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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 15-03-2016 16:33
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We could boost Konovalovas* by that logic.
*I mean Kiriyienka.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 16:56
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Since Wiggins became world champion, has been equal between Cancellara, Kiryienka, Dumoulin, Dennis, Tony, Malori. Where they switched to win, where form of day has been crucial. So I would make them equal good and let form of day and your abilities to play PCM decide who wins. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 17:48
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Arberg27 wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
We should upgrade him when he does that crazy stuff, not when we think he might do it. Not like Kittel who, in my opinion, got that sprint upgrade too soon this year. He's already best time trial and prologue rider, better than Tony Martin at least.
ban pls
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 19:32
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Paul23 wrote:
Kittel totally deserved that sprint upgrade. If he is sprinting, he's most likely to beat anyone. The problem is that he gets dropped too soon. True. But all his other stats are too good, you said self why.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 19:34
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Paul23 wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
We should upgrade him when he does that crazy stuff, not when we think he might do it. Not like Kittel who, in my opinion, got that sprint upgrade too soon this year. He's already best time trial and prologue rider, better than Tony Martin at least.
ban pls What has Tony Martin won, that makes him better than Cancellara? Cancellara has won so much more also in 2016. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 15-03-2016 19:54
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You do realize that a lot of riders peak at different times of the year. The spring classics are the main aim of Cancellara and not so much for Martin. So to use the argument about who has won more at the start of the season is actually a weak argument.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 15-03-2016 20:00
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Cance has won more than Froome this year. I guess Cance should get higher MO.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 20:39
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Tafiolmo wrote:
You do realize that a lot of riders peak at different times of the year. The spring classics are the main aim of Cancellara and not so much for Martin. So to use the argument about who has won more at the start of the season is actually a weak argument. https://velomotion.de/2016/01/tony-mar...forderung/
What won the Tony Martin last year ? Kiryienka is world champion and Dennis beat speed record.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 20:41
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Waghlon wrote:
Cance has won more than Froome this year. I guess Cance should get higher MO. Cancellara has not won mountain stage, Froome has. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 15-03-2016 20:45
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But he has won more Hilly stages than Sagan so... that's a switch of the HL stat
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 20:48
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Yes. |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 15-03-2016 20:55
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Tony Martin, compared to Cancellara and Dumoulin, who currently both have 81 prologue, has a lower stat in that very terrain. You are definitely underestimating the effect of that one, which influences results until the 18th kilometer of a tt, which is 75% of the tts in the calendar nowadays.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 15-03-2016 20:59
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Arberg27 wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
Cance has won more than Froome this year. I guess Cance should get higher MO. Cancellara has not won mountain stage, Froome has.
Yeah, but it was in the Herald Sun Tour....
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 21:07
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Arberg27 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
You do realize that a lot of riders peak at different times of the year. The spring classics are the main aim of Cancellara and not so much for Martin. So to use the argument about who has won more at the start of the season is actually a weak argument. https://velomotion.de/2016/01/tony-mar...forderung/
What won the Tony Martin last year ? Kiryienka is world champion and Dennis beat speed record.
Yeah, and there he beat Martin, right  |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 15-03-2016 21:07
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Arberg27 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
You do realize that a lot of riders peak at different times of the year. The spring classics are the main aim of Cancellara and not so much for Martin. So to use the argument about who has won more at the start of the season is actually a weak argument. https://velomotion.de/2016/01/tony-mar...forderung/
What won the Tony Martin last year ? Kiryienka is world champion and Dennis beat speed record.
I'm not sure why you're even bringing this up as Cancellara has the equal highest prologue in the game and so far most TT's have been shorter ones anyway, which means in game that the prologue stat will be the dominant stat for these TT's.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 21:12
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Arberg27 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
You do realize that a lot of riders peak at different times of the year. The spring classics are the main aim of Cancellara and not so much for Martin. So to use the argument about who has won more at the start of the season is actually a weak argument. https://velomotion.de/2016/01/tony-mar...forderung/
What won the Tony Martin last year ? Kiryienka is world champion and Dennis beat speed record.
Tony Martin won more cobbled stages last year than Cance...how about that?
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 15-03-2016 21:37
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Guys pls, just suck it up and move on 
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| DiCyc |
Posted on 16-03-2016 09:29
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Seriously should Geniez get a small TT raise? |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 16-03-2016 12:17
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He already has along with Caruso, the other surprise in the top 10 of that TT.
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| clamel |
Posted on 16-03-2016 21:58
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Endless talk about the top riders in the peloton, when no-one knows why they do this or that.
However the stat on lesser known riders still lacks.
You might have seen what came 2md in Nokere sprint. That young guy is ranked last in his mediocre team as sprinter. Well we all know that that's a huge stat error IMHO.
He did pretty well in Roubaix juniors a couple of years ago, so the cobbles was no surprise to him. Jokers website issue him as the man they rode for in a sprint. They might know too, Time for a slight increase perhaps, 62 acc- 61 sprint looks a bit low, OR ??
Not easy to find these hidden jewels among the lesser known teams to be sure, but I think more time should be spent on looking up those teams and their riders instead of argue about some 1-2 up/down stats among the world stars. They might have had an argument with their wife in the morning, spoiling the bad day. (Not any stat I know) 
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