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| Waghlon |
Posted on 08-03-2016 14:53
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
I'm sad for Maria because this particular situation genuinly feels like an honest mistake.
Cycling is filled with "honest mistakes." Why would tennis be any different?
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 08-03-2016 15:01
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Waghlon wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
I'm sad for Maria because this particular situation genuinly feels like an honest mistake.
Cycling is filled with "honest mistakes." Why would tennis be any different?
Because it's a totally different sport? A sport where technique and mental toughness is more vital than pure fitness and you can be easily succesful without pushing your body to the limits?
I knew I would get slaughtered for having an opinion. That's the way this forum has been. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 08-03-2016 15:19
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
I'm sad for Maria because this particular situation genuinly feels like an honest mistake.
Cycling is filled with "honest mistakes." Why would tennis be any different?
Because it's a totally different sport? A sport where technique and mental toughness is more vital than pure fitness and you can be easily succesful without pushing your body to the limits?
I knew I would get slaughtered for having an opinion. That's the way this forum has been.
If you want to express you opinion you've got to expect/allow others to disagree with it.
All sport has a physical element so all athletes will use drugs to get an edge. Take two athletes with identical technique and skill but give one superior athletic ability. Who wins? That is your reason for tennis players to take drugs. The Williams sisters aren't the best players technically. They physically bully players off the court. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 08-03-2016 15:19
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
I'm sad for Maria because this particular situation genuinly feels like an honest mistake.
Cycling is filled with "honest mistakes." Why would tennis be any different?
Because it's a totally different sport? A sport where technique and mental toughness is more vital than pure fitness and you can be easily succesful without pushing your body to the limits?
I knew I would get slaughtered for having an opinion. That's the way this forum has been.
I don`t get your last sentence really.
Nobody is slaughtering you. In especially not for having your own opinion.
But obviously in a forum there will be people with different opinions. Otherwise we could just stop all discussion forums immediately.
So you say, you feel sad for her as you have opinion A that it was not for enhancing and only a mistake.
Other say, they think different having opinion B that it was mainly for enhancing the performance.
Also if it`s useful in tennis or in cycling or in both is something that most of us can`t say to 100% as we are no doctors. But apparently experts guess it could help also in tennis no matter if you play Sharapova style or Djokovic style. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 08-03-2016 15:28
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Because it's a totally different sport? A sport where technique and mental toughness is more vital than pure fitness and you can be easily succesful without pushing your body to the limits?
To be good at tennis, you also need to beat the other player in strength and stamina. There is a very real advantage to doping here.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 08-03-2016 15:32
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Waghlon wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
Because it's a totally different sport? A sport where technique and mental toughness is more vital than pure fitness and you can be easily succesful without pushing your body to the limits?
To be good at tennis, you also need to beat the other player in strength and stamina. There is a very real advantage to doping here.
I never said strength and stamina doesn't matter. My point is there are players who don't base their game on it and are successful (Roger Federer, Radwanska, Martina Hingis and so on...) |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-03-2016 15:34
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The 2016 Wimbledon winner everyone. He's got all the smarts and none of the physical prowess, it's a perfect combination for tennis!
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 08-03-2016 15:53
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
Because it's a totally different sport? A sport where technique and mental toughness is more vital than pure fitness and you can be easily succesful without pushing your body to the limits?
To be good at tennis, you also need to beat the other player in strength and stamina. There is a very real advantage to doping here.
I never said strength and stamina doesn't matter. My point is there are players who don't base their game on it and are successful (Roger Federer, Radwanska, Martina Hingis and so on...)
Federer does have good technique and skill, but he has the strength and endurance to back it up. That's why he was the best in the world for so long. If he wasn't such an athlete he would have been half the player. He would have been like Tim Henman.
Martina Hingis was very good for a few years. Then the game changed and power and endurance overtook skill and technique. Hingis couldn't adapt and so she retired. Imagine the player she could have been if she did have the power to back up her skill and technique.
You need both to be the best. To say endurance and strength isn't important in tennis is missing half of the point of the sport. Are you seriously saying that endurance and strength isn't going to be a major contributing factor to a 4+ hour, 5 set match? Or 7 matches in the space of two weeks at grand slams? |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 08-03-2016 16:42
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
I knew I would get slaughtered for having an opinion. That's the way this forum has been.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 08-03-2016 17:23
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TheManxMissile wrote:
The 2016 Wimbledon winner everyone. He's got all the smarts and none of the physical prowess, it's a perfect combination for tennis!
Ha Ha, Maria has really let herself go |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-03-2016 17:50
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I don't think Sharapova was malicious but definitely negligent, and she should be disciplined for it.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 08-03-2016 19:06
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ringo182 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
WADA pulling out all the stops to get Russians out of the OLympics.
What a disgrace
I don't think I've ever seen a more ridiculous post. She's failed a drugs test. How on earth is that WADA fault?
You haven't been brainwashed by adolf putin as well have you!?!
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| Lachi |
Posted on 09-03-2016 00:21
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ringo182 wrote:
Martina Hingis was very good for a few years. Then the game changed and power and endurance overtook skill and technique. Hingis couldn't adapt and so she retired. Imagine the player she could have been if she did have the power to back up her skill and technique. I heard that her first retirement was not because tennis got more physical. Could it be a coincident that her retirement lasted exactly 2 years? Do I have to be more explicit? |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 09-03-2016 08:24
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Bikex wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
WADA pulling out all the stops to get Russians out of the OLympics.
What a disgrace
I don't think I've ever seen a more ridiculous post. She's failed a drugs test. How on earth is that WADA fault?
You haven't been brainwashed by adolf putin as well have you!?!
Comparing Putin with Hitler and in the same sentence accusing someone of being brainwashed is quite a hilarious post as well.
I'd say trying to blame Russia's well documented & long standing drug abuse issues on the bodies responsible for testing and organising events is more ridiculous then a couple of tongue in cheek remarks.  |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 09-03-2016 13:01
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According to reports I've just heard the Meldonium was added to the banned substance list by WADA as a direct result of their investigations into state sponsored doping within Russia. Apparently a very high proportion of Russian athletes tested had high levels of the drug in their system.
So I guess Spilak was right. It was WADA pulling out all the stops to get Russia banned for the Olympics. What arseholes eh Imagine adding a drug to the banned list just because one country has been proven to be using it to cheat. Poor Russia being bullied again.
Also begs the question of how linked has Sharapova been to Russian state sponsored doping throughout her whole career. Changes the whole perspective on her simply being naïve or negligent and makes it look much more likely she has been implicit in her own choice to use performance enhancing drugs during her career. Especially as Meldonium isn't a prescribed drub in USA where she lives so she has been provided the drug from elsewhere. Wonder where that was |
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| roturn |
Posted on 09-03-2016 13:20
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Actually a big reason why mainly Russians are using Meldonium is, that it`s only buyable in Russia and Baltic countries.
It`s illegal elsewhere, which shows that it can`t be the very best one.
What is funny though, that Sharapowa never really lived in Russia and is more like an US citizen. Still she got Meldonium from the doc and I guess it`s most likely she would normally go to an US doc, who would give her something else than Meldonium.
In the end it also doesn`t matter if a medicament is used in one country only. If you identify it in many athletes and know about performanced enhanced issues, you obviously have to ban it. It`s nothing against this specific country then but only about the sport itself then.
It would be absolutely wrong to not forbid it only because it`s one country and not the rest. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 22-03-2016 12:18
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I agree with Raymond Moore and Novak Djokovic that male tennis players should be paid more then female tennis players.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-03-2016 12:45
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Depends what stance you argue from. In Grand Slams the men should be paid more because they play 5 sets against the womens 3 sets. Outside of that in more standard Premier/International tournements where both men and women play 3 sets prize money should be the same.
Djokovic argument that more people watch men so they should be paid more can be easily twisted. For example more people watch Djokovic than Nishikori for example, so lets say Nishikori beats Djokovic in a match should Djokovic be paid more because he's more popular than Nishikori despite losing?
You can twist Moore's comments as well. For example Federer made tennis a lot more popular in Switzerland, so does this mean a portion of Wawrinka's winnings should go to Federer as a thanks for bringing in sponsors and funding to Swiss tennis? Or more extreme should Sampras or McEnroe get a portion of Isner's winnings, or of winnings from the US Grand Slam anyway because they helped make and keep tennis popular in the USA?
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| Strydz |
Posted on 22-03-2016 13:50
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The reasoning that Men play 5 sets and the women 3 isn't a very good reason for the women to get paid less, maybe if a match is a straight sets victory then the winner should be paid less as they didn't play as long as someone who won in 5 sets. The length of the matches isn't why Men can be paid more than Women, it's just an excuse used to pay Women less than the Men.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 22-03-2016 14:18
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Men get paid more because the mens game brings in more money then the womens game, so mens tournaments can afford to pay higher prize money. Simple. There is no argument.
You wouldn't expect Chelsea FC Women players to earn the same as the mens team when they play in front of 500 people while the men sell out a 50,000 capacity stadium every week. Why do you expect women tennis players to be paid the same as men when they earn less money for the sport?
You are asking the mens game to subsidise the womens game. How is that fair?
The fact is that if you split the mens and womens grand slams and played them on different weeks, the mens tournament would far outsell the womens tournament. People who watch sport want to watch the best of the best. The best of the best are the elite men. |
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