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Tirreno - Adriatico 2016
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 14-03-2016 18:51
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well it's not unusual for Tirreno to be kinda wierd with it's winner. the 2008 and 2005 editions come to mind 
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 14-03-2016 18:53
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
well it's not unusual for Tirreno to be kinda wierd with it's winner. the 2008 and 2005 editions come to mind
2008 might be, but wasn't 2005 designed for sprinters?
Actually, from 2005 backwards, Tirreno was a sprinters paradise. |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 14-03-2016 19:05
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Miguel98 wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
well it's not unusual for Tirreno to be kinda wierd with it's winner. the 2008 and 2005 editions come to mind
2008 might be, but wasn't 2005 designed for sprinters?
Actually, from 2005 backwards, Tirreno was a sprinters paradise.
really? honestly didn't know that. should have gussed when you have Petacchi as second and Hondo as third.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 14-03-2016 19:26
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Tirreno used to be a prep race for Milan - San Remo, sprinters/classic guys paradise.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 14-03-2016 19:29
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why did that change? The WT could probably do with a sprinters focussed stage race and that does sound a nice idea.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 14-03-2016 19:50
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It wasn't sprinter focused. It had 3 or 4 stages like today's stage or the stage Stybar won with a more classic hilly finale. ONly the best climbing sprinters could compete like Freire and Petacchi. They went up against all different classic riders. Liked it much more that way than with the TTT and the MTF.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-03-2016 22:29
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Should be back like this.
Then also we'd have the top GC riders in the same race, P-N, while classics types in Tirreno. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 14-03-2016 23:54
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Ian Butler wrote:
Should be back like this.
Then also we'd have the top GC riders in the same race, P-N, while classics types in Tirreno.
imo there shouldn't be any big mountains in Paris-Nice either. Maybe a small HTF like mont brouilly or Mont Faron or Croix neuve but no 15 km climbs. Keep the gap small for the final weekend with stages to Cannes and Nice over Tanneron and Eze.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 03:03
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I disagree, a world tour stage race with true mountains is needed in a race like Paris-Nice. Stage racers of that kind have had not races like it until now, and with the nuances we've continually seen in Catalunya, and a good number of stage racers in the Ardennes during Pais Vasco, it is necessary to have a WT mountainous stage race before the quick wind up to the Giro with Romandie (which likewise tends to garner people like Zakarin into weird results)
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 15-03-2016 07:01
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What a powerful kick from Sagan and yet his nemesis storming from the slipstream to grab the win. 
Great final kilometres, i like stages like these much more than mountain top finishes, so i would be all in for one more rolling stage instead of cancelled stage for next editions.
Final TT are basically two long straights, so not technical enough for Sagan to gain advantage over GVA, so i expect him to win the GC and Jungels coming close.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 15-03-2016 08:34
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jihardy wrote:
According to my calculations, that is the 82nd time Sagan has finished second
I have read about this being 2nd place nr. 69, as far as stage results are counted...
Still, he is imo closing on 200 stage podiums. 
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 08:58
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
jihardy wrote:
According to my calculations, that is the 82nd time Sagan has finished second
I have read about this being 2nd place nr. 69, as far as stage results are counted...
Still, he is imo closing on 200 stage podiums.
I think at some point people need to start questioning his tactical knowledge. Someone needs to sit down with him and tell him what he needs to do in the last 5/10km of races. If any other rider got into a winning position and lost so often then there would be serious questions asked. He seems to get away with it though because he's "a bit of a character". |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 15-03-2016 09:02
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ringo182 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
jihardy wrote:
According to my calculations, that is the 82nd time Sagan has finished second
I have read about this being 2nd place nr. 69, as far as stage results are counted...
Still, he is imo closing on 200 stage podiums.
I think at some point people need to start questioning his tactical knowledge. Someone needs to sit down with him and tell him what he needs to do in the last 5/10km of races. If any other rider got into a winning position and lost so often then there would be serious questions asked. He seems to get away with it though because he's "a bit of a character".
I had to downvote you mate. I hope something you mentioned will not happen, because it would be only bad to try and change how he rides. I actually want to see Sagan riding like this (ofc i would not be unhappy with few more wins), rather than see him win one stage and not see him active in next few ones. Also, you should realize how hard those finales are for him, since nobody ever cooperates with him...
What he could have done yesterday, wait and follow the wheel of GVA?
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 09:19
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
jihardy wrote:
According to my calculations, that is the 82nd time Sagan has finished second
I have read about this being 2nd place nr. 69, as far as stage results are counted...
Still, he is imo closing on 200 stage podiums.
I think at some point people need to start questioning his tactical knowledge. Someone needs to sit down with him and tell him what he needs to do in the last 5/10km of races. If any other rider got into a winning position and lost so often then there would be serious questions asked. He seems to get away with it though because he's "a bit of a character".
I had to downvote you mate. I hope something you mentioned will not happen, because it would be only bad to try and change how he rides. I actually want to see Sagan riding like this (ofc i would not be unhappy with few more wins), rather than see him win one stage and not see him active in next few ones. Also, you should realize how hard those finales are for him, since nobody ever cooperates with him...
What he could have done yesterday, wait and follow the wheel of GVA?
Agreed to an extent. Often riders don't cooperate with him. And agreed that it's nice to see him try to win every race, which he should be commended for as it makes for exciting races.
But Sagen should be a faster finisher then GVA. He didn't need to go from so far out yesterday and drag GVA to the line for him to go past him. He should have followed the Sky rider (not gonna bother trying to spell his name ) for a bit longer before pulling out to give GVA no time to come round him. He always seems to sprint from too far out which allows other riders to sit on his wheel and overtake him in the last 100m.
Sagen should have been the favourite yesterday. He was outsmarted by GVA. Sagen needs to get smarter to win stages/races like yesterday. He had two riders in the break with him yesterday so you can't say no one was cooperating with him. It was Sagen's stage to lose and he lost it. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 15-03-2016 10:20
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Because in the last 12 months winning a TA stage and Points, 2 AToC Stages plus GC, 2 Suisse Stages and Points, 2 NC's, TDF Points, 1 Vuelta Stage and 1 World Championship is a real problem of "not winning" 
It's been a long time since Sagan delivered less than 10 wins in a season, that is plenty of wins for any rider, especially a non-sprinter
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 10:49
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Because in the last 12 months winning a TA stage and Points, 2 AToC Stages plus GC, 2 Suisse Stages and Points, 2 NC's, TDF Points, 1 Vuelta Stage and 1 World Championship is a real problem of "not winning"
It's been a long time since Sagan delivered less than 10 wins in a season, that is plenty of wins for any rider, especially a non-sprinter
Again, agreed to an extent. However I wouldn't count points jerseys as wins (very average riders can win points/KOM jerseys in some races) and the Slovenian NC's are a one horse race
My point is there was no excuse for him not winning yesterdays stage with two team mates in the break and being the fastest sprinter there. A lot of the stages he finishes second in he should be favourite to win. A little bit of tactical intelligence and he would win twice as many stages/races. That's my only point.
I'm not questioning his ability as a rider. I'm questioning his continued trend of loosing stages/races from winning positions. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 15-03-2016 10:54
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Van Avermaet is no snail.
Sagan did more of the work in the last few kilometers. Why? Because else they would've been caught and he would've been not even top 10 + no time boni seconds + no gap to other favorites for the overall.
It's the same for Van Avermaet, but for the first time ever he dared to bluff.
If Sagan had bluffed, too, both would've lost a lot more than the win of the day.
Sagan didn't lose. Van Avermaet just won more |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 15-03-2016 11:14
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2nd is first loser |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 15-03-2016 11:17
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There's more to winning than crossing the finish line first.
Sagan doesn't work: he gets a top 5 in Tirreno-Adriatico. Probably doesn't win the stage either because peloton catches them.
Sagan works: loses the sprint for the win of the day but gets in the position to win Tirreno. Will almost definitely end on Tirreno podium. Also secured his points jersey.
Not saying he rode a perfect ride, but given the circumstances, I think he did pretty well And Van Avermaet beat him before in a sprint, I thought it was quite a punchy sprint from Sagan after all those efforts. But Van Avermaet had an answer to it. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 15-03-2016 11:33
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ringo182 wrote:
Again, agreed to an extent. However I wouldn't count points jerseys as wins (very average riders can win points/KOM jerseys in some races) and the Slovenian NC's are a one horse race
It would be actually incredible feat from Sagan (not Sagen btw.) to win Slovenian NC ,as he is from Slovakia.
Winning point jerseys constantly is actually hard job and i cant see how it should not be count as big success, when it is usually in biggest WT races and most famous GT...
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