strong with a 31st place in LBL today, deserves upgrade IMO.
PeterRyder
Posted on 24-04-2016 16:57
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Poels 79 and Rui Costa 80 imo.
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Selwink
Posted on 24-04-2016 16:59
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I don't see why Poels should be lower than Costa.
Arberg27
Posted on 24-04-2016 17:08
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Op: Poels, Albasini, Samuel Sanchez, Gasparotto, Valgren, Alaphilippe
Down: Kwiatkowski, Gilbert, Moreno, Gerrans, Nibali, RodrÃguez
Edited by Arberg27 on 24-04-2016 17:31
Arberg27
Posted on 24-04-2016 17:14
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Yes also 4 in La Flèche Wallonne
MARSUPILAMI
Posted on 24-04-2016 17:22
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Arberg27 wrote:
Op: Poels, Albasini, Samuel Sanchez, Gasparotto, Valgren
Down: Kwiatkowski, Gilbert, Moreno, Gerrans, Nibali,
Purito
AiZaK
Posted on 24-04-2016 19:40
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My opinion in Hills:
82 - Valverde
81 - Alaphilippe
80 - Joaquin Rodriguez, Dan Martin, Rui Costa
79 - Gerrans, Gilbert, Dani Moreno, Kwiatkowski, Henao, Vuillermoz, Nibali, Kreuziger, Zakarin, Gasparotto, Poels
78 - Porte, Wellens, Urán, Esteban Chaves, Fuglsang, Contador, Bardet, Froome, Pozzovivo, Diego Rosa, Aru, Mollema, Ulissi, Slagter, Kelderman, Albasini, Samuel Sanchez, Barguil
77 - Vanendert, Nieve, Pinot, Giampaolo Caruso, Valgren, Visconti, Vakoc, Ion Izaguirre, Luis Leon Sanchez, Teuns, Kangert
AndreasEng
Posted on 24-04-2016 19:46
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AiZaK wrote:
My opinion in Hills:
82 - Valverde
81 - Alaphilippe
80 - Joaquin Rodriguez, Dan Martin, Rui Costa
79 - Gerrans, Gilbert, Dani Moreno, Kwiatkowski, Henao, Vuillermoz, Nibali, Kreuziger, Zakarin, Gasparotto, Poels
78 - Porte, Wellens, Urán, Esteban Chaves, Fuglsang, Contador, Bardet, Froome, Pozzovivo, Diego Rosa, Aru, Mollema, Ulissi, Slagter, Kelderman, Albasini, Samuel Sanchez, Barguil
77 - Vanendert, Nieve, Pinot, Giampaolo Caruso, Valgren, Visconti, Vakoc, Ion Izaguirre, Luis Leon Sanchez, Teuns, Kangert
Contador and Quintana is at least 79, there is no way Nibali, Zakarin and Kreuziger is better on hils than Contador and Quintana...
PeterRyder
Posted on 24-04-2016 19:48
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Because thi is the first big Ardennes season from Poels while Costa as been consistant for many years now...
Kiserlovski01
Posted on 24-04-2016 19:51
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PeterRyder wrote:
Because thi is the first big Ardennes season from Poels while Costa as been consistant for many years now...
That would only make sense if Costa had shown to be capable of dropping Poels.
Ollfardh
Posted on 24-04-2016 19:54
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Uran 78 still might be over the top, I definitely rate Albasini higher and I would still put Gilbert over Costa in the top 5. Although Rodriguez is also heavily declining in my opinion.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
AiZaK
Posted on 24-04-2016 19:55
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AndreasEng wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
My opinion in Hills:
82 - Valverde
81 - Alaphilippe
80 - Joaquin Rodriguez, Dan Martin, Rui Costa
79 - Gerrans, Gilbert, Dani Moreno, Kwiatkowski, Henao, Vuillermoz, Nibali, Kreuziger, Zakarin, Gasparotto, Poels
78 - Porte, Wellens, Urán, Esteban Chaves, Fuglsang, Contador, Bardet, Froome, Pozzovivo, Diego Rosa, Aru, Mollema, Ulissi, Slagter, Kelderman, Albasini, Samuel Sanchez, Barguil
77 - Vanendert, Nieve, Pinot, Giampaolo Caruso, Valgren, Visconti, Vakoc, Ion Izaguirre, Luis Leon Sanchez, Teuns, Kangert
Contador and Quintana is at least 79, there is no way Nibali, Zakarin and Kreuziger is better on hils than Contador and Quintana...
If you give Contador, Quintana and Froome 79 in hills, many riders must be 80/81, Alaphilipe 82 and Valverde 83 in hills
Anderis
Posted on 24-04-2016 20:29
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Ollfardh wrote:
Uran 78 still might be over the top, I definitely rate Albasini higher and I would still put Gilbert over Costa in the top 5. Although Rodriguez is also heavily declining in my opinion.
Uran is hard to judge because he didn't participate in a single race in Ardennes since 2013.
But he won GP Cycliste de Quebec last year and ended up top20 in both CQ and UCI WT rankings so you need to be careful with him not ending up underpowered.
TheManxMissile
Posted on 24-04-2016 20:32
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Uran at 78 is about right. The Ardennes arn't theonly hills Rigo has good results in Canada (Hilly rated in PCM), as well as good consistent results in a wide range of hilly stages in stage races. He's not an Ardennes style Puncher, but PCM doesn't allow us other options than to give Rigo a high HL stat.
Ollfardh
Posted on 24-04-2016 20:33
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Anderis wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Uran 78 still might be over the top, I definitely rate Albasini higher and I would still put Gilbert over Costa in the top 5. Although Rodriguez is also heavily declining in my opinion.
Uran is hard to judge because he didn't participate in a single race in Ardennes since 2013.
But he won GP Cycliste de Quebec last year and ended up top20 in both CQ and UCI WT rankings so you need to be careful with him not ending up underpowered.
Ah yes, I forgot about that Quebec win. Still, he's one of those guys I would not even consider for these races anymore, as he's even strugling for good results in stage races.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
Arberg27
Posted on 24-04-2016 21:10
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82 - Valverde
81 - Alaphilippe, D.Martin
80 - Poels, Albasini, Gasparotto
79 - Samuel Sánchez, Rodriguez, Gilbert, Rui Costa, Henao
78 - Valgren, Vuillermoz, Kreuziger, Zakarin, Barguil, Ulissi, Froome, Contador
77 - Moreno, Matthews, Gerrans, Kwiatkowski, Chaves, Quintana, Nibali, Mollema, Rosa
Edited by Arberg27 on 24-04-2016 21:17
trekbmc
Posted on 24-04-2016 21:22
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Arberg27 wrote:
85 - Gasparotto
82 - Valverde
81 - Alaphilippe, D.Martin
80 - Poels, Albasini
79 - Samuel Sánchez, Rodriguez, Gilbert, Rui Costa, Henao
78 - Valgren, Vuillermoz, Kreuziger, Zakarin, Barguil, Ulissi, Froome, Contador
77 - Moreno, Matthews, Gerrans, Kwiatkowski, Chaves, Quintana, Nibali, Mollema, Rosa
Fixed it for you.
"What done is, is one." - Benji Naesen
PeterRyder
Posted on 24-04-2016 21:28
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Kiserlovski01 wrote:
PeterRyder wrote:
Because thi is the first big Ardennes season from Poels while Costa as been consistant for many years now...
That would only make sense if Costa had shown to be capable of dropping Poels.
And when did Poels drop Costa?
Arberg27
Posted on 24-04-2016 21:42
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trekbmc wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
85 - Gasparotto
82 - Valverde
81 - Alaphilippe, D.Martin
80 - Poels, Albasini
79 - Samuel Sánchez, Rodriguez, Gilbert, Rui Costa, Henao
78 - Valgren, Vuillermoz, Kreuziger, Zakarin, Barguil, Ulissi, Froome, Contador
77 - Moreno, Matthews, Gerrans, Kwiatkowski, Chaves, Quintana, Nibali, Mollema, Rosa
Fixed it for you.
No he did not win all as Gilbert in 2011, but 1st Amstel Gold Race, 5th Fleche Wallonne La and 12th Liège - Bastogne - Liège is more than enough to 80.
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