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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 06-10-2015 17:32
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Well... Celesio is screwed, only 4 riders available for the development team and only 35 euro's left to buy anything.  |
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| The Rider |
Posted on 06-10-2015 17:41
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Bikex wrote:
There is no problem with UNHCR at the moment, Silvio will just need to free up enough budget to sign the required number of riders, which is 10 not 2 like written in the file, that's the only mistake. Silvio will need to sell one of his better riders.
What do you mean? He is over-budget for the WT team by 705 simoleons. I agree with Ollfardh. My understanding is you can't use the dev team budget to finance the main team, yet here you are allowing him to finance his main team with the dev team budget.
If you are allowing that, OK, but it should have been added to the rules.  |
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 06-10-2015 20:57
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The Rider wrote:
Bikex wrote:
There is no problem with UNHCR at the moment, Silvio will just need to free up enough budget to sign the required number of riders, which is 10 not 2 like written in the file, that's the only mistake. Silvio will need to sell one of his better riders.
What do you mean? He is over-budget for the WT team by 705 simoleons. I agree with Ollfardh. My understanding is you can't use the dev team budget to finance the main team, yet here you are allowing him to finance his main team with the dev team budget.
If you are allowing that, OK, but it should have been added to the rules.
I would also be interested to know how much budget I can use for the main team, as they have been out together
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| matt17br |
Posted on 06-10-2015 21:06
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The minimum wage of all development riders combined is 1000, the maximum 1500.
So I guess since 5800 is your budget, 5800 - 1000 = 4800, which is the max budget for your main team, while 4300 is the minimum for the main team (even though you are not forced to spend all the money right now).
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| Bikex |
Posted on 07-10-2015 13:05
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The Rider wrote:
Bikex wrote:
There is no problem with UNHCR at the moment, Silvio will just need to free up enough budget to sign the required number of riders, which is 10 not 2 like written in the file, that's the only mistake. Silvio will need to sell one of his better riders.
What do you mean? He is over-budget for the WT team by 705 simoleons. I agree with Ollfardh. My understanding is you can't use the dev team budget to finance the main team, yet here you are allowing him to finance his main team with the dev team budget.
If you are allowing that, OK, but it should have been added to the rules.
The main and dev team budget were from the very beginning only one combined budget. As long as Silvio fulfills all requirements towards the end of the transfer season there is nothing wrong.
Maybe I should add a rule though for next transfer season in which the dev team budget is seen as a seperate budget, but that wasn't the case so far. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-10-2015 13:09
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Well, I don't think they should be seperated, after all you only decide which riders go into the dev team much later in the transfer period. I was assuming Silvio was over his total budget, not his main team budget. All should be ok then.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 07-10-2015 13:19
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Ollfardh wrote:
Well, I don't think they should be seperated, after all you only decide which riders go into the dev team much later in the transfer period. I was assuming Silvio was over his total budget, not his main team budget. All should be ok then.
Yeah that's the reason why I hadn't separated the budgets before. |
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| Silvio Herklotz |
Posted on 07-10-2015 18:29
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I understand what TheRider is arguing for. As already noted, there was never any rule saying you can't use the money as you wish for now and care for a full dev team later on. Does it makes sense to separate both? - I don't know. But from my point of view it can't be involved for this transfer season.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 08-10-2015 12:31
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So, how is it looking after two days? Aside from brewers, I think most should be done by now?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 08-10-2015 14:45
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Ollfardh wrote:
So, how is it looking after two days? Aside from brewers, I think most should be done by now?
We are far from done.. I'll send out PMs to the managers that I didn't get a PM from yet later. |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 08-10-2015 19:29
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To get back some activity to the thread I'd like to get back to the calendar discussion. In the spoiler you'll see the calendars of last year:
Spoiler | World Tour | | | | | | Race | Country | StartDate | EndDate | Stages | | Palm Classic | UAE | 111 | 111 | 1 | | Tour of Toowoomba | Australia | 123 | 127 | 5 | | Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco | Spain | 222 | 227 | 6 | | Omloop Het Nieuwsblad | Belgium | 301 | 301 | 1 | | Strade Bianche | Italy | 307 | 307 | 1 | | Vuelta a Tachira | Venezuela | 309 | 318 | 10 | | Milano - Sanremo | Italy | 322 | 322 | 1 | | E3 Prijs Vlaanderen - Harelbeke | Belgium | 328 | 328 | 1 | | Gent - Wevelgem | Belgium | 330 | 330 | 1 | | Ronde van Vlaanderen | Belgium | 404 | 404 | 1 | | Paris - Roubaix | France | 412 | 412 | 1 | | Trofeo Campania | Italy | 419 | 419 | 1 | | Amstel Gold Race | Netherlands | 423 | 423 | 1 | | Liège - Bastogne - Liège | Belgium | 427 | 427 | 1 | | University of Lincoln GP | Britain | 505 | 505 | 1 | | Giro d'Italia | Italy | 509 | 529 | 21 | | Deutschland Tour | Germany | 603 | 611 | 9 | | Vuelta a Guatemala | Guatemala | 604 | 611 | 8 | | Tour of Mount Fuji | Japan | 607 | 611 | 5 | | Tour de France | France | 701 | 721 | 21 | | Tour of Northern Europe | Sweden | 809 | 816 | 8 | | Vattenfall Cyclassics | Germany | 824 | 824 | 1 | | Course de la Paix | Czech Republic | 825 | 830 | 6 | | Vuelta a España | Spain | 901 | 921 | 21 | | Eneco Tour | Belgium | 914 | 920 | 7 | | Quebec Sprint Challenge | Canada | 925 | 925 | 1 | | Bucaramanga Classic | Colombia | 1004 | 1004 | 1 | | Il Lombardia | Italy | 1007 | 1007 | 1 | | La Tropicale Amissa Bongo | Gabon | 1011 | 1017 | 7 | | World TTT Championships | TBA | 1024 | 1024 | 1 | | Continental Tour | | | | | | Race | Country | StartDate | EndDate | Stages | | Vuelta a Mallorca | Spain | 213 | 216 | 4 | | Clasica di Tirreno - Adriatico | Italy | 305 | 305 | 1 | | Roma Maxima | Italy | 309 | 309 | 1 | | Paris - Nice | France | 311 | 318 | 8 | | Istrian Spring Trophy | Croatia | 320 | 323 | 4 | | Wallonië Prijs | Belgium | 407 | 407 | 1 | | Giro del Trentino | Italy | 410 | 414 | 5 | | Rheden GP | Netherlands | 416 | 416 | 1 | | La Flèche Wallonne | Belgium | 426 | 426 | 1 | | Colombia Team GP | Colombia | 430 | 430 | 1 | | Tour des Fjords | Norway | 527 | 530 | 4 | | La Jurassaine | Switzerland | 602 | 602 | 1 | | Tour de Suisse | Switzerland | 614 | 622 | 9 | | La Descente Pavée | France | 627 | 627 | 1 | | Int. Österreich-Rundfahrt | Austria | 702 | 709 | 8 | | Tour of Vancouver | Canada | 723 | 729 | 7 | | Tour de Pologne | Poland | 801 | 807 | 7 | | Baltic Chain Tour | Latvia | 818 | 822 | 5 | | World Ports Classic | Netherlands | 902 | 903 | 2 | | Tour of Britain | Britain | 905 | 912 | 8 | | USA Pro Cycling Challenge | USA | 911 | 917 | 7 | | Paris - Tours | France | 1009 | 1009 | 1 | | Chrono des Nations | France | 1019 | 1019 | 1 | | Japan Cup | Japan | 1021 | 1021 | 1 | | Tour d'Indonesia | Indonesia | 114 | 119 | 6 | | Volta ao Algarve | Portugal | 203 | 206 | 4 | | National Capital Tour | Australia | 223 | 226 | 4 | | Tour of Eritrea | Eritrea | 301 | 304 | 4 | | København Byrundtur | Danmark | 325 | 325 | 1 | | Critérium International | France | 328 | 330 | 3 | | Ster ZLM Tour | Netherlands | 417 | 421 | 5 | | Tour de Romandie | Switzerland | 502 | 507 | 6 | | Amgen Tour of California | USA | 517 | 524 | 8 | | Tour d'Andorra | Andorra | 603 | 607 | 5 | | Rheinland-Pfalz Rundfahrt | Germany | 617 | 621 | 5 | | Le Géant de Provence | France | 629 | 629 | 1 | | Tour of Bulgaria | Bulgaria | 713 | 718 | 6 | | RideLondon–Surrey Classic | Britain | 808 | 808 | 1 | | Vuelta a Colombia | Colombia | 809 | 823 | 15 | | Criterium Hainleite | Germany | 824 | 824 | 1 | | Post Danmark Rundt | Danmark | 826 | 831 | 6 | | Praha - Karlovy Vary - Praha | Czech Republic | 923 | 923 | 1 | | Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec | Canada | 927 | 927 | 1 | | Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal | Canada | 929 | 929 | 1 | | Tour of Bishkek | Kirgizistan | 1001 | 1003 | 3 | | Milano - Torino | Italy | 1006 | 1006 | 1 | | U25 Tour | | | | | | Race | Country | StartDate | EndDate | Stages | | Copa America de Ciclismo | Brazil | 111 | 111 | 1 | | Ronde van Vlaanderen Espoirs | Belgium | 402 | 402 | 1 | | La Côte Picarde | France | 413 | 413 | 1 | | ZLM Tour | Netherlands | 415 | 415 | 1 | | GP Palio del Recioto | Italy | 425 | 425 | 1 | | Liége - Bastogne - Liège Espoirs | Belgium | 428 | 428 | 1 | | Rund um den Finanzplatz Eschborn-Frankfurt U23 | Germany | 501 | 501 | 1 | | Carpathian Couriers Race | Poland | 510 | 514 | 5 | | Paris - Roubaix U25 | France | 601 | 601 | 1 | | Tour de Berlin | Germany | 609 | 613 | 5 | | Coupe des Nations Ville Saguenay | Canada | 624 | 626 | 3 | | Internationale Thüringen-Rundfahrt | Germany | 701 | 708 | 8 | | Chrono San Michel | France | 720 | 720 | 1 | | Cascade Cycling Classic | USA | 801 | 806 | 6 | | Tour de l'Avenir | France | 901 | 908 | 8 | | Paris-Tours Espoirs | France | 1008 | 1008 | 1 |
I think primary target should be to give specializations outside of stage racers the chance to score some more ranking points, that's why I thought to move Worlds Ports Classic up to WT and add a new pure sprinters stage race to the calendar in CT instead.
I think cobblers will get to score more points with an (hopefully) improved PCM15 AI. We still can add that race matt posted on the first page.
I thought about adding a timetrialers stage race or something. I think that can turn out quite cool with a prologue a TTT and two longer ITTs, one hilly one flat. What do you think about that?
The idea of shorter CT GTs was also nice, so I'd bring back the Volta a Portugal, which was also suggested and maybe a to 11 stages reduced Tour of South Africa consisting out of the stages tsmoha made. Also the Vuelta a Colombia would be reduced to 11.
Last season the African stage races weren't really heavily contested, so with the Tour of SA added, I'd might remove the Tour of Eritrea and move Bongo to CT. But I'd still like to have a race from each continent in the WT, so I'd like to add an African one day race to the WT any ideas?
I know the descente pavee race isn't really liked all around but I'd still keep it. It's kind of a fun race.
Are there any more races you guys would like to see removed or do you have any more ideas for new races?
What do you think? 
Also I now edited the equipment table standardized every team will use Merida frames, Campagnolo wheels and Groups, Giro Helmets and Oakley glasses. You can change that though if you like in the spoiler are the available brands:
Spoiler Frames:
| 1 | Argon18 | | 2 | Author | | 4 | Berria | | 5 | BH | | 6 | Bianchi | | 7 | BMC | | 8 | Boardman | | 9 | Bottecchia | | 10 | Cannondale | | 11 | Canyon | | 12 | Carrerra | | 13 | Cervelo | | 15 | Cipollini | | 16 | CKT | | 17 | Colnago | | 18 | Condor | | 19 | Corratec | | 20 | Cube | | 21 | De Rosa | | 24 | Felt | | 26 | Focus | | 27 | Fondriest | | 28 | Fuji | | 30 | Genesis | | 32 | Giant | | 33 | Guerciotti | | 36 | Isaac | | 37 | Jamis | | 38 | Jorbi | | 39 | Kemo | | 41 | Koga | | 42 | KTM | | 43 | Kuota | | 44 | Lapierre | | 46 | Look | | 47 | Merckx | | 48 | Merida | | 51 | Orbea | | 53 | Pinarello | | 59 | Raleigh | | 60 | Ridley | | 61 | Rose | | 62 | SCOTT | | 63 | Simplon | | 64 | Specialized | | 66 | Swift | | 69 | Trek | | 70 | Viner | | 71 | Vitus | | 72 | Vivelo | | 73 | Wilier |
Wheels:
| 80 | Bontrager | | 81 | Campagnolo | | 82 | Corima | | 84 | FFWD | | 85 | Fulcrum | | 86 | Lightweight | | 87 | Mavic | | 90 | Shimano | | 91 | Vision | | 92 | Zipp | | 93 | Black Inc. | | 94 | Deda Elementi | | 95 | Ursus | | 123 | HED | | 124 | Oval | | 125 | DTSwiss | | 126 | Enve Composites | | 127 | 3T |
Groupsets:
| 100 | Shimano | | 101 | Campagnolo | | 102 | SRAM |
Helmets:
| 3 | Specialized Hlm | | 14 | Ekoi | | 22 | Giro | | 23 | Uvex | | 34 | Suomy | | 35 | Lazer | | 40 | Catlike | | 45 | Scott Hlm | | 49 | POC | | 50 | Giant Hlm | | 54 | Bell | | 55 | Kask | | 56 | Bontrager Hlm | | 57 | TEC | | 58 | Briko | | 65 | Abus | | 67 | Spiuk Hlm | | 68 | MET | | 74 | Vittoria | | 75 | Casco | | 76 | Smith | | 77 | SH | | 78 | Alpina | | 79 | Cannondale Hlm | | 83 | Rudy Hlm | | 88 | Force | | 89 | Louis Garneau | | 96 | BBB | | 97 | Orbea Hlm | | 98 | Limar | | 99 | Ranking |
Glasses:
| 110 | Adidas | | 111 | Oakley | | 112 | Rudy | | 113 | Salice | | 114 | Spiuk | | 115 | Uvex Gls |
If you want to change that use the following table:
| TeamID | BrandID | | 00 | FR | | 00 | WH | | 00 | GR | | 00 | HL | | 00 | GL |
Replace all the 00s with your teamID and change the letters into the ID of the brand you want to use for 1Frames 2Wheels 3Groupsets 4Helmets and 5Glasses and post it in this thread. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 08-10-2015 19:32
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Well, with one screenshot per race, I would not put too much effort in frames/wheels etc
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 08-10-2015 19:41
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| TeamID | BrandID | | 52 | 51 | | 52 | 81 | | 00 | 101 | | 00 | 22 | | 00 | 111 |
No Bolle glasses  
I think the time-triallist race sounds interesting, as well as the three 11 stage CT "GTs". I think something like Waghlon's BMX race would be fun, but not sure if it's been converted. Would you consider SN's olympics as well?
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| Scatmaster111 |
Posted on 08-10-2015 19:50
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Weird coincidence that in Jamaica we have a radio station called Zip 92 FM.
| TeamID | BrandID | | 56 | 64 | | 56 | 92 | | 56 | 100 | | 56 | 3 | | 56 | 110 |
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| The Rider |
Posted on 08-10-2015 20:09
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B-x - Yeah, keep the Descent Pavee, I'd say, it is different and probably the most breath-taking race on the calendar.
For the WT calendar, here is what I think:
- To change things up I would like to see at least one stage race (for GC guys) clash with at least one GT. (ie Mount Fuji to clash with the TDF).
- We should scrap that WT triple header for sure (at least one of the races).
- Could we start the WT calendar with the Toowoomba stage race, and start the race with a TTT? It would be nice to have a TTT to start us off, I feel.
Edited by The Rider on 08-10-2015 20:16
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| krisa |
Posted on 08-10-2015 20:33
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 08-10-2015 20:38
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Here's my equipment if it matters.
Spoiler | TeamID | BrandID | | 34 | 6 | | 34 | 125 | | 34 | 102 | | 34 | 22 | | 34 | 112 |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 08-10-2015 20:40
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I think it'd be good if some cobbled races were in continental tour. IMo there are also enough sprinter-events in World Tour already, plus lots of fitting stages.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 08-10-2015 20:43
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I thought about adding a timetrialers stage race or something. I think that can turn out quite cool with a prologue a TTT and two longer ITTs, one hilly one flat. What do you think about that?
This please. I feel that Time Trialists have too few events where they can win their teams some points. I mean look at where the best TTist in the db ended up in the prestige rankings this year:
| 70 | Tony Martin | Celesio Pro Cycling | GER | 698 |
I'd definitely be pro-ttists stage race for that reason. And why not, Chrono des Nations to WT with Chrono des Herbiers new race in CT or viceversa?
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| TeamID | BrandID | | 42 | 153 | | 42 | 281 | | 42 | 3101 | | 42 | 422 | | 42 | 5113 |
I think something like Waghlon's BMX race would be fun, but not sure if it's been converted.
u mad bruh?
Have you ever even played that race? That would just be plain dumb to add to the calendar!
Edited by matt17br on 08-10-2015 20:53
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| krisa |
Posted on 08-10-2015 20:48
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matt17br wrote:
I thought about adding a timetrialers stage race or something. I think that can turn out quite cool with a prologue a TTT and two longer ITTs, one hilly one flat. What do you think about that?
This please. I feel that Time Trialists have too few events where they can win their teams some points. I mean look at where the best TTist in the db ended up in the prestige rankings this year:
| 70 | Tony Martin | Celesio Pro Cycling | GER | 698 |
I'd definitely be pro-ttists stage race for that reason.
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| TeamID | BrandID | | 42 | 153 | | 42 | 281 | | 42 | 3101 | | 42 | 422 | | 42 | 5113 |
I think something like Waghlon's BMX race would be fun, but not sure if it's been converted.
u mad bruh?
Have you ever even played that race? That would just be plain dumb to add to the calendar! You are saying this cause you bought Malori 
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