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GP Wallonie Discussion
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 26-12-2022 22:06
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Preview
The GP Wallonie is a fairly young race, this being its 4th edition. Stepping down from PTHC to HC category, it will have its fourth different winner as well, since none of the former champions are here this year. It’s still a very illustrious field, though, as we will see.
First, a quick look at the route. It’s not the most striking profile, but the finale is quite interesting with its three consecutive climbs in quick succession. First, it’s the Côte de Lustin, 2.7 kilometers with an average slope of 5.7% and a max of 11.6%. Then, the Tienne aux Pierres, 2.9km at 5.4% and up to 10.2%, and finally the riders go up to the Citadelle de Namur, 1.9km at an average of 5.8%, but the steepest parts go over 20%!
| MO | HI | ST | RS | SP | AC |  Kinoshita | 72 | 83 | 80 | 77 | 68 | 77 |  McCarthy | 67 | 82 | 80 | 75 | 65 | 74 |  Areruya | 79 | 81 | 76 | 78 | 68 | 76 |  Beltran | 79 | 81 | 73 | 72 | 66 | 76 |  Borges | 70 | 80 | 75 | 73 | 71 | 81 |  Benoot | 75 | 80 | 75 | 74 | 69 | 71 |  Eiking | 69 | 80 | 78 | 74 | 68 | 76 |  Boswell | 71 | 80 | 77 | 73 | 65 | 76 |  Van Garderen | 70 | 80 | 75 | 72 | 68 | 76 |  Prevar | 71 | 80 | 77 | 70 | 67 | 73 |  Paulinho | 75 | 80 | 70 | 72 | 68 | 75 |  Waeytens | 71 | 80 | 72 | 70 | 66 | 73 |
Kinoshita takes his usual place at the top of the list, and he’s come close before, finishing second in the inaugural race three years ago. But he has, again as usual, a deep field of challengers. The first tier probably consists of McCarthy, Areruya, Beltran and, because of his strong acceleration, Borges. But the other guys here will also be looking at the podium and think, why not them?
| MO | HI | ST | RS | SP | AC |  Chernetskiy | 71 | 79 | 80 | 69 | 63 | 71 |  De Plus | 76 | 79 | 74 | 73 | 61 | 72 |  Chaves | 76 | 79 | 74 | 73 | 60 | 72 |  Moscon | 73 | 79 | 76 | 77 | 59 | 73 |  Gesbert | 74 | 78 | 80 | 78 | 68 | 73 |  Gebrezgabihier | 70 | 79 | 74 | 74 | 67 | 69 | | Van Niekerk | 75 | 78 | 72 | 75 | 63 | 74 |  Errazkin | 74 | 78 | 76 | 75 | 63 | 73 |  Azman | 76 | 77 | 69 | 72 | 65 | 75 | | Felline | 66 | 77 | 75 | 73 | 74 | 78 |  Paez | 72 | 77 | 74 | 70 | 73 | 76 |  Meurisse | 74 | 77 | 74 | 74 | 71 | 78 |  Stuyven | 63 | 77 | 75 | 67 | 66 | 74 |  Lietaer | 67 | 76 | 74 | 71 | 66 | 71 |
Fighting for the podium might be a stretch for the riders in this tier, but it’s not out of the question. We have some specialists here, with guys like De Plus and Chaves hoping that their superior climbing skills pay off, while Moscon and Gesbert bet on their energy stats. We also have some quick finishers in Felline, Paez and Meurisse.
Domestiques and Punchy Sprinters | MO | HI | ST | RS | SP | AC | | Gaudu | 71 | 78 | 78 | 75 | 68 | 70 | | Eriksson | 67 | 78 | 78 | 74 | 65 | 76 | | Storer | 75 | 78 | 72 | 73 | 64 | 74 | | Slagter | 77 | 78 | 70 | 72 | 60 | 70 | | Hirschi | 75 | 77 | 77 | 77 | 66 | 73 | | Budyak | 74 | 78 | 72 | 67 | 57 | 68 | | Calmejane | 71 | 77 | 73 | 76 | 72 | 76 | | Oliveira | 67 | 76 | 77 | 72 | 75 | 78 | | Kump | 64 | 75 | 73 | 70 | 79 | 77 | | Kreder | 64 | 75 | 75 | 71 | 77 | 78 | | Duchesne | 67 | 77 | 73 | 72 | 69 | 79 | | Stannard | 72 | 77 | 73 | 75 | 68 | 76 | | Mas | 78 | 77 | 74 | 74 | 60 | 77 |
Speaking of quick finishers: The true punchy sprinters can be found in this third tier. For the likes of Oliveira, Kump and Kreder, it all comes down to whether they’ll be able to hang with the stronger climbers all the way to the top of the Citadelle de Namur. Other riders in this group definitely have a shot at a good result for themselves, Gaudu in particular stands out for having finished 9th here against strong competition last year. But they may also be held back by domestique duties for their team leaders.
 Spoiler [table]McCarthy Jay Amaysim Cervélo
Storer Michael Amaysim Cervélo
Lane Patrick Amaysim Cervélo
Bayly Cameron Amaysim Cervélo
Harper Chris Amaysim Cervélo
Gillett Rhys Amaysim Cervélo
Christensen Ryan Amaysim Cervélo
Culey Marcus Amaysim Cervélo
Gesbert Elie Assa Abloy
Freuler Jan-Andre Assa Abloy
Mosca Jacopo Assa Abloy
Van der Haar Lars Assa Abloy
Kvist Linus Assa Abloy
Magnussen Davur Assa Abloy
Bergstrom Frisk Hannes Assa Abloy
Bergstrom Frisk Erik Assa Abloy
Paulinho Pedro Miguel Binance
Oliveira Rui Binance
Lienhard Fabian Binance
Goncalves Gaspar Binance
Thill Tom Binance
Ikibe Sota Binance
Palyi Csaba Binance
Noppe Christophe Binance
Beltran Eduard Alexander Cedevita
Gaudu David Cedevita
Eriksson Lucas Cedevita
McCormick Hayden Cedevita
Ardila Andres Camilo Cedevita
Buitrago Santiago Cedevita
Penko Izidor Cedevita
Wright Fred Cedevita
Chernetskiy Sergey Crabbe-CC Chevigny
Tsatevich Alexey Crabbe-CC Chevigny
Bardet Romain Crabbe-CC Chevigny
Kung Stefan Crabbe-CC Chevigny
Blouwe Louis Crabbe-CC Chevigny
Drizners Jarrad Crabbe-CC Chevigny
Donovan Mark Crabbe-CC Chevigny
Van Tricht Stan Crabbe-CC Chevigny
Eiking Odd Christian Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
Skjerping Kristoffer Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
Ziesler Johan Fredrik Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
Lavery Philip Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
Martin Guillaume Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
Arensman Thymen Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
Ulysbayev Dinmukhammed Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
Knotten Iver Johan Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team
Meurisse Xandro HelloFresh - Lampre
Hermans Quinten HelloFresh - Lampre
De Vos Adam HelloFresh - Lampre
Gaspar Joao HelloFresh - Lampre
Elissonde Kenny HelloFresh - Lampre
Battistella Samuele HelloFresh - Lampre
Quinn Sean HelloFresh - Lampre
Milan Jonathan HelloFresh - Lampre
Borges Bruno Indosat Ooredoo
Silva Rafael Indosat Ooredoo
Rohendi Teten Indosat Ooredoo
Setiawa Andreas Odie Purnama Indosat Ooredoo
Kolar Michael Indosat Ooredoo
Arifin Muhammad Imam Indosat Ooredoo
Gesink Robert Indosat Ooredoo
Novak Jakub Indosat Ooredoo
Moscon Gianni Jura GIANTS
Schmid Mauro Jura GIANTS
Karatsivis Panagiotis Jura GIANTS
Matsangos Alexandros Jura GIANTS
Cohen Noam Jura GIANTS
Janssen Christoph Jura GIANTS
De Plus Laurens Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
Verhelst Louis Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
Van Gils Maxim Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
Covi Alessandro Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
Potocki Viktor Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
Verwilst Aaron Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
Gamper Patrick Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
Siddikov Dilmurdjon Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
Boswell Ian McCormick Pro Cycling
Rodriguez Galindo Michael McCormick Pro Cycling
Mohammad Fikri Azka McCormick Pro Cycling
Rhim Brendan McCormick Pro Cycling
Hecht Gage McCormick Pro Cycling
Granigan Noah McCormick Pro Cycling
Stuyven Jasper Minions - Subwoolfer
Tikhonin Evgenii Minions - Subwoolfer
Lemus Davila Luis Enrique Minions - Subwoolfer
Quintana Dayer Minions - Subwoolfer
Novikov Savva Minions - Subwoolfer
Merchan Didier Minions - Subwoolfer
Benoot Tiesj Philips - Force India
Raileanu Cristian Philips - Force India
Velasco Simone Philips - Force India
Leemreize Gijs Philips - Force India
Kuroeda Shiki Philips - Force India
Van Dijke Mick Philips - Force India
Henttala Joonas Philips - Force India
Galvan Ramirez Oscar Samuel Philips - Force India
Gebrezgabihier Amanuel Project: Africa
Van Niekerk Aidan Project: Africa
Seibeb Costa Project: Africa
Ssabagwanya Samuel Project: Africa
Van Heerden Eddie Project: Africa
Main Kent Project: Africa
Broxham Ricardo Project: Africa
Nzafashwanayo Jean Claude Project: Africa
Errazkin Xuban Red Bull Zalgiris
Grossschartner Felix Red Bull Zalgiris
Evenepoel Remco Red Bull Zalgiris
Affonso Murilo Red Bull Zalgiris
Lasinis Venantas Red Bull Zalgiris
Januskevicius Mantas Red Bull Zalgiris
Tediashvili Giorgi Red Bull Zalgiris
Van Garderen Tejay Sauber Petronas Racing
Slagter Tom Jelte Sauber Petronas Racing
Hirschi Marc Sauber Petronas Racing
Pellaud Simon Sauber Petronas Racing
Bellis Jonathan Sauber Petronas Racing
Frankiny Kilian Sauber Petronas Racing
Forcellini Luca Sauber Petronas Racing
Antonelli Michael Sauber Petronas Racing
Lietaer Eliot Staffbase - BHP
Wohrer David Staffbase - BHP
Plapp Luke Staffbase - BHP
Koch Jonas Staffbase - BHP
Sunderland Dylan Staffbase - BHP
Engelhardt Felix Staffbase - BHP
Berwick Sebastian Staffbase - BHP
Plowright Jensen Staffbase - BHP
Felline Fabio Strava
Azman Muhamad Zawawi Strava
Poljanski Pawel Strava
Kreder Wesley Strava
Sbaragli Kristian Strava
Debusschere Jens Strava
Prevar Oleksandr Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska
Budyak Anatoliy Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska
Bratashcuk Andrii Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska
Tanovitchii Nicolae Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska
Gladysh Roman Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska
Redecker Heiko Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska
Christapopoulos Pangiotis Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska
Zumer Matic Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska
Waeytens Zico Trans Looney Tunes
Calmejane Lilian Trans Looney Tunes
Senyenov Roman Trans Looney Tunes
Pibernik Luka Trans Looney Tunes
Jang Gyung Gu Trans Looney Tunes
Cuming Michael Trans Looney Tunes
Dyball Benjamin Trans looney Tunes
Iino Tomoyuki Trans Looney Tunes
Chaves Johan Esteban Volcanica - Fox
Mudarra Pablo Volcanica - Fox
Kump Marko Volcanica - Fox
Trillini Walter Volcanica - Fox
Herrera Erick Volcanica - Fox
Montenegro Santiago Volcanica - Fox
Rivera Kevin Volcanica - Fox
Jimenez Retana John Volcanica - Fox
Kinoshita Tomohiro Voyagin - Bird
Duchesne Antoine Voyagin - Bird
Lyu Xianjing Voyagin - Bird
Shirota Yamato Voyagin - Bird
Yamamoto Masaki Voyagin - Bird
Chen Mingrun Voyagin - Bird
Matsuda Shoi Voyagin - Bird
Oka Atsushi Voyagin - Bird
Areruya Joseph Xero Racing
Stannard Robert Xero Racing
Nikiema Bachirou Xero Racing
Kipkemboi Salim Xero Racing
Van Zyl Johann Xero Racing
Van Wilder Ilan Xero Racing
Van Niekerk Morne Xero Racing
Vermeersch Florian Xero Racing
Paez Andres Zara - Irizar
Mas Enric Zara - Irizar
Vichot Arthur Zara - Irizar
Finkler Leonardo Henrique Zara - Irizar
De La Cruz Chapulin Luis Fernando Zara - Irizar
Miquel Pau Zara - Irizar
Hesters Jules Zara - Irizar
Vandevelde Yentl Zara - Irizar
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 26-12-2022 22:14
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I fear this could be our first really bad race since promoting, which in itself is wild and just puts into perspective how fortunate we've gotten this year with some riders overperforming etc.. Meurisse to do his thing yet again, would love a repeat of Badaling but if we have two riders top 25 that would probably be considered a good race for us since the startlist is really strong.
This might be the strongest startlist in a non PT hills race ever. Seems like every single team's best piuncheur is here and then you have riders like Enric Mas casually chilling as well. Would love to see Beltran find his legs again here but i fear that might not be the case and that we get a sprint between Kino and McCcarthy.
Thanks for the preview!
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 26-12-2022 22:34
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There's a bet for this race!
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 26-12-2022 22:50
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Any points will be a surprise
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 26-12-2022 23:24
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Can't say there's much hope left for De Plus at this point. Thanks for the preview and the bet!
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 26-12-2022 23:37
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Boswell's second HC adventure, first one ended poorly either from a bad day or weak team or both. Just hoping for a more interesting performance this time. A top 10 would be nice, which should be doable with some decent daily form.
Thanks for the preview
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-12-2022 02:25
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This would be a race to be at if you loaded up on hills leaders for PCT, but of course, that wasn't the plan when we made our band selections. Hopefully this helps us avoid some competition elsewhere.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 27-12-2022 04:07
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Borges has got to get a result here for us to be able to keep treading water. His positioning cost him in China, so hopefully he can be more attentive here and ride the coattails until the finale and then zip past the field.
Thanks for the preview Cunego!
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| Laurens147 |
Posted on 27-12-2022 06:03
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Hopefully Chernetskiy can grab some points here, in one of our home races.
Thanks Cunego for the preview!
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 27-12-2022 06:44
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Would love a classic win from Areruya this season, why not here? Guess like Strade it will come down to freshness and position, and with his aggressiveness I guess he will have the latter but not the former once again 
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| redordead |
Posted on 27-12-2022 08:12
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Surprise me.
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 27-12-2022 11:05
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Thanks for the nice preview!
McCarthy used to deliver so far and this profile should suit him. There's no reason to not deliver, I guess  obviously can't expect a back-to-back win, but the podium simply must be the goal here.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 27-12-2022 12:14
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Quick chance for Benoot to make up for a disappointing Badaling. We hope he can forget about the last race and continue his form from before that.
Thanks for the preview cunego 
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 27-12-2022 20:06
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Given Moscon's season so far, even a single point would almost be a surprise... Top 15 looks doable on paper and would be satisfying, but I'm afraid he gets some special PCM mistreatment again.
Thanks for the preview anyway - and for the report in advance as well, as I guess I won't be in a mood to write nice things once it'll be posted
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 27-12-2022 21:42
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All of my concerns have been put to shame MEURISSE LETS GO. I do however hand my condolences to the managers here who had expected a way more selective race, certain riders here that you probably would have expected to perform better overall, the duo of Beltran and Gaudu not even cracking top 15 due to the hectic finish must be very tough for ROD.
If these performances keep going there's a chance we miraculously find a way into a promotion spot I think our PpRD right now is around 26 which is incredible, but I do expect that we will start falling down the table very soon.
Congrats to Sauber on the win and thanks for the report!
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 27-12-2022 22:35
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So it gets even worse, even Moscon is beating De Plus now 
Thanks for the report.
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 27-12-2022 22:46
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cunego59 wrote:
Moscon next, could have certainly been better, but it could have arguably been worse (and has been for Jura GIANTS in the past).
It's actually his worst classic result this year - to be fair, it was his first non-C2 classic, though... At least he improved by 104 spots compared to last year, where a certain Cyrille Thièry finished 16th for us - in PTHC... Looks like I should've kept that guy, he seems to be better than Moscon. Moscon is bad when the profile is easy (Gisborne, San José, Wallonie). Moscon is bad when the profile is hard (Hong Kong, Pais Vasco, Pologne). So, the result is clear: Moscon is bad.
Commiserations to redordead again, though, Beltran is just a joke this year. Same stats, same game version, same profiles as last year - and he's just so much worse. There must be some logic somewhere, I just don't see it ^^
Thanks for the report, though, and congrats once again to Sauber - TvG just rocks the HC hills this year! (which I definitely don't find reasonable, either, but at least it's a Swiss team benefitting from it ^^)
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 27-12-2022 23:48
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Missed the podium, surely not ideal. But 4th is still a solid result, I guess. Especially in a kinda messy bunch sprint finish, where things easily can go wrong. Congratulations to those on the podium!
And thanks for the report, of course.
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 28-12-2022 01:01
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Boswell very inactive and poorly positioned, not quite good enough finisher to get priority I guess.
McCormick always happy to see an American win though.
Certainly others had much worse performances and Boswell was first among CT riders. But in that field a top 10 was definitely there for the taking.
Thanks for the report and congrats to Sauber.
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 28-12-2022 03:05
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Areruya didn't have it today, guess I should be grateful I have a rider who comes 5th when he's off his game Congrats sammy, your team continues to maximise itself in a lot of ways, great run you seem to be on. Tejay especially performing above expectations, at least mine!
And thanks to cunego for the report of course, great as always
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