jseadog1 wrote:
Personally, Hillary has my vote right at the moment.
I love Trump's idea of a wall and deporting illegal's, so if Hillary doesn't win and Trump does, he will get my vote.
Whaaaaaaat!
So a Wall appeals to you? Explain why please
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So this year, though I can't yet vote, I'm supporting John Kasich. I don't agree with every position he has, but he has proven that even when he does not agree he is willing to sit down, talk about it and reach an agreement. He can come out with the better half of a deal while still pleasing the majority of people. Every other Republican and Democrat seems to think their agenda will just come to life magically. Kasich is the only one I feel is moderate enough and can work with people enough to actually get stuff done, and mostly stuff that I would support.
The problem with a president sitting down and talking out the issues is congress, it has been gerrymandered to the point that the Republicans will hold the house in almost any election, now that isn't a bad thing if they could move past the idea of saying NO to everything coming out of the Whitehouse, Kasich is far to moderate for any Republican house to work with and hold the Tea Party (minority) Base. The system is the problem and outside of some way-out thinking I can't see a way out for the current quagmire that you guys find yourself in
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A la Jeremy Corbyn over here, Sanders only entered to widen the debate on the left. However, now he can sniff out a win, he's beginning to roll out his own dirty tricks campaign- even if it's only activism photos, Clinton minority record attacks and TV ads, and therefore relatively small, surely it's everything he stands against as an anti-establishment candidate? Also, he increasingly sounds like a broken record, especially regarding inequality.
As for the Republicans, it makes me laugh how desperate the Repulicans are first to keep Trump from going solo, then to discredit Trump once he looks like winning.
If he actually did go solo there would be no chance for a Republican to be president with the vote split, just like in 1992. So now that he claims he's sticking with the party they're trying to keep him from winning.
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jseadog1 wrote:
Personally, Hillary has my vote right at the moment.
I love Trump's idea of a wall and deporting illegal's, so if Hillary doesn't win and Trump does, he will get my vote.
"Let’s say it in our debate because you’ll never hear this from that immigrant-bashing carnival barker Donald Trump: The truth of the matter is net immigration from Mexico last year was zero. Fact-check me. Go ahead, check it out," O’Malley said.
Challenge accepted.
O’Malley said, "Net immigration from Mexico last year was zero. Fact-check me."
Census data from 2010 up to 2013 support O’Malley’s point, as the population of people living in America but born in Mexico fell by about 40,000 since 2010. Experts said this is a strong indication of a prevailing trend. That figure actually rose slightly in 2014 -- though remaining significantly lower than the peak number of Mexican-born Americans in 2007. And the 2014 number had a large enough margin of error that it’s possible there was an actual drop from 2013.
Other data, including a rapid decline in apprehensions at the border and changing demographics in Mexico add weight to the conclusion that O’Malley’s point is correct.
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Tbh, looking at America right now, I would love to see Sanders win. But since that won't happen, I hope that Trump wins.
Why?
Because Trump and Hillary are both shit. But Trump kinda wants to stop the shit with Russia. (Also he's against TTIP, from a german standpoint, very nice to see)
jseadog1 wrote:
Personally, Hillary has my vote right at the moment.
I love Trump's idea of a wall and deporting illegal's, so if Hillary doesn't win and Trump does, he will get my vote.
Whaaaaaaat!
So a Wall appeals to you? Explain why please
Because I don't think they should illegally be allowed here.. Like the Muslims we are "saving" from ISIS by bringing them to the USA just to they can do damage here because someone somewhere is sneaking in with them. Mexicans come over and take cheap jobs that somebody (teen, homeless) would gladly take.
The only thing I said I could support in the past is the idea of forcing them into the USA military upon arrival for awhile, but something would go wrong somewhere.
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jseadog1 wrote:
Personally, Hillary has my vote right at the moment.
I love Trump's idea of a wall and deporting illegal's, so if Hillary doesn't win and Trump does, he will get my vote.
Whaaaaaaat!
So a Wall appeals to you? Explain why please
Because I don't think they should illegally be allowed here.. Like the Muslims we are "saving" from ISIS by bringing them to the USA just to they can do damage here because someone somewhere is sneaking in with them. Mexicans come over and take cheap jobs that somebody (teen, homeless) would gladly take.
The only thing I said I could support in the past is the idea of forcing them into the USA military upon arrival for awhile, but something would go wrong somewhere.
You'll found out quickly that this is not true, especially here when there is an anti EU sentiment in the UK, but I'm pretty sure that a good percentage of people that are not in work, do not want to work and thats why countries need immigrants to do these 'cheap jobs' because the indigenous pop do not want to work as a refuse collector etc, as they (somehow) see themselves as being over qualified for these jobs(or rather prejudiced against said job.)
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As you guys may or may not know, I did a lot of work for Ron Paul's campaign in 2012. I was 13-14 at the time, pretty young and naive, still a believer in the whole political system. My political views still haven't changed much, but if you put me on the political spectrum I would be pretty moderate/libertarian. I still identify as a conservative even though I am very liberal on social issues (I call these "distraction issues" and foreign policy. Ultimately I believe the individuals have free will and owe nothing to society, hence my liberal positions on social issues and conservative positions on size of government/taxation. But I use "conservative" and "liberal" loosely, since I am of the belief that people either have no choice (1 party) or an illusion of choice (2+ parties).
There are two issues which I don't have a stance on at all. Gun control and abortion. As for gun control, I agree with the necessity of guns 100% in theory, and 0% in practice. The intent of the second amendment was always to protect the people from government, but considering US government's technology nowadays, what the fuck are you gonna accomplish with a civilian militia equipped with some AR-15s? Next to nothing. As for abortion, the issue always didn't strike a chord in me either way, I never could bring myself to take a stance.
In any case I try not to take politics too seriously anymore. To me it is nothing more than entertainment for the masses. Yes, in terms of your own interests it might affect you a bit here and a bit there, but from a bigger perspective many things are bound to remain the same whether a person with a (R) or (D) next to their name sits in the white house. But nowadays especially on social media more and more of my friends take an interest in politics (mostly devoted Sanders supporters, e.g. a #feelthebern facebook comment instantly gets 300 likes), and while I can't disagree more with a lot of their viewpoints, I can't help but deeply admire their optimism (a good antidote for cynicism!). A progressive type of optimism, perhaps, a view that something can be done to change the status quo, for better or for worse.
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Because I don't think they should illegally be allowed here.. Like the Muslims we are "saving" from ISIS by bringing them to the USA just to they can do damage here because someone somewhere is sneaking in with them. Mexicans come over and take cheap jobs that somebody (teen, homeless) would gladly take.
The only thing I said I could support in the past is the idea of forcing them into the USA military upon arrival for awhile, but something would go wrong somewhere.
I posted this last night, but the broadband went down and it was lost in the ether. Oh well...
First of all, I'll bring you down gently- Mexico aren't gonna pay for that wall.
Second of all, Trump can't stand there saying he'll make America great again yet refuse some of the people who think it is great.
Third of all. some people(not necessarily you) seem to think deporting illegal immigrants is as simple as loading them on a boat and asking them to row home. The legal complications are huge. As for Muslims, only a tiny percentage are extremists yet they are the only ones, especially in America, who make the news. This is all thanks to the crazy rhetoric whipped up by Blair and Bush to justify an Iraq War which was so disastrous that it ultimately caused ISIS in the first place. Then there's Trump- his soundbites and his policy would be completely different.
Just stay rooting for Hilary.
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Because I don't think they should illegally be allowed here.. Like the Muslims we are "saving" from ISIS by bringing them to the USA just to they can do damage here because someone somewhere is sneaking in with them. Mexicans come over and take cheap jobs that somebody (teen, homeless) would gladly take.
Because I don't think they should illegally be allowed here.. Like the Muslims we are "saving" from ISIS by bringing them to the USA just to they can do damage here because someone somewhere is sneaking in with them. Mexicans come over and take cheap jobs that somebody (teen, homeless) would gladly take.
It's not that easy. Normally, I don't have contacts or money either. The only advantage I would have is the language, but I would probably like more money than the foreigner. In Germany, you have to get paid 8,50€/h. For that reason, foreigners can't really steal your job. But I bet, that there will soon be a law to pay less, so that immigrants can work for like 3€/h or even less, like before.
It's not that easy. Normally, I don't have contacts or money either. The only advantage I would have is the language, but I would probably like more money than the foreigner. In Germany, you have to get paid 8,50€/h. For that reason, foreigners can't really steal your job. But I bet, that there will soon be a law to pay less, so that immigrants can work for like 3€/h or even less, like before.
Yeah that's never going to happen - it's clear discrimination, which means no western government would enact such a policy and as Germany is in the EU, it definitely couldn't. And regardless, the issue is not that immigrants are prepared to be paid less, it's that the state is failing to prevent this from happening. If they can survive on the minimum wage for the job, why can't native citizens who have entrenched benefits alongside that?
It's not that easy. Normally, I don't have contacts or money either. The only advantage I would have is the language, but I would probably like more money than the foreigner. In Germany, you have to get paid 8,50€/h. For that reason, foreigners can't really steal your job. But I bet, that there will soon be a law to pay less, so that immigrants can work for like 3€/h or even less, like before.
Yeah that's never going to happen - it's clear discrimination, which means no western government would enact such a policy and as Germany is in the EU, it definitely couldn't. And regardless, the issue is not that immigrants are prepared to be paid less, it's that the state is failing to prevent this from happening. If they can survive on the minimum wage for the job, why can't native citizens who have entrenched benefits alongside that?
First off, it already happened in the past, so it wouldn't be a first time, 2nd off, they can survive with that wage, because they mostly do several jobs, working "black"(without taxes, illegally).
jseadog1 wrote:
Personally, Hillary has my vote right at the moment.
I love Trump's idea of a wall and deporting illegal's, so if Hillary doesn't win and Trump does, he will get my vote.
Whaaaaaaat!
So a Wall appeals to you? Explain why please
Because I don't think they should illegally be allowed here.. Like the Muslims we are "saving" from ISIS by bringing them to the USA just to they can do damage here because someone somewhere is sneaking in with them. Mexicans come over and take cheap jobs that somebody (teen, homeless) would gladly take.
The only thing I said I could support in the past is the idea of forcing them into the USA military upon arrival for awhile, but something would go wrong somewhere.
Well you can't build a wall of that length and expect it to be secure so talk about a waste of massive amounts of cash, also you realise that the small amount of "illegals" who are coming across the border are doing jobs that the people of your country just don't want to do.
I have no idea why forcing people into the Military is a good idea when the U.S should be drastically cutting Military spending and cutting the size of the Military as it's heavily bloated and horribly ineffective.
As to the Muslim that do genuinely need refuge I can't see how as a human you could be against taking them in, do you realise unlike Europe they just can't hop on a raft and cross the sea to get to your country (or mine for that matter) so before they even get approved as genuine refugees they have to go through that many checks it's not funny, it's almost insulting but I can understand why the U.S would fear the Islamic world considering what an absolute hash you guys and the rest of the west has done in the middle east.
A Wall is utterly fanciful and WONT HAPPEN
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Bunch of euros, Aussies, etc. telling Americans what they should do with their country. I love it.
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Bunch of euros, Aussies, etc. telling Americans what they should do with their country. I love it.
It can both ways, we live in a globalised world and not in isolated bubbles.
Also if I see an injustice am I just meant to keep quiet?
Oh and when a candidate like Trump is in with a chance to become President then the whole world should say something
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and foreign policy. Ultimately I believe the individuals have free will and owe nothing to society, hence my liberal positions on social issues and conservative positions on size of government/taxation. But I use "conservative" and "liberal" loosely, since I am of the belief that people either have no choice (1 party) or an illusion of choice (2+ parties).
