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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| pokwa |
Posted on 25-03-2016 19:05
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Yeah, but we you should absolutely improve Kwiato cobbles to at least 76. If he will be again that strong in Flanders, then I think even more. By the way I think his PRL and TT should be dropped by 1 or 2 to 79/80 and 75/76 |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 25-03-2016 19:07
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pokwa wrote:
Yeah, but we you should absolutely improve Kwiato cobbles to at least 76. If he will be again that strong in Flanders, then I think even more. By the way I think his PRL and TT should be dropped by 1 or 2 to 79/80 and 75/76
He has been upped to 77, each time he went up cobbles he didn't disappoint. His TT and PRL have also been dropped beforehand, they now are respectively 75 and 79 
Edited by matt17br on 25-03-2016 19:37
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 25-03-2016 19:10
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Spilak23 wrote:
I don't think you should lower his stats after today. This was the strongest he ever looked in a cobbled classic
Well his main stats haven't been touched. His STA was altered some time ago as to give him a slight weakness in the game (as he's generally stronger in game than in real life) Will now be interesting to see how he goes at GW and especially Flanders and Roubaix in relation to his STA stat.
The bigger questions for the cobble stat today was how well Kwiat went in contrast to how badly kristoff went. In Kwiat's case if the hill stat were used in these races then that would be a great solution to combine with his cobble, as for Kristoff I think it was just a very bad day.
@Ian Butler Good point about Sagan there but something hard to incorporate in the stats. If rider's favourite races could be included in pre-race form then that would be ideal.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 25-03-2016 19:21
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Sagan is not 83 acc |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 25-03-2016 19:27
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Can't you make some attempt to actually give constructive responses, rather than abstract ones.
You've been warned about your trolling, so try and make some effort.
Thank You.
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| emre99 |
Posted on 25-03-2016 21:39
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What about kwiatek, lets see his results in RvV and GW so that an upgrade may come.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 25-03-2016 22:02
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emre99 wrote:
What about kwiatek, lets see his results in RvV and GW so that an upgrade may come.
From 75 to 77 cobble now and as said best wait till Flanders to see how good he really is, I remember though he rode well at Flanders in 2013 before cracking quite late in the race.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 26-03-2016 08:51
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Tafiolmo wrote:
emre99 wrote:
What about kwiatek, lets see his results in RvV and GW so that an upgrade may come.
From 75 to 77 cobble now and as said best wait till Flanders to see how good he really is, I remember though he rode well at Flanders in 2013 before cracking quite late in the race.
That was from the breakaway and he just kept riding, he was just one of those allrounders who could do anything, but since Quick Step had enough cobblers, they sent him to the Ardennes.
About Sagan, the more I think about it, the more I'm against declining him. He was one of the best guys in the race, but Kwiat surprised him (as well as us, let's be honest). Both Stybar and Trentin cracked when trying to follow them and the chasing group with guys liek Terpstra, Boonen, Vandenbergh, Stybar riding could not get them back.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| King-Nibali |
Posted on 26-03-2016 09:05
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I agree with Ollfardh. If Sagan is to be lowered in any way, so is quite a lot of the other classics riders. Kwiatkowski and Sagan kept half a Etixx team behind them, and Sagan clearly did a lot of work in maintaining their lead.
Both Kwiatkowski and Sagan were very impressive and must be considered some kind of favourites in Flanders. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 26-03-2016 09:34
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Just to clarify that there are no plans to lower Sagan at all after E3. His only downgrade since the last update has been in STA to 77 and that was done a few weeks ago. Which was to demonstrate that he doesn't finish longer races as well as he should.
@Olifardh
Yes Kwiat was the rider left from that break in 2013 and if I remember correctly he was still with Cancellara, Sagan and Roelandts well into the race.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 26-03-2016 09:51
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I'll make this clear, Sagan has shown he's been the strongest in both the classics he's come 2nd: we are by no means lowering him for that reason. The reason we lowered his stamina by 1 point is because he simply is too strong in the game compared to real life.
Edited by matt17br on 26-03-2016 11:06
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 26-03-2016 13:28
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Sagan can everything, except winning. |
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| Martii_Scots01 |
Posted on 26-03-2016 15:05
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Seriously mate, this has gone past stupid. All you are doing in this thread is creating posts that go around in circles with each other. Sagan can win, it's just because he does too much work in races where he is a favourite that he loses all the time. You've already been warned for spamming, so just stop it. Your claims about Sagan not being able to win regularly are true, it's simply for other reasons than what you believe. |
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| bongobongo |
Posted on 26-03-2016 15:16
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Sagan has more than 70 professional wins (still more wins than 2nd places as well)  |
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| DiCyc |
Posted on 26-03-2016 17:49
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Spoiler 
+ 77 other wins
Anyway, I think that Wouter Poels should get a small rise in the fighter stat? |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 26-03-2016 17:56
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And Maurice Garin has won Tour De France. So according to your logic he can still win Tour de france. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 26-03-2016 18:02
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Arberg27 wrote:
And Maurice Garin has won Tour De France. So according to your logic he can still win Tour de france.
That's the best you've got?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 26-03-2016 18:07
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Arberg27 wrote:
And Maurice Garin has won Tour De France. So according to your logic he can still win Tour de france.
Why didn't you just bring it into a circle again if you haven't got anymore arguments?
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| DiCyc |
Posted on 26-03-2016 18:15
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Arberg27 wrote:
And Maurice Garin has won Tour De France. So according to your logic he can still win Tour de france.
No, because he is dead
But I meant that you can't make that conclusion because of (except you have been in a time traveller) you don't know how the future will be. Maybe he will win Gent - Wevelgem, maybe he will win the Slovak NC, nobody know that.
And if you have been second 6 times in a season, I believe that there must be a win soon. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 26-03-2016 18:16
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Like Roche, Poels has also had a couple of points increase in his FS. I think both these riders when not strictly in the service of Froome, have a free card to go on the attack if they feel good.
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