SSJ2Luigi wrote:
oh no, money is gone from cycling now? can't wait on people starting to complain that cycling doesn't get even money pumped into it while simultaneously going insane of joy with tinkoffs money.
oh well, the "give money but only if you're nice" mentality is also a way to live :\
What exactly was good about having Tinkov involved with Cycling?
as far as I know he doesn't have any doping cases on his doorstep since buying Saxo. (Kreuziger doesn't count imo as it was about his Astana years) also who's going to fund Tinkoff/Saxo what ever after 2016.
also his twitter can be hilarious if you're in that type of humour
His Twitter can be hilarious and also has great things like calling Obama a monkey and talking about sponsoring a women's teams with long legged sluts...
Real funny stuff!
Oh and yeah might not have had any doping cases since taking over the Saxo licence but he could of taken the same view as he had with his previous team which was a mantra of 'you can dope but don't get caught'
again if it's not your type of humour, you're not gonna like it and probably will get offended by him. I don't think you should list him as you do solely because of this.
that's just making a assumption that he has the same view as Riis did and I also think that you should judge people because of assumption.
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
oh no, money is gone from cycling now? can't wait on people starting to complain that cycling doesn't get even money pumped into it while simultaneously going insane of joy with tinkoffs money.
oh well, the "give money but only if you're nice" mentality is also a way to live :\
What exactly was good about having Tinkov involved with Cycling?
as far as I know he doesn't have any doping cases on his doorstep since buying Saxo. (Kreuziger doesn't count imo as it was about his Astana years) also who's going to fund Tinkoff/Saxo what ever after 2016.
also his twitter can be hilarious if you're in that type of humour
His Twitter can be hilarious and also has great things like calling Obama a monkey and talking about sponsoring a women's teams with long legged sluts...
Real funny stuff!
Oh and yeah might not have had any doping cases since taking over the Saxo licence but he could of taken the same view as he had with his previous team which was a mantra of 'you can dope but don't get caught'
again if it's not your type of humour, you're not gonna like it and probably will get offended by him. I don't think you should list him as you do solely because of this.
that's just making a assumption that he has the same view as Riis did and I also think that you should judge people because of assumption.
So its okay to be mysoginistic if it's tagged as humour? Wicked! That's makes it easy then...
Tinkov is what's wrong with cycling, Riis is what's wrong with cycling, Unzue, Rihs, Ochowicz and so on are what's wrong with cycling. Tinkov was just a guy with money who wanted his own way and thought he could say what he wanted without any consequence, if he wanted to be heard then maybe he should of acted like an adult but he chose to be a fool.
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
oh no, money is gone from cycling now? can't wait on people starting to complain that cycling doesn't get even money pumped into it while simultaneously going insane of joy with tinkoffs money.
oh well, the "give money but only if you're nice" mentality is also a way to live :\
What exactly was good about having Tinkov involved with Cycling?
Passion and money my friend. There are not a lot of rich people mad for cycling like Oleg is. Cycling will miss him for sure and it is another win of old rigid corrupt UCI body. Yeah, he is a crazy motherfucker, but he has some really good points about professional cycling and its biggest mistakes, that stop cycling from bursting out of shadows.
To celebrate him going out of the cycling bussines is foolish imo...
Yeah you are correct! We really need his misogyny and casual racism in cycling....
Oh and his easy going approval of doping
He will be missed for sure
You should realize that if cycling will miss him is not a question of your personal preference or your opinion about his character. Cycling is desperate for sponsors as the whole and yet the UCI is able to expel the sponsors passionate for cycling with its rigid thinking.
You think i admire Oleg for his personality? I dont, but cycling will miss him, his passion and his money. And i have to confess that i found his humour hillarious at some points (not calling a black person monkey though), as i dont think you have to be politically correct all the time. I also like nazi jokes as it helps me to deal with the horrors itself, am i terrible guy?
Avin (you most certainly are not a terrible guy) I am not PC all the time either and that's not my main issue with Tinkov. Cycling needs a overhaul no doubt but Tinkov was not the guy to do it, he wanted power plain and simple, if he was truely passionate then he would of toned down the rubbish and stuck it out for the long haul and truely fight for change but instead he spat the dummy and took his money and left. Rich guys owning teams isn't the answer to cyclings problems, the sport has spent far to much in trying to stay afloat on the back of people with money who demand results not matter what it takes instead of tackling the root of the issues and becoming sustainable. I don't know what all the solutions are but Oleg certainly wasn't one of them
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Well, i get your reasons Strydz, but i dont think that cycling is in position to choose the sponsors and expel them if they think that they are trying to change something or do their job. I agree that Oleg was sometimes pushing it mob style, but the reaction from uCI should have been proper reasoning, while they in fact act like rigid rulers from ancient times.
Also i don think Tinkov is in the same group of people you mentioned as the worst that cycling can get, we will probably never agree on that.
I agree that cycling needs an overhaul to truly become a modern sport (not that i like all the things that come with being modern sport), but i dont believe it can come from inside, i tend to believe it needs an outer motivation and that can be the influental people wanting changes in sport, then we can argue if they try to change it for the love of the sport or for their benefits, that is another question...
Stölting will hold a press conference today, speaking about the 2016 team and if they are able to keep the team or not.
Last week they already said to be confident to find a way even without Cult Energy. So let`s see. Not sure at what time they will do it but I guess around noon.
Also should be interesting to get some more information.
In other news Michael Rogers won`t race the Aussie Nationals and Tour Down Under for health reasons.
"Rogers, 35, was diagnosed with a congenital bicuspid aortic valve, a defect that leads to heart murmur and possible fatigue. Most people with the disorder see a progression in symptoms that require surgery to repair the valve in their 30s or 40s."
The team will ride under the name "Stölting Service Group" with a PCT licence next year as German team.
Director Sportif is Jochen Hahn, who was already responsible for Stölting in recent seasons.
All riders that had signed for Stölting - Cult Energy will stay with the team.
Regarding Cult Energy, Stölting is very disappointed and is going to clarify wheter their step back was legal.
About wage cuttings, nothing was said. But I guess it might at least be a possibility of course. But most important is to see them riding as that late it would have been hard for many to find a new team otherwise.
Paris - Nice route has been unveild. Exciting times as both Froome and Contador (and lil' Richie afaik) have said they will be at the startlist, representing an increase in quality of what has been a generally poor startlist in recent years. No proper TT so it will pretty much be won all on the climbs, but there is no one big MTF that dominates the race which is good.
ASO have also been kind enough to provide us with profiles for the last 3 stages. The Col de la Madone, home to Froome's Armstrong-destroying training rides, makes an appearance, so I think we can all be very excited to see what happens there and hope that he's in good shape to give us some nice ridiculous wattages. Part of Mont Ventoux (section up to Chalet Reynard) is also included on stage 5, but contrary to ASO's assertion that "this mini Tour de France is likely to be won on the slopes of Mont Ventoux" its location more than 100km from the finish is unlikely to inspire too much action (although we could possibly have an epic medium-mountain stage on our hands). Interesting too, is the inclusion of "dirt roads" on stage 1, of unspecified quality, length, or closeness to finish. We will have to wait and see.
PN was much better with the Cannes after Tanneron stage on Saturday and the short Porte-La Turbie-Eze stage on Sunday. Never understood why they went away from it.
Edit: the wednesday stage is really steep finish of 3 km.
Edited by Spilak23 on 17-12-2015 15:04
Ah, my bad, didn't know that there was another Col de la Madone, looks a nice climb though, lots of hairpins. That whole Alpes-Maritimes region just to the north of Nice is full of interesting climbs actually, and I want to see more of them in the Tour - in recent years we've only had Allos and Bonette as proper climbs south of Embrun, meaning about a quarter of the French Alps has gone virtually unused for the past few years.
New channel on Sky called 'BIKE' which is dedicated to everything about cycling. It is on channel 464 and I am currently watching Massimo Boglia and Paolo Savoldelli climbing in Italy.
It would essentially end the WT if ASO went ahead with this
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I hope this is just a bluf, I can't live in a world where the highest division of cycling has so many spring classics compared to races that are my liking.
Yeah, it's bluff. Or at least, it definetelly seems so. It's a game of power, and ASO aren't above cycling. But it's what UCI get, and to be honest, deserve.
