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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Torpedo Tom |
Posted on 15-04-2016 16:47
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emre99 meant the vuillermoz update i think 
but i don t remember myself the date...
EDIT: it was on 31/03/2015
haasje33 wrote:
Bugfix Vuillermoz and Myngheer
Here's a quick bugfix, which fixes the HI stat of Vuillermoz and deletes R.I.P. Myngheer (RLM). It also corrects the frame brand of Tre Berg - Bianchi.
Put it in Documents\Pro Cycling Manager 2015\Mod\Database and overwrite the existing database. |
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| irdalopez |
Posted on 16-04-2016 17:05
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Update Ivan Garcia Cortina (Klein Constantia) 4 times top3 this season, 7 times top5, 12 times top10 (8 Ronde van Vlaanderen Beloften).
All riders of Klein Constantia could be updated. Good season. |
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| AndreasEng |
Posted on 17-04-2016 17:19
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Soo Valgren 77 hill and a boost in endurance? |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 17-04-2016 18:24
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irdalopez wrote:
Update Ivan Garcia Cortina (Klein Constantia) 4 times top3 this season, 7 times top5, 12 times top10 (8 Ronde van Vlaanderen Beloften).
All riders of Klein Constantia could be updated. Good season.
Garcia Cortina is already updated in our db for the next stat update...also more riders from Klein Constantia upgraded for the next update :)
but well spotted, despite me telling that we already implemented this one it´s always good to have guys looking at CT level races and telling about guys we should think of updating...we appreciate every kind of suggestions :)
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| Anderis |
Posted on 17-04-2016 22:13
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I think Alberto Bettiol might deserve a small upgrade.
37th in Amstel Gold Race.
14th on the hardest stage of Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde
Last year 10th in Giro del Piemonte and 16th overall in Tour of Britain with some top10 on stages.
Also 32nd in Plouay and 25th in Vattenfall.
70 flat
69 hill
66-67 cobble
69-70 endurance
or something like that...
Edited by Anderis on 17-04-2016 22:18
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 17-04-2016 22:52
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With those results I think maybe fine with 72/73 in hills |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 17-04-2016 23:10
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Hey guys I really wouldn't get carried away with the results from AG as this year's edition was extremely odd with riders like Colbrelli and Coquard finishing 3rd and 4th and Vanmarcke arriving at the foot of the final climb etc.
The simple fact is, that AG is an extremely unique race and all the versions of the race I've played, kind of fail to recreate it properly in general. If there existed more types of climbing stats like steep hill and soft hill, then it could be better recreated in the stats. The nearest we can get is trying to identify a hill climber with both good flat and RES with good STA as the most likely to win or even a sprinter that can climb pretty well.
The hill stat works much better for both races like the FW and LBL.
Despite all this riders like Valgren have been upgraded etc but the main hill stat increases and decreases will come with FW and LBL.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-04-2016 00:40
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Valgren 85 hill?
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 18-04-2016 08:57
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Are you going to give some points in hills to Coquard and Collbrely??? |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 18-04-2016 11:22
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I would, it's still a hilly race no mather what. And Vanmarcke can do hills as well, he has some results in the Canadian classics iirc. I think everyone who finished in the main group should be given at least 72-73 hill, even if it was a bit of an odd race.
Tosh Van der Sande also had a strong race, despite the lack of result, he might deserve an update as well.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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Posted on 23-11-2024 11:43
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| matt17br |
Posted on 18-04-2016 11:32
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Coquard and Colbrelli have in fact been given boosts in hill, would be crazy not to, wouldn't it?
Have to be careful with them though since they are both PCT riders, which means that they can potentially score too many points in lower races.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 18-04-2016 11:40
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And Gasparotto I would give 79 in hills |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 18-04-2016 12:21
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You would give him the same as Henao, Nibali, Rui Costa and Vuillermoz for beating Valgren, Colbrelli and Coquard?
I mean he still won a WT Ardennes event, but his ascent up Cauberg was the slowest since 2009, and it would be very different if anyone tried to follow him. This doesn't take any presige away from his victory obviously, but let's try not to be too extreme with stats, especially when we're talking about a PCT rider who would basically win every single hilly race with 79 hill.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 18-04-2016 12:51
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Well Henao and Costa were there, but couldn't respond. So that means something for me. On the other hand, no Valverde, Gilbert and Martin, the direct opposition he was facing were Valgren and Bakelants. I would put him at 77-78, and only raise further if he can show more. I seem to recall a 3rd place from him in L-B-L, so it's not impossible.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| togo95 |
Posted on 18-04-2016 12:56
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The problem for Gasparotto is that he does feature in the continental scene, getting top 10 or top 20 places regularly, but is hardly dominating it. His last win was actually the Amstel in 2012.
Ollfardh wrote:
Well Henao and Costa were there, but couldn't respond. So that means something for me.
It means something, but not necessarily in relation to the HIL stat. Those guys don't have a high HIL stat for their results in Amstel.
Edited by togo95 on 18-04-2016 13:03
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 18-04-2016 13:16
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In don't think you should change him drastically for one result in 3/4 years.
Keep him in the mid 70's so he has the potential to challenge with training camps and excellent form. You don't want to make him one of the top riders for one win. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 18-04-2016 13:22
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ringo182 wrote:
In don't think you should change him drastically for one result in 3/4 years.
Keep him in the mid 70's so he has the potential to challenge with training camps and excellent form. You don't want to make him one of the top riders for one win.
He was pretty good last wednesday as well. And yes, no result in 3/4 years, but if we look 1 year further..
And I don't think we should take training camps into account when making stats, but maybe that's just me. Wait and see until next sunday would still be my advice, but I would give him 77 based on this week.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 18-04-2016 13:29
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Ollfardh wrote:
He was pretty good last wednesday as well. And yes, no result in 3/4 years, but if we look 1 year further..
By wednesday you mena Brabanste, where he was good but roundly beaten by Vakoc. That said Enrico did get 4 Top10 finishes in Catalunya, so when he's in form he apparently is pretty good this year.
I still havn't seen anything to give him much above 75/76 though. Certainly when you look at his 2015 or 2014 results. AGR is always kind of an outlier for him, a good result here is standard for Enrico.
If we go back 3/4 years though, then we open a whole can of worms on stats. Tom Boonen stakes a claim to being given the best stats of all cobbles contenders. Bradley Wiggins one of the top time trialists and stage racers.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 18-04-2016 13:38
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Gasparotto will be 77 and he has good backup stats as well. specially considering that he won this race from a bunch of riders that had between 77 to 74 hill stat.
If he does well as said already in FW and LBL like finishing near the big hill stat riders then he'll be increased.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 18-04-2016 13:41
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
He was pretty good last wednesday as well. And yes, no result in 3/4 years, but if we look 1 year further..
By wednesday you mena Brabanste, where he was good but roundly beaten by Vakoc. That said Enrico did get 4 Top10 finishes in Catalunya, so when he's in form he apparently is pretty good this year.
I still havn't seen anything to give him much above 75/76 though. Certainly when you look at his 2015 or 2014 results. AGR is always kind of an outlier for him, a good result here is standard for Enrico.
If we go back 3/4 years though, then we open a whole can of worms on stats. Tom Boonen stakes a claim to being given the best stats of all cobbles contenders. Bradley Wiggins one of the top time trialists and stage racers.
Well the point was that it's easy to say he has "no result since". But he did win Gold Race and podium LBL that year. We had some crazy suggestions about for example Erviti as well, but the difference is Erviti has no previous results while Gaspa does have them, even if it's a few years ago. And that Gaspa was the strongest in the race (in my opinion), which can't be said from Erviti.
And for me personaly, Boonen is still great on the cobbles as long as there are no hills involved, as is Wiggins when it come to time trials. I would rate both much higher than the 77 I would give Gasparotto.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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