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Stage makers cooperate to make 2010 Grand Tours
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Stage making for PCM has never been easy, and for the same reason, there's always been a lack of them. Earlier this year / last year, we saw the consequences of this in the 2009 DBs for PCM08 as only very few races were updated to its 2009 route. E.g., only the Giro d'Italia, made solely by Johan92, made it to the final version of PCM.daily's 2009 DB for PCM08.

But this year is different. Although there's still a lack of stage makers, it looks like we will get to experience the 2010 Grand Tours in PCM09. Why? Because of a unique cooperation between stage makers across the communities. E.g., 10 stage makers are currently involved in the making of the 2010 Tour de France, while another 9-10 stage makers are working on the 2010 Giro d'Italia. Plenty of the stages have already been made - so, there's reasons to be optimistic.

Anyway, the point of this news article is to support this great collaboration and make the remaining stage makers aware of it and hopefully team up. You can read more about the Giro project here and the Tour project here. It's primarily in French, but it should be pretty self-explanatory. And if you ask, people will definitely help translating it to English.

Comments
#1 | sciby on 06. November 2009 12:16
Yepp, the release of the stages profil is very early this year but the most stages are very bad. E.G. many have misstakes, bad roads and completely simple made. Thats not what should be in a game.
#2 | CrueTrue on 06. November 2009 12:55
It's better than not having the stages at all Wink
#3 | sciby on 06. November 2009 17:02
Yes, but it is nothing that should be in a game on release day. Only to have all stages they take very bad ones. (eg the Atlantis cities or smaal serpentines or stages with no cities.)
#4 | Johan92 on 06. November 2009 17:15
Cyanide would make the stages themselves anyway.
#5 | sciby on 06. November 2009 21:26
What would be more a shame for them, because 80% of the stages in 09 were too bad for a released game
#6 | Johan92 on 07. November 2009 14:23
90% of the players, probably wouldn't notice if the stage was good, or a shame to be released with the game.
#7 | sciby on 07. November 2009 18:43
Thats right, but I get angry when I am seeing those misstakes.
#8 | armagetronmv on 08. November 2009 14:14
Hey, Sciby. Don't worry. I'm sure that the best stage makers can help the newbies to make their stages look better.Roma wasn't build in one day. Thans Cruetrue for this news Wink
#9 | sciby on 08. November 2009 17:51
you are right, but some stages I saw that were very bad were from one of the best stagemakers.
#10 | SportingNonsense on 09. November 2009 22:11
sciby, nobody is stopping you making your own Wink
#11 | armagetronmv on 10. November 2009 09:19
No Problem Sporting, I still discussed with Sciby by pm and I try to resolve the problemWink. Althought, everybody can tell if he see anything wrong with the stages. Nobody's perfect Embarassed
#12 | sciby on 10. November 2009 13:11
If cya wants me to make stages, I will do and I will do much with giving my best (like you can see in my Big Germany Tour). But its nonsense to make stages now with the old SE, so I wait for the new one
#13 | armagetronmv on 10. November 2009 22:17
Nice pun sciby Grin
#14 | CrueTrue on 14. November 2009 14:58
Just to clarify: These stages will NOT be featured in PCM10, they won't be actual, official stages. They will be used by DB makers to include in 2010 DBs for PCM09 - and for that, they're fine.
#15 | sciby on 14. November 2009 18:50
I know, but ordinary cyanide takes the stages they can get. Only to next year it will be different, because the 09 stages can't be used
#16 | CrueTrue on 14. November 2009 19:20
Not quite true.

Just hypothetically, let's say that PCM09 stages are compatible with PCM10 - if a Cyanide stage makers makes a stage / race for PCM09 and is asked to make the same stage for PCM10, yes, it will be re-used - why would he re-make it, just because it was made for PCM09?

What I'm saying is that if a NON-Cyanide stage maker makes a stage for PCM09 and the stage needs to be made for PCM10, Cyanide won't just download it and include it with the game. No, it will be remade by the official stage makers, thus ensuring a high quality.
#17 | sciby on 14. November 2009 19:29
It is possible but my experience told me that it isn't. If you look at the stages that are released in the PCM 09 /or 08 or 07) you can see that they are often not in high quality (even they are often 3 years old). Either the cya stagemakers are not (all) such good or my hypothese is true.
#18 | Johan92 on 14. November 2009 19:47
What CrueTrue says, is that the stages in the official game are made by official stage makers for Cyanide. Doesn't mather if they're 3 years old.
#19 | sciby on 14. November 2009 19:51
This is more a shame, because they are often very bad
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