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Bikex |
Posted on 07-12-2021 12:29
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New database: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...mp;sd=true (NCs not updated yet)
Retired Riders:
Spoiler 54 | Stamsnijder | Tom | NED | 57 | Santaromita | Ivan | ITA | 64 | Martin | Tony | GER | 69 | Velits | Peter | SVK | 72 | Offredo | Yohan | FRA | 90 | Martin | Daniel | IRL | 111 | Hollenstein | Reto | SWI | 118 | Stroetinga | Wim | NED | 143 | Cornu | Dominique | BEL | 144 | Chuzhda | Oleg | UKR | 185 | Rodríguez | Jackson | VEN | 192 | Villa | Romain | FRA | 195 | Failli | Francesco | ITA | 211 | Neyens | Maarten | BEL | 242 | Montaguti | Matteo | ITA | 251 | Roels | Dominik | GER | 268 | Fernández | Delio | ESP | 349 | Maté | Luis Ángel | ESP | 355 | Lafuente | Andoni | ESP | 360 | Vandenbergh | Stijn | BEL | 378 | Eskov | Nikita | RUS | 380 | Dehaes | Kenny | BEL | 408 | Chiarini | Riccardo | ITA | 416 | Selvaggi | Mirko | ITA | 427 | Siutsou | Kanstantsin | BLR | 435 | Sabatini | Fabio | ITA | 499 | Dyachenko | Alexsandr | KAZ | 519 | García | Egoitz | ESP | 529 | Fantini | Alessandro | ITA | 547 | Mortensen | Martin | DEN | 572 | Klemme | Dominic | GER | 604 | Voss | Paul | GER | 613 | Velits | Martin | SVK | 630 | Lowe | Trent | AUS | 678 | Bono | Matteo | ITA | 686 | Brajkovič | Janez | SLO | 753 | Marczynski | Tomasz | POL | 784 | Marcato | Marco | ITA | 853 | Sulzberger | Wesley | AUS | 859 | Reig | Rubén | ESP | 863 | Bonnafond | Guillaume | FRA | 866 | Schöffmann | Martin | AUT | 906 | Malacarne | Gaël | FRA | 960 | Gaia | Michele | ITA | 983 | Cataldo | Dario | ITA | 986 | Devenyns | Dries | BEL | 987 | Grabovskyy | Dmytro | UKR | 1012 | Terpstra | Niki | NED | 1023 | Renev | Sergey | KAZ | 1033 | Caruso | Damiano | ITA | 1062 | Lhotellerie | Clément | FRA | 1072 | Tomei | Francesco | ITA | 1086 | Vorganov | Eduard | RUS | 1165 | Tolleson | Taylor | USA | 1184 | Samoilau | Branislau | BLR | 1199 | Bole | Grega | SLO | 1215 | Kurth | Michael | GER | 1379 | Herrada | José | ESP | 1469 | Cazaux | Pierre | FRA | 1476 | Vachon | Florian | FRA | 1835 | Gérard | Arnaud | FRA | 1848 | Reynès | Vicente | ESP | 1879 | Van den Broeck | Jurgen | BEL | 1887 | Navarro | Daniel | ESP | 1910 | Sesma | Daniel | ESP | 1932 | Porte | Richie | AUS | 1937 | Van Winden | Dennis | NED | 1996 | Urain | Beñat | ESP | 2001 | Francisco | David | ESP | 2021 | Wilmann | Frederik | NOR | 2028 | Chtioui | Rafaâ | TUN | 2029 | Ciavatta | Paolo | ITA | 2062 | Margutti | Damiano | ITA | 2070 | Van Vooren | Steven | BEL | 2078 | Dias | Robson | BRA | 2094 | Debusschere | Maxim | BEL | 2097 | Minne | Stijn | BEL | 2110 | Degand | Thomas | BEL | 2112 | Polazzi | Fabio | BEL | 2161 | Dorozala | Aleksander | POL | 2178 | Vishnevskiy | Roman | UKR | 2190 | Pichon | Laurent | FRA | 2199 | Schmitt | Morgan | USA | 2212 | Kreutzfeldt | Daniel | DEN | 2236 | Czajkowski | Konrad | POL | 2270 | Colo | Alessandro | ITA | 2285 | Graf | Andreas | AUT | 2303 | Khatuntsev | Alexander | RUS | 2311 | Lauener | Alain | SWI | 2315 | Lyalko | Alexey | KAZ | 2404 | Norton | Bradley | AUS | 2421 | Verschueren | Bart | BEL | 2467 | Springer | Christoph | GER | 2471 | Van Heerden | Christoff | SAR | 2501 | Han | David | FRA | 2509 | Kreder | Dennis | NED | 2542 | Stark | Dominique | SWI | 2556 | Vaz | David | POR | 2564 | Cammaerts | Edwig | BEL | 2577 | Korts-Laur | Ervin | EST | 2592 | Rizza | Emanuele | ITA | 2610 | Barle | Florent | FRA | 2618 | Duarte | Fabio | COL | 2620 | Frohn | Florian | GER | 2624 | Grassmann | Franz | AUT | 2640 | Piscopiello | Fabio | ITA | 2669 | Gall | Georg | GER | 2698 | Russell | Gill | AUS | 2713 | Angelov | Hristomir | BUL | 2766 | Sarabia | Ignacio | MEX | 2767 | Syrtsev | Ilya | RUS | 2777 | Antomarchi | Julien | FRA | 2780 | Bartlett | Josh | USA | 2795 | Chugg | Joshua | AUS | 2796 | Clauwaert | Joeri | BEL | 2811 | Fiedler | Jacob | GER | 2846 | Nesveda | Jiri | CZE | 2882 | Suaza | Jaime | COL | 2887 | Tolles | Joachim | GER | 2896 | Venter | Jacobus | SAR | 2954 | Damiani | Luca | ITA | 2957 | Denonfoux | Laurent | FRA | 2981 | Pria | Lars | ROM | 2992 | Winter | Lukas | AUT | 2995 | Richeze | Mauro Abel | ARG | 3010 | Brus | Marco | NED | 3013 | Caddeo | Manuele | ITA | 3015 | Chedhomme | Morgan | FRA | 3020 | Damiens | Mickaël | FRA | 3027 | Fischer | Marcel | GER | 3042 | Green | Matt | GBR | 3064 | Kaiser | Michael | DEN | 3070 | Komar | Mateusz | POL | 3074 | Kukta | Marius | LTU | 3084 | Matsumura | Mitsuhiro | JPN | 3097 | O'Brien | Mark | AUS | 3103 | Perry | Marc | GBR | 3126 | Stoop | Michael | USA | 3150 | Albert | Niels | BEL | 3168 | Lasis | Normunds | LAT | 3175 | Rossi | Nazareno | SWI | 3177 | Schnyder | Nicolas | SWI | 3190 | Pardini | Olivier | BEL | 3205 | Cieslik | Pawel | POL | 3229 | Lechner | Petr | CZE | 3254 | Wachnik | Paweł | POL | 3257 | Zielinski | Piotr | POL | 3269 | Chabane | Redhouane | ALG | 3273 | Damm | Rasmus | DEN | 3329 | Vinhas | Rui | POR | 3339 | Park | Sung Baek | KOR | 3354 | Collet | Stéphen | BEL | 3364 | Georges | Sylvain | FRA | 3404 | Pöll | Stefan | AUT | 3424 | Wielandt | Sven | BEL | 3427 | Albiez | Timo | GER | 3437 | Dekker | Thomas | NED | 3460 | Murray | Thomas | GBR | 3461 | Nankervis | Tommy | AUS | 3463 | Okrouhlicky | Tomas | CZE | 3464 | Olejnik | Tomasz | POL | 3511 | Vitasovic | Vedran | CRO | 3518 | Halejak | Wojcieck | POL | 3533 | Wolfenbarger | Wade | USA | 3551 | Suzuki | Yuzuru | JPN | 3553 | Krizek | Zdenek | CZE | 3560 | Van Poppel | Boy | NED | 3561 | Vermeltfoort | Coen | NED | 3576 | Pakthusov | Anatoliy | UKR | 3589 | Agarkov | Yuriy | UKR | 3590 | Dementyev | Yegor | UKR | 3604 | Starobudtsev | Stanislav | RUS | 3625 | Pfingsten | Christoph | GER | 3641 | Delrot | Bastien | FRA | 3643 | Claeys | Dimitri | BEL | 3670 | Baltazar | Carlos | POR | 3671 | Fonte | Cesar | POR | 3700 | De Jonge | Maarten | NED | 3709 | Morrás | Alberto | ESP | 3719 | Sancho | Bruno | POR | 3724 | Pimenta | José | POR | 3726 | Barbosa | Márcio | POR | 3728 | Calvo | Rubén | ESP | 3732 | Larsen | Kaspar | DEN | 3763 | Martinez | Alexi | USA | 3779 | Cziraki | Istvan | HUN | 3785 | Baldo | Nicolas | FRA | 3790 | Hacecky | Vojtech | CZE | 3831 | Latham | Peter | NZL | 3843 | Lill | Darren | SAR | 3869 | Reijnen | Kiel | USA | 3876 | Verraes | Benjamin | BEL | 3891 | Vandousselaere | Sven | BEL | 3914 | Anthony | Jesse | USA | 3937 | Passeron | Aurélien | FRA | 3947 | D'Andrea | Nicola | ITA | 3954 | Bibby | Ian | GBR | 3959 | Williams | Peter | GBR | 3975 | Vives | Charly | CAN | 3985 | Roth | Ryan | CAN | 3988 | Appleby | Dale | GBR | 3991 | Stewart | James | GBR | 3997 | Wetterhall | Alexander | SWD | 4000 | Rudenstam | Filip | SWD | 4006 | Horton | Tobyn | GBR | 4011 | Calabria | Fabio | AUS | 4018 | Stewart | Scott | USA | 4030 | Heymans | Cyrille | LUX | 4032 | Patron | Christian | BEL | 4077 | Ligthart | Pim | NED | 4095 | Randazzo | Gianluca | ITA | 4100 | Maggiore | Gianluca | ITA | 4101 | Rocchetti | Federico | ITA | 4117 | Bonnet | Nicolas | FRA | 4131 | Heytens | Kess | BEL | 4181 | Munro | Casey | AUS | 4192 | Saggiorato | Mirco | SWI | 4254 | Flaksis | Toms | LAT | 4268 | Rodger | Shem | NZL | 4360 | Wong | Steven | HKG | 4361 | Liu | Biao | CHN | 4363 | Jiang | Kun | CHN | 4372 | Aguilar | Jose | ESP | 4381 | Kurek | Adrian | POL | 4391 | Serebryakov | Alexander | RUS | 4438 | Van Hoovels | Kevin | BEL | 4444 | Périchon | Pierre-Luc | FRA | 4468 | Bihel | César | FRA | 4493 | Bertholet | Quentin | BEL | 4502 | Tesler | Artem | UKR | 4537 | Larpe | Mickael | FRA | 4570 | Averin | Maksym | UKR | 4605 | Lemieux | Pat | USA | 4606 | Stemper | James | USA | 4617 | Von Hoff | Steele | AUS | 4622 | King | Nathan | USA | 4630 | Keogh | Quinn | USA | 4644 | Hawkins | Peter | IRL | 4656 | Norris | Lachlan | AUS | 4691 | Arango | Juan Esteban | COL | 4695 | Valencia | Juan Pablo | COL | 4715 | Lozano | David | ESP | 4786 | Butto | Federico | ITA | 4800 | Chiocca | Mathieu | FRA | 4867 | Snook | Chris | GBR | 4870 | Zamparella | Marco | ITA | 4904 | Hepworth | Richard | GBR | 4914 | Zawacki | Benjamin | USA | 4918 | Castiblanco | Jorge | COL | 4919 | Castro | Jose Nicolas | COL | 4921 | Oyola | Robigzon | COL | 4932 | Fernandes | Luis Filipe | POR | 5060 | Becerra | Eduin | VEN | 5149 | Brun | Frédéric | FRA | 5200 | Torres | Rodolfo | COL | 5272 | Shaw | Damien | IRL | 5289 | Ahmad Lutfi | Mohd | MAS | 5428 | Becker | Phillip | GER | 5438 | Fonte | Gianfelice | HUN | 7021 | Jumabekov | Nazar | KAZ | 7058 | Costa | Carlos | BRA | 7086 | Mashima | Reo | JPN | 7090 | Kauffmann | Jacob | AUS | 7102 | Giacoppo | Anthony | AUS | 7107 | Shaw | Patrick | AUS | 7118 | Asadov | Elchin | AZE | 7121 | Ismayilov | Agshin | AZE | 7151 | Fujiki | Yusuke | JPN | 7158 | Yonemura | Kuranosuke | JPN | 7295 | Cardoen | Henry | BEL | 7332 | Sagát | Artúr | HUN | 7346 | Hernandez | Gustavo | ARG | 7445 | Khripta | Andriy | UKR | 7446 | Kononenko | Mykhaylo | UKR | 7450 | Vasylyuk | Andriy | UKR | 7459 | Anuawar | Ahmad | MAS | 7466 | Loh | Sea | MAS | 7471 | Dowling | Mark | IRL | 7491 | Chang | Wei | TPE | 7500 | Wu | Ping | TPE | 7545 | Kal | Mirac | TUR | 7559 | Jones | Caleb | AUS | 7570 | Götz | Markus | AUT | 7614 | Sibila | Pedro | CUB | 7616 | Athanasiades | Marios | CYP | 7620 | Navarrete | Segundo | ECU | 7705 | Ciocan | Alexandru | ROM |
I made a small mistake when removing the riders, so Tony Martin, Jurgen Van Den Broeck and Jacobus Venter were retired despite not having announced to do and still being on a team. I hope the respective managers don't mind. If you do, message me!
Edited by Bikex on 01-08-2023 22:19
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Bikex |
Posted on 07-12-2021 12:33
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Renewals - Only for established teams
Download: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...mp;sd=true
This is how the renewals work: A rider demands a certain wage of you. You can then decide whether you want to accept that wage and re-sign him for the next season, don't prolong his contract or wait. You have three chances to make an offer before the negotiations end.
How does the file work:
1 Put in C3 your team ID. If you forgot it, check it in table "teams".
2 In column H the riders current wage is listed in row I the minimum wage that has to be paid. In column K you see the demand of the rider. In the cell on the left of that you usually see a 0. Only exception being an "IN" if you signed the rider during Scouting.
3 In N you make your first offers. If you agree to the wage the rider wants just write it there. If you want to make an offer with a lower wage than put in there how much you offer instead. If you want the rider to leave the team put a 0. If you want to wait with negotiations to a later round put a "W" in there.
4 In row 2 you see how much budget you'd have left with your offers.
5 If you made your offers go to "PM" copy for round 1 cells B-C and send them to me in a table. In round 2 you will send me F-G and in round 3 J-K.
6 After sending me a pm you will get an answer from me asap with the riders reactions. Go to "Renewals" sort the riders after their ID and put the list you get into row R for round 1, for round 2 that'd be row S and for round 3 row T. If a rider is out the list will tell you "OUT", if the rider agrees to your offer it will say "IN". If you didn't reach the min wage he'd accept you will either get 1,2 or 3 +. If it's only one the lowest wage he'd accept is within 50. If there are 2 then it is between 50 and 100 and with three + it is more than 100 away.
7 If you get +s back then you can continue negotiations in column O (round 2) and column P (round 3). If you get back an "IN" or "OUT" then you can't continue negotiations as you already came to an agreement with the rider.
8 If you didn't come to an agreement with the rider after 3 rounds then he'll leave the team.
9 You are not allowed to be over your budget after Renewals. It also counts as being over budget if you can't sign enough riders with the lowest possible min wage of 100 anymore. The numbers in the renewals file take that into account.
Mediator
Some Teams have put some money in last season's research into mediator. In the spoiler below you can see how much. With each mediator unit you can lower the minimum a rider would accept by 5-15 (One unit costed 10). Just tell me when sending in the first renewals round on which rider(s) you want to spend your mediator.
Spoiler Team | Units | Strava - Avanti | 5 | Liberty Seguros | 1 | Guinness Cycling p/b BlackBerry | 2 | Team BP | 1 | Grupo Argos - Quala | 10 | Education First x Palace - Nippo | 8 | Sevilla Cycling Team | 20 | Credit Suisse | 6 | Tierra del Fuego | 2 | VIP Mobile | 10 | Santos - Euskadi | 26 | Italo | 5 | Deutsche Bahn | 2 |
I hope everyone understands how it works.
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cio93 |
Posted on 07-12-2021 15:12
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Progress! \o/
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cio93 |
Posted on 07-12-2021 15:40
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I had to request access to these files?
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ivaneurope |
Posted on 07-12-2021 16:23
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Same here
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Bikex |
Posted on 07-12-2021 17:49
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Sorry about that files are now accessible! |
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Posted on 03-12-2024 17:25
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Ripley |
Posted on 07-12-2021 19:57
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It's working now! Wow, look at our budget soar, goal more than fulfilled.
Btw, is there some new mechanic for U23 riders? Why on earth are Richards and Rodriguez demanding a raise, together they collected just 13 prestige points. While Fritsch wants less than Richards - AVG 73.8 vs 69.3, prestige points 185 vs 5.
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Fabianski |
Posted on 07-12-2021 21:57
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Thanks for these news! Happy to see we got a slightly higher budget than last year despite performing below expectations in several target races.
Just to make sure: can riders be offended by an offer and quit the team without us having a chance for a 2nd offer (like in MG)? Or do we always have the 3 rounds to find an agreement?
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jandal7 |
Posted on 07-12-2021 22:33
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Wow past jandal is a smart cookie buying those 26 mediator units
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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Shonak |
Posted on 08-12-2021 10:30
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Great to see this continue, wonder how Liberty can manage with three heavy hitters and if we can stay within the budget. Transfer season gonna be fire.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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DarkWolf |
Posted on 08-12-2021 10:34
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Awesome to see this coming up! I'm really excited about this transfer period, especially so since for my first season I missed the previous one. |
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Bikex |
Posted on 08-12-2021 10:55
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Fabianski wrote:
Thanks for these news! Happy to see we got a slightly higher budget than last year despite performing below expectations in several target races.
Just to make sure: can riders be offended by an offer and quit the team without us having a chance for a 2nd offer (like in MG)? Or do we always have the 3 rounds to find an agreement?
You always have 3 rounds. Riders won't be offended! |
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df_Trek |
Posted on 08-12-2021 11:09
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can't believe Monfort will still riding in 2022!!
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Bikex |
Posted on 08-12-2021 15:19
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Ripley wrote:
It's working now! Wow, look at our budget soar, goal more than fulfilled.
Btw, is there some new mechanic for U23 riders? Why on earth are Richards and Rodriguez demanding a raise, together they collected just 13 prestige points. While Fritsch wants less than Richards - AVG 73.8 vs 69.3, prestige points 185 vs 5.
Sorry missed the question. Generally the potential has an influence on the asked wage, especially for younger riders. On the open market a potential 7 rider would usually get more than his min wage, that's why they tend to ask for more than that in renewals as well |
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Shonak |
Posted on 08-12-2021 17:35
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Taking a first look at the new DB, what kind of ungodly creature has Kwiatek become, MT80, HL80, ACC79 and TT77
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Ripley |
Posted on 08-12-2021 18:02
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Thanks, Bikex, I guess that makes sense. Richards will stay no matter how greedy he is.
There might be a RD miscalculation somewhere. Bardet has 48 RD, that seems too much, more than some other riders. Also, sprinters don't seem have more RDs than stage racers anymore - was that intentional?
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Bikex |
Posted on 08-12-2021 19:33
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Yeah there seems to be a mistake with the racedays. One thing is that the fitness trainers from last season were still applied. But also something else seems to have gone wrong. For now just ignore it please, I'll update when I figure out what happened. |
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Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 08-12-2021 23:24
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still telling me I have to request access. which I did but not sure if that was intended.
Any chance you will publish how the goals scoring looked like you did last year? I had a specific strategy around that and am interested in how it worked.
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Bikex |
Posted on 09-12-2021 10:45
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Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
still telling me I have to request access. which I did but not sure if that was intended.
Any chance you will publish how the goals scoring looked like you did last year? I had a specific strategy around that and am interested in how it worked.
Strange for others it worked.
I uploaded the files to mediafire as well now, for those having trouble:
Renewals: https://www.mediafire.com/file/a1pdfi....xlsx/file
DB: https://www.mediafire.com/file/fec0o8....xlsx/file
About the focus races:
Just realized I need to check something
Edit: Okay so I'll later post an update with some slightly adjusted budgets! Sorry sometimes I'm stupid. Of course I'll make sure no-one will have any disadvantage because of that.
Thanks @Ulrich for making me aware of that
Edited by Bikex on 09-12-2021 11:03
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Bikex |
Posted on 09-12-2021 14:36
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Budgets now correct in renewals file. Please redownload the renewals file!
Sorry about that! The changes are mostly not big |
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