sgdanny wrote:
@Atlantius : Your lvl 1 version of the riders, overall show that focusing just upgrading one stat, will end up them getting stronger than your maxed version.
With the two last riders at least
Well I can't take all possibilities into account, which is why I wrote like I did. Both the current stats and the maxed are where I think the riders are realistic, then quite possibly they need tweaking to make sure they won't get overpowered with different development choices, but I'm confident that SN can handle assigning current stats based on the max stats as he only asked for the maxed stats anyway
knockout wrote: Tiesj Benoot is a mediocre cyclist from Belgium. His results include 36th place at Omloop Het Nieuwsblad, a 22nd place at GP Ouest and a 8th place in the LBL u23 race 2013. On top, he got selected for the WC.
What?
You mean a rather big talent from Belgium with a 5th place in Ronde van Vlaanderen?
Or am I missing something?
I think he was being sarcastic, or at least I hope he was. If Benoot isn't one of the best riders added this year, I'd be very disappointed. Not that I have any chance of signing him though
I thought it was obvious enough so that a smiley would not be necessary but well, I wasn't serious about that.
It was mainly a reply to the countless comments by Alak in the Skype chat.
How should I know that, I'm not in the skype chat.
But appreciate the demeaning comments, guys.
So here we go, shit Irish lads no one but me will want anyway. All stats are what they should be when maxed.
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
-
Dowling
Mark
71
74
75
61
71
71
70
55
68
73
69
68
62
IRL
EU
4
100
18
7
1986
4
Puncher/Climber with a good finishing kick. Doesn't ride many big races (got a contract with Dinamo Cover for 2016 though), but when he does, he usually does well enough. Always gives a good performance on the hilly stage of the Ras, also got a Top 10 against the likes of Grmay and Earle in Taiwan two years back. Current national criterium champ. Great 2014, won both the Ras Mumhan and the Suir Valley three day and multiple county rider prizes at the Ras. One of the top Irish domestic riders (2nd in the A1 rankings).
[url]https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/Mark_Dowling
[/url]
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
-
Richardson
Ian
75
60
62
75
70
72
68
65
60
68
75
65
75
IRL
EU
4
100
13
1
1988
4
TT specialist with a real motor. Could also be on X-Factor, he was shot in the leg when he was 15 and only started cycling at 21. Good triathlon rider, got 5th in the Europeans aged 21-24 a few years back. Had a good Ras this year, best Irish rider on the first few stages.
[url]https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/Ian_Richardson
[/url]
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
-
Potts
Marc
73
62
74
66
73
74
68
73
68
73
70
70
67
IRL
EU
3
0
10
10
1991
5
Typical classics rider. Rides a good bit in Belgium & France and with the Irish seniors team. Definitely got some development left in him, surprised An Post haven't signed him.
[url]https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider.php?id=169457&season=2015
[/url]
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
933
Dunne
Conor
71
70
77
65
72
72
71
72
65
69
74
69
65
IRL
EU
3
0
22
1
1992
5
Probably the biggest talent An Post have at the moment, the big man certainly needs an upgrade. Has proven this season that he's still develloping and could possibly use a move up to PCT level to do that. Despite his heigth he's actually fairly light and best in the hilly races, allthough he's also decent the few times he rides mountains. Also somewhat surprisingly so decent on cobbles that he was Sam Bennett's support at the worlds this year. https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...onor_Dunne
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
-
McCarthy
Eoin
74
62
74
63
72
71
70
73
62
65
72
65
63
IRL
EU
3
0
21
9
1993
4
Workhorse, nothing more, nothing less. Young, so will hopefully still progress. Got a very interesting (allthough not so active lately) blog too, which is pretty cool. https://procyclingstats.com/rider/Eoin...in_Mccarty
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
-
McKenna
Sean
70
76
77
72
71
73
74
61
64
72
68
69
72
IRL
EU
1
0
8
3
1994
6
How this lads isn't at An Post yet I don't know, for two years now he's been far and away the best domestic Irish rider. Won a shitton of domestic races, like the Ras Mumhan (biggest stage race after the ras), and topped the A1 rankings in 2014 and 2015. Going by the kind of races he wins (which to be fair seem to simply be a good chunk of races he enters) he's a talented stage racer who's also good on the hilly classics. Tends to be utilised as a helper when he rides for team Ireland, which is a shame, but will surely change in a year or two, once he's more matured. Could certainly make it as a pro rider if he gained some experience on the mainland.
[url]https://procyclingstats.com/rider/Sean_Mckenna
[/url]
I came up with a list of Frenchmen that obviously may be a little overkill, but thought I'd post the stats here so the suggestions can be seen. I don't expect many of these to be added, and some of them may be too strong, but at least they're there so SN and Roman can pick and choose. I've not put much in the way of additional information, as I know Roman has looked at most if not all of these riders before, but I'll happily add more if requested
The Climbers
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Latour
Pierre
68
71
70
67
72
70
72
55
65
74
72
72
65
FRA
EU
1
0
12
10
1993
7
Latour
Pierre
68
73
71
67
74
72
73
55
65
75
73
74
65
FRA
EU
2
0
12
10
1993
7
Latour
Pierre
69
75
73
69
76
74
75
55
65
76
74
74
67
FRA
EU
3
0
12
10
1993
7
Latour
Pierre
70
79
74
69
79
77
76
55
65
77
76
77
67
FRA
EU
4
0
12
10
1993
7
Latour
Pierre
71
81
76
71
81
79
78
55
65
78
77
77
69
FRA
EU
4
100
12
10
1993
7
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
8070
Vachon
Florian
70
73
73
65
72
72
74
67
72
75
68
71
65
FRA
EU
4
100
2
1
1985
3
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Bernard
Julien
66
72
71
65
70
69
71
54
60
67
61
68
65
FRA
EU
3
0
17
3
1992
4
Bernard
Julien
67
74
73
67
72
71
73
54
60
68
62
68
67
FRA
EU
4
0
17
3
1992
4
Bernard
Julien
67
76
74
67
74
73
74
54
60
69
63
70
67
FRA
EU
4
100
17
3
1992
4
Latour is a massive talent - was the only guy who could stick with Contador and Quintana in the Route de Sud, finishing 3rd. Then was 7th in the Tour of Austria, 5th in Burgos and 3rd in the Tour de l'Ain (winning the queen stage) - all as a neo-pro. Vachon is a stat upgrade, big results being 2nd on GC in Ain, and 4th in the Tour du Limousin - has a fast finish as evidenced by his classic and stage results, but has developed into a useful climber in his old age - not suspicious, honest. Finally, Bernard started riding as stagiare this season for Trek, having not ridden at the pro level before and took 10th in the USAPCC and 6th in the Tour of Hainan. Son of Jean-Francois Bernard, to give you an idea of where his climbing talent is from.
The Puncheurs
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Turgis
Anthony
72
65
69
59
70
70
67
66
67
72
74
70
59
FRA
EU
1
0
16
5
1994
5
Turgis
Anthony
72
65
70
59
71
71
68
66
67
73
75
70
59
FRA
EU
2
0
16
5
1994
5
Turgis
Anthony
73
66
72
59
73
72
69
66
68
75
76
70
59
FRA
EU
3
0
16
5
1994
5
Turgis
Anthony
74
67
75
60
76
73
70
66
69
77
78
71
60
FRA
EU
4
0
16
5
1994
5
Turgis
Anthony
75
68
77
60
78
74
71
66
70
79
79
71
60
FRA
EU
4
100
16
5
1994
5
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
3048
Perichon
Pierre-Luc
73
70
74
64
74
74
71
68
70
73
76
68
64
FRA
EU
4
100
4
1
1987
2
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Ledanois
Kevin
72
65
72
56
71
68
66
68
70
74
67
60
56
FRA
EU
3
0
13
7
1993
3
Ledanois
Kevin
74
65
73
56
73
70
67
70
72
74
67
60
56
FRA
EU
4
0
13
7
1993
3
Ledanois
Kevin
74
66
75
56
74
71
68
70
72
75
68
60
56
FRA
EU
4
100
13
7
1993
3
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Combaud
Romain
68
66
70
58
72
67
66
55
61
67
56
55
58
FRA
EU
3
0
1
4
1991
4
Combaud
Romain
69
67
73
59
74
68
67
55
62
69
58
56
59
FRA
EU
4
0
1
4
1991
4
Combaud
Romain
70
68
75
59
76
69
68
55
62
70
59
56
59
FRA
EU
4
100
1
4
1991
4
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Jauregui
Quentin
72
65
69
57
70
70
68
64
68
74
77
80
57
FRA
EU
2
0
22
4
1994
5
Jauregui
Quentin
73
66
71
57
72
71
69
64
69
76
78
80
57
FRA
EU
3
0
22
4
1994
5
Jauregui
Quentin
74
67
74
58
75
72
70
64
70
78
80
81
58
FRA
EU
4
0
22
4
1994
5
Jauregui
Quentin
75
68
76
58
77
73
71
64
71
80
81
81
58
FRA
EU
4
100
22
4
1994
5
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
1346
Renault
Maxime
65
65
71
55
68
68
64
61
66
72
60
72
55
FRA
EU
3
0
2
1
1990
3
1346
Renault
Maxime
67
65
72
55
70
70
65
63
68
72
60
72
55
FRA
EU
4
0
2
1
1990
3
1346
Renault
Maxime
67
66
74
55
71
71
66
63
68
73
61
72
55
FRA
EU
4
100
2
1
1990
3
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
594
Loubet
Julien
68
72
73
71
73
72
69
52
67
68
78
68
73
FRA
EU
4
100
11
1
1985
5
Turgis is a fairly big puncheur talent - won the Boucles de la Mayenne in his first season as a pro, as well as taking 8th in the Tour of Norway and 3rd in the U23 WC RR. Also won LBL U23 last season. Perichon has consistently been strong in recent seasons, with numerous top 10s in French hilly classics, and this year took 4th in Langkawi and 3rd in the Boucles de la Mayenne. Ledanois is the U23 WC, but is probably weaker than Turgis - just chose the right move - but is a useful enough rider, 4th in Paris-Camembert this year, 14th in the Tour of Luxembourg and 6th in Norway last season, but more of an all rounder than pure puncheur. Combaud and Renault are very similar riders - multiple Top 10s in French races, but unlikely to ever be more than CT leaders or domestiques at higher levels. Jauregui is another very exciting talent, could possibly be better than I have him, but really depends what he develops into in the future - he's good at picking the right break, is a good climber and packs a great punch. Also has excellent bike handling skills, for those that haven't seen his bike change a few WCs back then look it up. Finally, Loubet has had similar results this season to Rossetto last - hence the very similar stats, and an upgrade on what he currently has.
The Sprinters
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Laporte
Christophe
68
64
67
66
70
68
66
68
71
72
56
67
66
FRA
EU
2
0
11
12
1992
6
Laporte
Christophe
70
64
68
66
72
69
68
69
73
74
56
67
66
FRA
EU
3
0
11
12
1992
6
Laporte
Christophe
72
65
69
66
74
70
78
71
76
76
56
68
66
FRA
EU
4
0
11
12
1992
6
Laporte
Christophe
74
65
70
66
76
71
80
72
78
78
56
68
66
FRA
EU
4
100
11
12
1992
6
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Barbier
Rudy
72
58
66
60
71
70
67
65
75
76
56
63
60
FRA
EU
4
0
18
12
1992
4
Barbier
Rudy
74
58
66
60
72
70
71
66
77
78
56
63
60
FRA
EU
4
100
18
12
1992
4
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Sarreau
Marc
66
63
65
58
67
67
60
65
71
72
50
66
65
FRA
EU
1
0
10
6
1993
6
Sarreau
Marc
67
63
65
58
68
67
61
66
73
74
50
66
65
FRA
EU
2
0
10
6
1993
6
Sarreau
Marc
69
63
66
58
70
68
67
67
75
76
50
66
65
FRA
EU
3
0
10
6
1993
6
Sarreau
Marc
71
64
67
58
72
69
73
69
78
78
50
67
65
FRA
EU
4
0
10
6
1993
6
Sarreau
Marc
73
64
68
58
74
70
75
70
80
80
50
67
65
FRA
EU
4
100
10
6
1993
6
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Manzin
Lorrenzo
67
54
68
64
70
68
61
54
69
72
53
62
60
FRA
EU
1
0
26
7
1994
6
Manzin
Lorrenzo
68
54
68
64
71
68
62
55
71
74
53
62
60
FRA
EU
2
0
26
7
1994
6
Manzin
Lorrenzo
70
54
69
64
73
69
63
56
73
76
53
62
60
FRA
EU
3
0
26
7
1994
6
Manzin
Lorrenzo
72
54
70
65
74
71
71
56
76
78
53
63
62
FRA
EU
4
0
26
7
1994
6
Manzin
Lorrenzo
74
54
71
65
76
72
73
57
78
80
53
63
62
FRA
EU
4
100
26
7
1994
6
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Jarrier
Benoit
71
59
66
59
72
65
68
69
76
73
72
56
74
FRA
EU
4
100
1
2
1989
2
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Venturini
Clement
65
69
69
62
68
69
65
66
70
70
56
65
66
FRA
EU
3
0
16
10
1993
5
Venturini
Clement
67
70
70
62
70
70
67
68
73
72
56
66
66
FRA
EU
4
0
16
10
1993
5
Venturini
Clement
69
70
70
62
72
71
72
69
75
74
56
66
66
FRA
EU
4
100
16
10
1993
5
Laporte is very much a classics style sprinter - he could develop into a Sagan type of rider rather than a sprinter eventually, so there would be a case for changing his stats a bit, but he has done pretty well on hilly parcours - 3rd in the GP Wallonie for example - while winning the relatively flat Tour de Vendee. Barbier has over 20 top 10s this season, all in flat stages/classics/GCs, and while no world beater would make a useful enough leadout at the lower levels. Sarreau is probably the biggest talent of this crop (well, except possibly Boudat who could use a year more before being added to see what type of rider he becomes), best result this season 4th in Scheldeprijs but has consistently been up there in 2.1 races. Manzin is slightly weaker, but better over hills - won La Roue Tarangelle this season and took a top 10 in a WT sprint in Poland. Jarrier is another one of the CT level riders who does well in little French races, while Venturini isn't hugely quick - but would make a nice Sonnery type rider, with his best results in the Tour of Austria coming in sprints after some serious climbing.
If there's anyone who people feel I've missed, let me know and I'll look at them - left out Boudat, Gesbert, Maison etc as I felt they could do with more time to be judged before being added.
Margh already got most of the Swiss ones I would have added, I would only add Frank Pasche. 2nd in the Swiss U23 RR and 3rd in the TT, he looks like a good prospect. I would say he's a timetrialist who can sprint a little.
Now time to add some Brazilians! A hard thing to do in the MG, as most of the top Brazilians are well into the 30s with a good chunk 35-40. So, some of these are OP, of course. However, with Brazilians represented in all divisions, Nicacio taking two stage wins at the 'best GT!', a Brazilian team amidst plenty of South American teams in the MG it makes sense to add Brazilians which are OP, especially as many have declined. So perhaps it would be a good idea if someone could find a Brazilian with half a reason to give a stat max of 80 in either mountain or hill to? Why not!
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Camilo
Emerson
69
65
73
66
75
67
68
57
68
75
69
70
67
BRA
SA
4
100
11
2
1985
5
Current Brazil NC. Decent on the hills and in the sprint by the looks.
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Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Marques
Felipe
69
75
70
66
68
67
72
54
58
65
72
65
64
BRA
SA
3
50
1
12
1990
5
Nothing to match the finishes of Chiarello, however, as I said I think there is a need for more Brazilians of decent quality, Marques could get there starting at level 3. Marques has hovered around the top 10/20 in Brazilian GCs with multiple placings in KOM comps: liking the more mountainous terrain then.
The Rider wrote:
Now time to add some Brazilians! A hard thing to do in the MG, as most of the top Brazilians are well into the 30s with a good chunk 35-40. So, some of these are OP, of course. However, with Brazilians represented in all divisions, Nicacio taking two stage wins at the 'best GT!', a Brazilian team amidst plenty of South American teams in the MG it makes sense to add Brazilians which are OP, especially as many have declined. So perhaps it would be a good idea if someone could find a Brazilian with half a reason to give a stat max of 80 in either mountain or hill to? Why not!
So what you're basically saying is: "I manage a team from a country, so I've gone away and found the names of some cyclists from this country and decided to create their stats so they fit into my team perfectly, filling any roles that are currently lacking in the team, and while you're at it, why not add some really overpowered riders, because I want some of them in my team"
The Rider wrote:
Now time to add some Brazilians! A hard thing to do in the MG, as most of the top Brazilians are well into the 30s with a good chunk 35-40. So, some of these are OP, of course. However, with Brazilians represented in all divisions, Nicacio taking two stage wins at the 'best GT!', a Brazilian team amidst plenty of South American teams in the MG it makes sense to add Brazilians which are OP, especially as many have declined. So perhaps it would be a good idea if someone could find a Brazilian with half a reason to give a stat max of 80 in either mountain or hill to? Why not!
So what you're basically saying is: "I manage a team from a country, so I've gone away and found the names of some cyclists from this country and decided to create their stats so they fit into my team perfectly, filling any roles that are currently lacking in the team, and while you're at it, why not add some really overpowered riders, because I want some of them in my team"
Seems legit.
You obviously didn't read the stats that Rider suggested pretty normal stats plus most of the comments their are tongue in cheek e.g. "Nicacio winning in best GT"
