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Sky Doping/Hate Thread
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 21-07-2015 19:11
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What did you say How dare you?!!!!
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Posted on 06-12-2025 12:47
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 21-07-2015 19:23
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udoi wrote:
An English rider in the yellow jersey unfortunately bothers many
No but Kenyan riders in yellow bother me indeed. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-07-2015 19:30
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It is weird that the reason a Kenyan rider is hated on is because he's Englsh, isn't it?
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 21-07-2015 19:47
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I like Froome...
EDIT: LOL... https://www.youtu...e=youtu.be
Edited by Paul23 on 21-07-2015 19:55
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 21-07-2015 19:54
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According to Brailsford, Froome's w/kg on Pierre Saint Martin only was 5,78, although consensus is among 'pseudoscientists' is it was 6,1 w/Kg which tend to be incredibly precise estimates.. much rather don't be transparent at all than half heartedly publishing a few numbers here and there (including cadence, like wtf, that doesnt tell jackshit anyways..) which really cant be used for anything and probably is bullshit.
Well, but trying be a little objective here, that is the case for the rest of the peloton as well I guess. The zero tolerance hypocrisy and the fact that they dominate races with riders who should be inferior climbers just annoys me. Do they just train, prepare, eat etc. better than the rest? Well, I guess thats a part (although small) of their success, but within marginal gains lies that they are only margianl and no matter how much marginal gains you add up, they doesnt get this significant.
Stromeon: I enjoyed you what you wrote on previous pages, I didnt know that. I thought that JV probably was the guy in the modern peloton who had the strongest stance against doping |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 21-07-2015 20:47
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This is so amazingly well done, every single line a winner! 
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 21-07-2015 20:49
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hi guys must listen to paul kimmage on the radio tonight
https://soundclou...-de-france
Edited by deek12345 on 21-07-2015 20:55
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 21-07-2015 21:02
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Cav isn't English I'm afraid, old chap. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 21-07-2015 21:10
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Is Froome really English then 
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 21-07-2015 21:13
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Cav isn't English I'm afraid, old chap.
But nitpicking aside, I'd love to see him in yellow but its becoming unlikely after the Corsica and Harrogate debacles.
As for Froome, he's clean until proven to be guilty. So long may he keep winning. If he's just a talented athlete then fair enough - you dont get people running to slaughter Usain Bolt, nor did you with Michael Johnson. You cant assume they're doping just because they're good.
Also theres something quite perverse about roadside fans abusing a guy for allegedly doping when there are rivals around him who have been busted for it in the past. Its all become a shambles and it makes a mockery of the sport. |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 21-07-2015 21:17
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Riis123 wrote:
According to Brailsford, Froome's w/kg on Pierre Saint Martin only was 5,78, although consensus is among 'pseudoscientists' is it was 6,1 w/Kg which tend to be incredibly precise estimates.. much rather don't be transparent at all than half heartedly publishing a few numbers here and there (including cadence, like wtf, that doesnt tell jackshit anyways..) which really cant be used for anything and probably is bullshit.
Well, but trying be a little objective here, that is the case for the rest of the peloton as well I guess. The zero tolerance hypocrisy and the fact that they dominate races with riders who should be inferior climbers just annoys me. Do they just train, prepare, eat etc. better than the rest? Well, I guess thats a part (although small) of their success, but within marginal gains lies that they are only margianl and no matter how much marginal gains you add up, they doesnt get this significant.
Stromeon: I enjoyed you what you wrote on previous pages, I didnt know that. I thought that JV probably was the guy in the modern peloton who had the strongest stance against doping
Fucking Brailsford. Just a complete piece of garbage. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 21-07-2015 21:23
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Gesink published his data from La Pierre-Saint-Martin on strava.
Gesink did betweeen 5,76-6,01 w/kg for that climb and Froome did 5.78 and still puts 1:33 into him?
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| ryant |
Posted on 21-07-2015 21:24
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Gesink published his files from La Pierre-Saint-Martin.
Gesink did betweeen 5,76-6,01 w/kg for that climb and Froome did 5.78 and still puts 1:33 into him?
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Dont worry, people in England will eat this shit for breakfast, remember, the Froome way is the right way
 John St Ledger in Team Bunzl-Centrica and Team U25Red Bull Driver in RFactor
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| Movistar |
Posted on 21-07-2015 21:27
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Gesink published his data from La Pierre-Saint-Martin on strava.
Gesink did betweeen 5,76-6,01 w/kg for that climb and Froome did 5.78 and still puts 1:33 into him?
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Haha awesome, someone please tweet this to Brailsford. See how fast he blocks you. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 21-07-2015 21:47
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I can't grasp how much Brailsford pisses me off. Fuck his zero-tolerance and marginal gains...... meh |
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| nobeer |
Posted on 21-07-2015 21:48
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Gesink weights more than Froome, genius  |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-07-2015 21:50
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Watts per kg, genius.
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| Movistar |
Posted on 21-07-2015 22:14
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Riis123 wrote:
I can't grasp how much Brailsford pisses me off. Fuck his zero-tolerance and marginal gains...... meh
He is just the fucking worst. |
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 21-07-2015 22:33
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“For that 41:30, Chris had an average power of 414 watts, which gives a 1602 VAM. We know power Osymetric chainrings (used by Froome) over estimate power by about 6 per cent. That’s why it has to be considered when interpreting Chris’ power. With his weight hovering around 67.5kg that gives a correct power of 5.78 watts per kilo.”
- Tim Kerrison, Sky
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-...m-stage-10
414/68 = 6.09 w/kg
Not sure about the osymetric chainrings? |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-07-2015 22:41
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Wait. Isn't "overestimating a power output by 6%" practically the same as "increasing your performance by 6%"?
If so, I'm very interested who uses those chainrings because they're basically riding a separate race then.
If not, I'm just tired.
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