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EPIC - Season 2 Part 1
Luis Leon Sanchez
I thought I had Brenes in that screenshot.


 
Ollfardh
Yeah, it might be double, but a few of them were missing for sure Wink


Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
sgdanny
How about giving us, which is already online now our goals first? xD The others aren't even online and we're actually waiting for ours Grin


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TheManxMissile
So i had some thoughts about Goals and decided to collect them all into one place to get a better understanding of the system. Below is the current list of Goals, where C stands for Counter. Some gaps where the UCI has yet to respond and obviously missing teams who are yet to set goals.

Spoiler
Paris-NiceTop5 GCTrekTirrenoStage WinBardini
E3 PrijsTop3TrekAlmeriaWinBardini
TDUTop2 GCTrekMSRTop3Bardini
CatalunyaTop10 GCTrek CSan LuisStage WinBardini C
TirrenoStage WinTrek CQatarStage WinBardini C
San LuisTop3 GCTrek CAlgarveTop5 GCBardini C
San LuisTop5 GCGiantCrit IntStage WinLampre
TDUStage WinGiantLangkawiTop10 GCLampre
E3 PrijsTop3GiantOmanWin GCLampre
TirrenoTop10 GCGiant CQatarStage WinLampre C
Paris-NiceStage WinGiant CTirrenoTop5 GCLampre C
KBKTop3Giant CMSRTop5Lampre
StradeTop12OricaLangkawiTop10 GCCaja
TDUWin GCOricaSan LuisTop5 GCCaja
Paris-NiceTop5 GCOricaCatalunyaTop5 GCCaja
TirrenoTop7 GCOrica CAlmeriaTop10Caja C
LangkawiStage WinOrica COmanStage WinCaja C
MSRTop3Orica CIndurainTop5Caja C
TirrenoTop10 GCCannondaleSan LuisTop10 GCMTN
GentTop5CannondaleGabonStage WinMTN
MSRTop3CannondaleAlmeriaWinMTN
CatalunyaStage WinCannondale COmanTop10 GCMTN C
TDUTop5 GCCannondale CQatarStage WinMTN C
StradeWinCannondale CMSRTop3MTN C
Paris-NiceTop10 GCEuskaltelLimburgTop3VCD
CatalunyaTop5 GCEuskaltelTirrenoTop5 GCVCD
IndurainWinEuskaltelStradeWinVCD
TDUTop10 GCEuskaltel CMarseillaiseTop10VCD C
AlmeriaTop5Euskaltel CAlgarveStage WinVCD C
GentTop5Euskaltel CGentTop5VCD C
MSRTop10AstanaStradeTop10Androni
GabonTop3 GCAstanaTirrenoTop10 GCAndroni
TirrenoWin GCAstanaCrit IntWin GCAndroni
OmanStage WinAstana CMSRTop10Androni C
CatalunyaTop5 GCAstana CTDUStage WinAndroni C
E3 PrijsTop3Astana CIndurainTop5Androni C
E3 PrijsTop10OPQSMarseillaiseTop10FDJ
Paris-NiceTop3 GCOPQSParis-NiceStage WinFDJ
MSRWinOPQSCrit IntTop5 GCFDJ
TirrenoStage WinOPQS COmanTop10 GCFDJ C
CatalunyaTop5 GCOPQS CMSRTop5FDJ C
GentTop3OPQS CDDVTop3FDJ C
TirrenoTop10 GCBMCLangkawiTop10 GCCCC
TDUStage WinBMCMaximaTop3CCC
MSRTop3BMCGabonStage WinCCC
BMC CCrit IntTop10 GCCCC C
BMC CMarseillaiseTop5CCC C
BMC CTDUStage WinCCC C
TirrenoTop10 GCBelkinLimburgTop10ALM
LimburgTop3BelkinSan LuisStage WinALM
E3 PrijsWinBelkinParis-NiceTop3 GCALM
Paris-NiceTop10 GCBelkin CALM C
De PanneStage WinBelkin CALM C
MSRTop3Belkin CALM C
MarseillaiseTop10Cofidis
De PanneTop5 GCCofidis
Paris-NiceTop5 GCCofidis
NokereTop10Cofidis C
Crit IntTop10 GCCofidis C
GentTop5Cofidis C
StradeTop10Champion
AlgarveTop3 GCChampion
Paris-NiceStage WinChampion
LangkawiTop10 GCChampion C
OmanStage WinChampion C
TDUTop5 GCChampion C
OmanTop10 GCColombia
Paris-NiceTop10 GCColombia
LangkawiPoints JerseyColombia
Colombia C
Colombia C
Colombia C
TDUTop3 StageIAM
MSRTop10IAM
OmloopWinIAM
De PanneTop10 GCIAM C
AlgarveTop5 GCIAM C
QatarStage WinIAM C


Tomorrow i will spend some time doing a breakdown of race specific goals, how own set and UCI set goals differ and an overall look at the difficulties of goals. For now though i've got some basic numbers:

PCT
17 Stage Win Goals
5 Win Goals (Race or GC)
5 Top3 Goals (Race or GC)
16 Top5 Goals (Race or GC)
22 Top10 Goals (Race or GC)
1 Points Jersey
1 Stage Podium (Seriously wtf is this goal?)

WT
10 Stage Wins Goals
6 Win Goals (Race or GC)
14 Top3 Goals (Race or GC)
10 Top5 Goals (Race or GC)
11 Top10 Goals (Race or GC)
1 Top2 Goal (Seriously, why not just Win or Top3?)
1 Top12 Goal (Seriously, why not just Top10?)
1 Top7 Goal (Ok this was the counter to the stupid Top12 goal so i'll give it a pass)

Just 1 more win Goal for the WT teams at this point, considering the gap in quality i feel this should be higher (but of course Sky and Movistar and Tinkoff are yet to declare so i expect that to at least double by the end).
PCT teams primarily going for Top10's. Even split between Stage Wins and Top5's. WT much more balanced in goal distribution.

Like i said this is just very basic catagorisation analysis. I will dig deeper and start comparing qualities and things that are slightly more important tomorow. But it's a start and gives an overview to everyone of who is targeting what (and who is paying off the UCI)


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Ollfardh
Interesting list. I have to admit, I don't give it that much thought. I try look at home races (Italian teams get San Remo goals) and I try to give everyone at least 1 GC, 1 Stage Win and 1 classic result. And well, I only give the cunter goals of course, the other half of the list is beyong my control Wink

And I don't think you can compare CT to WT without also considering the difference in race category.


Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
TheManxMissile
Ollfardh wrote:
And I don't think you can compare CT to WT without also considering the difference in race category.


Going to be my focus area tomorrow is comparing the goals in terms of race catagories. I will probably work on various analysis throughout the season part to provide some serious feedback before Part 2 because something about Goals just feels a bit off to me and hopefully i can quantify that feeling


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sgdanny


i.imgur.com/pyvc2uc.png
 
The Hobbit
Ollfardh wrote:
I try to give everyone at least 1 GC, 1 Stage Win and 1 classic result.


Well... That explains a lot :lol: a pretty annoying system for me, but that is mainly down to how hilariously unbalanced my team is. Generally I think the goal system is good, if a little too hard. I haven't done any statistics, but I imagine the average goal completion is below/around 50%, which means you may as well set 3 ridiculously easy goals and give up on the counters.

 
Shonak
When will the second list of races be announced?


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Ollfardh
I gave people till monday, though I'm starting to regret it now Pfft


Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
Forever the Best
Ollfardh wrote:
I gave people till monday, though I'm starting to regret it now Pfft
I sent today,you saw it,right?


The user formerly known as 'The Schleck Fan'
Gracias Alberto.
 
Ollfardh
No, I've had so many PMs today I deleted them without reading Smile


Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
Cycleman123
Well you'll understand it's a Top 12 because I have Evans Pfft


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OZrocker
brewers90 wrote:
All CT races have the same rules LLS. 6-8 riders regardless of real life rules.

I'm starting to prepare individual schedules, so I'm just checking to make sure this is true because 2014 San Luis startlist seems to have a 6 rider maximum for non-Argentine teams.

EDIT: Same for Langkawi, 6 riders per team


Edited by OZrocker on 24-01-2015 06:22
 
Cycleman123
OZrocker wrote:
brewers90 wrote:
All CT races have the same rules LLS. 6-8 riders regardless of real life rules.

I'm starting to prepare individual schedules, so I'm just checking to make sure this is true because 2014 San Luis startlist seems to have a 6 rider maximum for non-Argentine teams.

EDIT: Same for Langkawi, 6 riders per team


Not in this


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Ollfardh
All CT races are 6-8 riders, your choice Smile

WT is the RL number of riders.

And The Schleck Fan, you really didn't have to resend that PM Pfft


Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
Forever the Best
Ollfardh wrote:
All CT races are 6-8 riders, your choice Smile

WT is the RL number of riders.

And The Schleck Fan, you really didn't have to resend that PM Pfft
NevermindPfft


The user formerly known as 'The Schleck Fan'
Gracias Alberto.
 
trekbmc
Is the second round of schedules coming today?





"What done is, is one." - Benji Naesen
 
jaxika
trekbmc wrote:
Is the second round of schedules coming today?

I think monday was the deadline Wink

 
trekbmc
jaxika wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Is the second round of schedules coming today?

I think monday was the deadline Wink


Nevermind, it's Monday for me and I forgot that in Europe it's not Monday until tonight.





"What done is, is one." - Benji Naesen
 
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