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| vismitananda |
Posted on 04-09-2015 14:53
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Meanwhile in my country we had this Tour called "Marlboro Tour" during the 50's-80's that consist of 22-24 stages, that completely visits the entire archipelago, too bad this race is dead, after the main sponsors dropped out.
Today this race only consist of 4-8 stages and is part of the UCI Asia Tour. In my country cycling isn't a well known sport, but we have world champions in boxing, like our very own Manny Pacquiao.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 04-09-2015 16:00
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There are more UCI races taking place in Britain these days. It's certainly growing.
In 2006, there was only the 2.1 Tour of Britain.
Now, the Tour of Britain is 2.HC, we have a 2nd stage race for the first time in the 2.1 Tour of Yorkshire. Then there is Ride London (1.HC), Velothon Wales (1.1) and two 1.2 races.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 05-09-2015 03:33
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Ollfardh wrote:
We really don't need another Tour De Beijing added to the WT calendar. If cycling is popular, let it grow and promote races when they deserve it. Tour of California could be WT for the USA, but they don't want it. Tour Down Under is WT, but just has a horrible spot on the calendar. If you move it to a better place, it would be a better race. In GB, Tour of Britain might be WT, but it also needs to be moved out of the WC week. And even then, it will most likely be one of the lamest WT races to watch. I have my doubts on Colombia having the budget of organising a big race.
Yeah but outside of moving into Febuary where else in the calendar is it going to fit? The teams like it in January as it's the start of there season, if you moved it any further than say the first couple of weeks in Feb then the costs skyrocket for the teams to transport the equipment and staff down to Australia if you have racing already going on. Also the only reason it work in Australia is that January is holiday time so that's why you get big crowds, move it and people won't be able to go and if people don't go the funding for the event will drop as it draws in good money for the South Australian economy.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 05-09-2015 03:41
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vismitananda wrote:
Meanwhile in my country we had this Tour called "Marlboro Tour" during the 50's-80's that consist of 22-24 stages, that completely visits the entire archipelago, too bad this race is dead, after the main sponsors dropped out.
Today this race only consist of 4-8 stages and is part of the UCI Asia Tour. In my country cycling isn't a well known sport, but we have world champions in boxing, like our very own Manny Pacquiao.
Marlboro only sponsored the race between 79-98 and before that it was the Tour of Luzon, anyway Marlboro isn't a great brand to be sponsoring a cycling that's just nitpicking and I agree it is a pity race isn't as big as it was long, always good to have long tours in the smaller cycling nations.
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| Movistar |
Posted on 05-09-2015 04:08
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Spilak23 wrote:
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For example UCI has forbidden the use of the Puerto de Letras in the Vuelta a Colombia (which is the only UCI race in Colombia)
I would be curious to hear the story on this.
It used to be part of the Vuelta a Colombia. It was last used in 2007 I think. The stage was 120 km long and the riders did almost 5 hours to complete it. Santi Botero won that stage. Look at the gaps:
It hasn't been used since.
Thanks for the info, I guess my question goes to why the UCI would ban that mountain but allow say stage 11 that we just saw in the Vuelta.
They are both difficult stages but one has one huge climb while the other has multiple difficult climbs.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 05-09-2015 06:29
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Movistar wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Movistar wrote:
For example UCI has forbidden the use of the Puerto de Letras in the Vuelta a Colombia (which is the only UCI race in Colombia)
I would be curious to hear the story on this.
It used to be part of the Vuelta a Colombia. It was last used in 2007 I think. The stage was 120 km long and the riders did almost 5 hours to complete it. Santi Botero won that stage. Look at the gaps:
It hasn't been used since.
Thanks for the info, I guess my question goes to why the UCI would ban that mountain but allow say stage 11 that we just saw in the Vuelta.
They are both difficult stages but one has one huge climb while the other has multiple difficult climbs.
Just seems like more UCI bullshit to me.
Multiple climb stages like stage 11 in the Vuelta can't be compared to that beast of a climb, my thinking it is a climb of that length at that altitude kills competition which is the reason of the ban, I agree that they didn't really need to ban it as I think the race organises would most likely stop including it anyway with the crazy time gaps it produces.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 05-09-2015 06:35
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Strydz wrote:
Movistar wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Movistar wrote:
For example UCI has forbidden the use of the Puerto de Letras in the Vuelta a Colombia (which is the only UCI race in Colombia)
I would be curious to hear the story on this.
It used to be part of the Vuelta a Colombia. It was last used in 2007 I think. The stage was 120 km long and the riders did almost 5 hours to complete it. Santi Botero won that stage. Look at the gaps:
It hasn't been used since.
Thanks for the info, I guess my question goes to why the UCI would ban that mountain but allow say stage 11 that we just saw in the Vuelta.
They are both difficult stages but one has one huge climb while the other has multiple difficult climbs.
Just seems like more UCI bullshit to me.
Multiple climb stages like stage 11 in the Vuelta can't be compared to that beast of a climb, my thinking it is a climb of that length at that altitude kills competition which is the reason of the ban, I agree that they didn't really need to ban it as I think the race organises would most likely stop including it anyway with the crazy time gaps it produces.
Just put in a 200km time trial to balance it out. 
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 05-09-2015 06:35
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Strydz wrote:
Movistar wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Movistar wrote:
For example UCI has forbidden the use of the Puerto de Letras in the Vuelta a Colombia (which is the only UCI race in Colombia)
I would be curious to hear the story on this.
It used to be part of the Vuelta a Colombia. It was last used in 2007 I think. The stage was 120 km long and the riders did almost 5 hours to complete it. Santi Botero won that stage. Look at the gaps:
It hasn't been used since.
Thanks for the info, I guess my question goes to why the UCI would ban that mountain but allow say stage 11 that we just saw in the Vuelta.
They are both difficult stages but one has one huge climb while the other has multiple difficult climbs.
Just seems like more UCI bullshit to me.
Multiple climb stages like stage 11 in the Vuelta can't be compared to that beast of a climb, my thinking it is a climb of that length at that altitude kills competition which is the reason of the ban, I agree that they didn't really need to ban it as I think the race organises would most likely stop including it anyway with the crazy time gaps it produces.
Just put in a 200km time trial to balance it out.
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| vismitananda |
Posted on 05-09-2015 06:52
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Strydz wrote:
vismitananda wrote:
Meanwhile in my country we had this Tour called "Marlboro Tour" during the 50's-80's that consist of 22-24 stages, that completely visits the entire archipelago, too bad this race is dead, after the main sponsors dropped out.
Today this race only consist of 4-8 stages and is part of the UCI Asia Tour. In my country cycling isn't a well known sport, but we have world champions in boxing, like our very own Manny Pacquiao.
Marlboro only sponsored the race between 79-98 and before that it was the Tour of Luzon, anyway Marlboro isn't a great brand to be sponsoring a cycling that's just nitpicking and I agree it is a pity race isn't as big as it was long, always good to have long tours in the smaller cycling nations.
They became the major sponsor in 79-98, they have been a minor sponsor during earlier tours. Most of our Continental teams and U23 riders are competing outside the country, such as Tour de Langkawi, etc. I also forgot that these 3 weeks race is still alive, look for LBC Ronda Pilipinas, It has 10-15 stages across the country. I was able to meet Mike Terpstra, and some other European Continental Teams who participated in that race. 
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| Strydz |
Posted on 05-09-2015 07:03
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vismitananda wrote:
Strydz wrote:
vismitananda wrote:
Meanwhile in my country we had this Tour called "Marlboro Tour" during the 50's-80's that consist of 22-24 stages, that completely visits the entire archipelago, too bad this race is dead, after the main sponsors dropped out.
Today this race only consist of 4-8 stages and is part of the UCI Asia Tour. In my country cycling isn't a well known sport, but we have world champions in boxing, like our very own Manny Pacquiao.
Marlboro only sponsored the race between 79-98 and before that it was the Tour of Luzon, anyway Marlboro isn't a great brand to be sponsoring a cycling that's just nitpicking and I agree it is a pity race isn't as big as it was long, always good to have long tours in the smaller cycling nations.
They became the major sponsor in 79-98, they have been a minor sponsor during earlier tours. Most of our Continental teams and U23 riders are competing outside the country, such as Tour de Langkawi, etc. I also forgot that these 3 weeks race is still alive, look for LBC Ronda Pilipinas, It has 10-15 stages across the country. I was able to meet Mike Terpstra, and some other European Continental Teams who participated in that race.
That's awesome! Also thanks for the info
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 05-09-2015 18:07
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That's not Letras; way too many hairpins. From the top of my head I think that road is in China somewhere but I'm not sure.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 05-09-2015 18:20
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Stromeon wrote:
That's not Letras; way too many hairpins. From the top of my head I think that road is in China somewhere but I'm not sure.
The name of the mountain you are looking for is Tianmen, I love hairpins and its on my bucket list of climbs to do
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 05-09-2015 18:23
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Strydz wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
That's not Letras; way too many hairpins. From the top of my head I think that road is in China somewhere but I'm not sure.
The name of the mountain you are looking for is Tianmen, I love hairpins and its on my bucket list of climbs to do
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| Strydz |
Posted on 05-09-2015 18:25
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Ian Butler wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
That's not Letras; way too many hairpins. From the top of my head I think that road is in China somewhere but I'm not sure.
The name of the mountain you are looking for is Tianmen, I love hairpins and its on my bucket list of climbs to do
New Everest challenge?
You better believe it!
Edit: looking at the climb it should only be 7 repeats and with those hairpins about 2 sets of brake pads
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| Movistar |
Posted on 05-09-2015 21:24
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Multiple climb stages like stage 11 in the Vuelta can't be compared to that beast of a climb, my thinking it is a climb of that length at that altitude kills competition which is the reason of the ban, I agree that they didn't really need to ban it as I think the race organises would most likely stop including it anyway with the crazy time gaps it produces.
I would agree that the altitude is the biggest factor. But from climbing KMs and gradient those stages are similar. I guess my point is where does the UCI get off banning something a race wants to do. The riders know the profile and dont have enter if they dont want to.
From a smart race design standpoint like you said it is probably stupid as that single stage will dictate the entire race and no stage race wants that. |
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Posted on 06-09-2015 20:01
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