Well, looks like the end of the usual gripe I used to have with your stats Dankan: Gutierrez overrated in TT and underrated in almost everything else

Well, maybe you're right, but he's not as strong as other riders with lower stats. It also depends on the field he's commited to ride... or would you think 74 MTN/HIL for Koldo Gil is fair, provided that he even was up front in classics like the Flèche Wallonne? That's because he's riding in Portugal, where the field is not so strongly rated (best climbers like "AWD" Cândido, Plaza and Barbosa are 74 MTN). About the TT-thing: I think it's just. As strong as Wiggins, who's an authentic rouleur but didn't succeed on making good TT's at the right places, and a bit over Millar and Hoste (who proved to be a little worse than him). I think his stats are right.

I think you misunderstood me: I think you used to overrate him in TT and underrate in everything else in the past. This time I fully agree with how he compares to everyone else.

"used to" is an expression. it means "you did in the past"

Well, it was my fault. But now y'all see I'm eager to talk on stats ops:

As for Wiggins, I don't think there's a correct way of rating him because there's no prologue stat. same with Hushovd, Ladagnous and other prologue specialists. So nothing anyone does will ever be fully realistic. it ends up being a compromise.

Heck, even if the TT is 20kms long the relative performances of riders will be completely different than what they are in a 50km TT.

It's really the game's mechanics' fault on that one.

Well, you can make some effect on that: give "prologuists" bad stamina values, and let pure trimetrialists get good secondary values. It often does the trick and makes riders like Wiggins fail in long TT's. But then you must care yourself by not giving them decent climbing values: they'd be fighting for classics at the end.

By "stamina" do you mean RES or END? I've always done exactly that, but with RES. And it seemed to work. But the effect wasn't nearly as big as in real life

(in the screenshot, RES = RES and ENE = END)

"Resistance". Energy stands for "the green bar".

Good. we're both talking about the exact same thing then

(And yes I know which stat is for which bar)

I dont see why Kloden would be the 2nd best time trialer...

I don't see why he should not.

on what results did you base it? I mean, what time trials has he won or done well in last year(s)?

he won the Tirreno-Adriatico last year which has a 20km ITT in it in which he came 2nd to Schumacher. He came 2nd behind Cancellara in last years TdF prologue. 2nd overall in the TdF the year before, with the exclusion of Landis, which as we all know, requires you to be a very good time trialler. Also 2nd overall in the 2004 TdF.

I think he's a very good time trialist to be honest

I think 78 is perfect for him

where is "Il Falco"? He deserves to be there.

What about Evans? Should at least be on par with Millar etc. Zabriskie might be a bit high aswell. Havent really made any great TT results lately. Decent, but not on the same level as Klöden.

Millar is overrated. If he has that high stats, then Hushovd should have the same....

You'll never see hushovd beat millar in a 10km+ TT. Hushovd is very good in prologues, but not in longer TT's.

Where is László Bodrogi? He is the winner of the bronze medal in the world champs! :S

Silver medal sorry! I think he has to be in the top5 at least! :S

These stats are just perfect, great job Dankan!

Nice stats, but Thomas Dekker is overrated

Cancellara with 70 in sprint? hehe

Evans should have atleast 76 for tt

Bodrogi should have around 77

Bad db!

or I mean shitty

What's Hushovds stats?
He should be on like 74-75