CT Preview/Predictions by Atlantius (Finished)
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Posted on 12-08-2018 22:36
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CT Preview/Predictions by Atlantius
This preview will be in several parts which will ultimately end up in a rankings prediction.
Part 1: A brief overview of the leaders of each team and how they stack up against the competition.
Part 2: A look at each terrain ranking the teams.
Part 1 and 2 will be the base of the numbers used for the final overall prediction.
Disclaimer: All numbers are based on my gutfeeling.
Edited by Atlantius on 16-08-2018 10:57
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Posted on 12-08-2018 22:36
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Rank | Team | Pts | 1 | Valio - DeLaval | 9 | 2 | ENI - MOL | 11 | | GCN ProTeam | 11 | | Rothaus - Aegon | 11 | 5 | BNZ Cycling Team | 12 | | Team Cerveceria Costa Rica | 12 | 7 | Delvaux | 13 | 8 | Andorra Project - InGamba | 14 | 9 | Campari - Super Dry | 15 | | Oberfranken | 15 | | Swisslion Cycling Team | 15 | 12 | Equinor Pro Cycling | 16 | | Sauber Petronas Racing | 16 | 14 | Banco de Bogota | 17 | | Compal-Merida | 17 | 16 | Adastra - Argon 18 | 18 | 17 | DK Žalgiris | 21 | | Eddie Stobart | 21 | 19 | Telia-Brussels Airlines | 22 |
1 | Valio - DeLaval | 19 | 2 | Compal-Merida | 25,5 | 3 | GCN ProTeam | 26 | 4 | Rothaus - Aegon | 26,75 | 5 | Team Cerveceria Costa Rica | 29,5 | 6 | Swisslion Cycling Team | 30,5 | 7 | ENI - MOL | 30,75 | 8 | Campari - Super Dry | 31,5 | 9 | Sauber Petronas Racing | 34,25 | 10 | Delvaux | 35 | 11 | Andorra Project - InGamba | 39,5 | 12 | BNZ Cycling Team | 40,5 | 13 | Banco de Bogota | 42 | 14 | Telia-Brussels Airlines | 45,5 | 15 | Eddie Stobart | 46 | 16 | Oberfranken | 47,5 | 17 | Adastra - Argon 18 | 50,5 | 18 | Equinor Pro Cycling | 52 | 19 | DK Žalgiris | 58,5 |
| | Leader | Terrain | Overall | 1 | Valio - DeLaval | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | GCN ProTeam | 2 | 3 | 2,5 | 3 | Rothaus - Aegon | 2 | 4 | 3 | 4 | ENI - MOL | 2 | 7 | 4,5 | 5 | Team Cerveceria Costa Rica | 5 | 5 | 5 | 6 | Swisslion Cycling Team | 9 | 6 | 7,5 | 7 | Compal-Merida | 14 | 2 | 8 | 8 | BNZ Cycling Team | 5 | 12 | 8,5 | 9 | Campari - Super Dry | 9 | 8 | 8,5 | 10 | Delvaux | 7 | 10 | 8,5 | 11 | Andorra Project - InGamba | 8 | 11 | 9,5 | 12 | Sauber Petronas Racing | 12 | 9 | 10,5 | 13 | Oberfranken | 9 | 16 | 12,5 | 14 | Banco de Bogota | 14 | 13 | 13,5 | 15 | Equinor Pro Cycling | 12 | 18 | 15 | 16 | Eddie Stobart | 17 | 15 | 16 | 17 | Adastra - Argon 18 | 16 | 17 | 16,5 | 18 | Telia-Brussels Airlines | 19 | 14 | 16,5 | 19 | DK Žalgiris | 17 | 19 | 18 |
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Posted on 12-08-2018 22:43
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Methodology:
Scoring potential for the teams 4 strongest riders have been evaluated and scored on a 1-10 scale where 1 is best in the division and 10 is without a chance.
Detailed numbers will not be revealed and most teams could move one or two points to either side if I did the same tomorrow.
The team is dominated by Panayatov and Bardet, who both looks like they will be fighting for scraps all season.
They do have a decent sprinter an half-decent TT'er that can step up and take points if they sometimes avoid the big names.
Points: 18
Andorra Project - InGamba
Both Kiserlovski and Warbasse should score well in the stage races and the team even has one of the best TT'ers.
After that it pretty much ends
Points: 14
Here we have an amazing team if you add some leaders on top.
Sepulveda is an interesting rider, but the climbers seem to weak to be able to get the top results needed and no other terrains will cntribute significantly either
Points: 17
Carsi and Von Hoff will serve the team well, but will be hard to get the most out of as they can't get much seperate support.
Edmondson is an interesting rider, but can't be expected to deliver regular top results, but should always be there about.
Points: 12
A very strong puncher in Ben Nasser and a very strong cobbler in Drucker sees the team likely to get a lot of top 5's in classics while the wins could be far in between.
Neither the climbing nor the sprint leaders should deliver huge amounts of points.
Points: 15
Suaza could be a great asset despite his one-sidedness, while Zaini seems a ibt too one-sided to get the biggest points.
Matthews will likely have a hard time getting into the points on stages unless he manages to go where the big names are not. Should be able to fight for top 10's in flat classics though.
Points: 17
A great sprint team with amazing support.
Breen could do well on the cobbles and Kadri could be a good stage hunter, but.
Points: 13
A strong nationality focus can have its price and DK Žalgiris is paying it in a complete lack of top leaders but great depth.
Siskevicius could be the one to upset the order on several occasions and in flat stage races with some TT'ing Kruopis should have a chance to do well.
The rest is likely to take part in races as well.
Points: 17
If planned well Travis Meyer could be a beast.
Thorsen however won't deliver to often due to his awful backup leaving Cimolai as likely being the 2nd best scoring option (which isn't too good).
Points: 21
If Di Maggio doesn't deliver they have a solid back-up option in Serry.
Pomoshnikov and Vanoverschelde should be good for some fine points as well.
Points: 11
Edited by Atlantius on 12-08-2018 22:50
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Posted on 13-08-2018 10:16
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Nicely done. Will be interesting to see the full ranking prediction
In terms of my own team, I think 7th is a very realistic prediction. No doubt there's a lot of teams with similar quality this season, so I wouldn't be surprised if we ended there or even a bit lower, even though I'm hoping to finish slightly higher.
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Atlantius |
Posted on 14-08-2018 12:13
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Methodology:
Scoring potential for the teams 4 strongest riders have been evaluated and scored on a 1-10 scale where 1 is best in the division and 10 is without a chance.
Detailed numbers will not be revealed and most teams could move one or two points to either side if I did the same tomorrow.
If Di Maggio doesn't deliver they have a solid back-up option in Serry.
Pomoshnikov and Vanoverschelde should be good for some fine points as well.
Points: 11
The top riders all have great back-up stats. The big problem is that they haven't really got the main stats to be backed up.
Sadly this is a batch of leaders that needs to celebrate each top 5 like a win to be able to keep up the spirit throughout the season.
They do have every chance to get a bunch of top 10's that could see them still ending up with a decent score.
Points: 16
A good all-round team with no big leader, but no big gaps either and some good depth that should serve them well.
Should be able to score almost everywhere.
Points: 11
Ratiy is one of the best climbers/stage races in the division, which really has to carry this team.
Van Poppel has some great back-up stats for the stage races, but he should have a very hard time really mixing in for the sprints.
Points: 15
A peculiar sprint team with a main sprinter without acceleration and a bunch of leadoutmen with huge accelerations.
The question is if they will help Van Herden och make him blow up. Neverthless being able to field a decent sprinter in every race should see them with a lot of good stage results.
Outside the sprints it's mainly cobbles and to some extent TT'ing that should save them.
Points: 11
They have a great sprinter in Salleh and a decent cobbler in Taubel and the team to support them.
Apart from those it's hard to see where the big points should come from though.
Points: 16
Reus can be great, but can also end up with a lot of unresolved possibilities depending on how his races pan out. Nevertheless relying on a TT'er is always a risky move due to their low number of chances.
Zhupa is a nice options for the cobbles, but also very alone.
Guillén is a beast if he somehow manages to actually be there to contest a sprint, which likely won't happpen often.
Points: 15
Team Cerveceria Costa Rica
Actuall a pretty well-rounded team. One of the best cobblers in the division, decent puncher in Teuns, decent climber in Cstagli and decent sprinter in Colbrelli.
Only Kluge can be expected to battle for wins though.
Points: 12
There is a lot of pressure on Nizzolo even though he isn't expected to be able to do much against the many top sprinters of the division.
Hacecký has the skillset to do well on some mountanous stages if the big climbing teams decide to let him go.
Points: 22
Away goes all objectivity (I have tried being objective though, time will tell how well I've managed...).
Gautier is one of the best punchers in the division, König and Manninen strong challengers to the very best and Kulppi likely to be in the top 10 in a bunch of cobbled classics.
Points: 9
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Posted on 14-08-2018 12:26
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Sykkel_Freak wrote:
Nicely done. Will be interesting to see the full ranking prediction
In terms of my own team, I think 7th is a very realistic prediction. No doubt there's a lot of teams with similar quality this season, so I wouldn't be surprised if we ended there or even a bit lower, even though I'm hoping to finish slightly higher.
Thanks. I think the division looks very close and looking at the numbers just a +-2 for your team would see you finish anywhere from 2nd to 11th.
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Posted on 14-08-2018 16:58
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I know this is just leader scoring being rated but I do feel like you have missed our TT strength as the description doesn't mention it at all. Having the joint best pure TT rider and such a strength in prologues should net us some solid points.
I'd almost go as far as predicting roughly 150 to 200 points for Gabby which should make him one of our 4 leaders, if not he is definitely the wildcard that should make us outperform your prediction as he is capable of competing with he PCT's best, not just dominating CT, even if it is in a specialisation that is rare to find.
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Posted on 14-08-2018 19:48
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sammyt93 wrote:
I know this is just leader scoring being rated but I do feel like you have missed our TT strength as the description doesn't mention it at all. Having the joint best pure TT rider and such a strength in prologues should net us some solid points.
I'd almost go as far as predicting roughly 150 to 200 points for Gabby which should make him one of our 4 leaders, if not he is definitely the wildcard that should make us outperform your prediction as he is capable of competing with he PCT's best, not just dominating CT, even if it is in a specialisation that is rare to find.
I definitely missed Olman in this part, sorted by average and mainly looked at the top 7-8 or something to identify leaders and both Olman and and Chavanne came in lower.
Still doubt that Olman will do a lot though as his terrible back-up stats will disadvantage him in stage race TT's.
Chavanne could be the one to lift you but there's not a lot of races for him on the CT calendar as he really needs and opening Prl followed by some flat stags to score best possibly IMO.
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Methodology:
Teams have been ranked separately on each terrain based on a subjective evaluation of leader strength and team depth.
Teams that are deemed without any viable options are given the average rank of the remaining spots.
These will then be combined to a final Terrain ranking where TT's and the worst other terrain are weighted half as pure TT'ers doesn't get as many chances as others and that it's only possibly to ignore a terrain half. If ignoring more than one it will either lead to more races with no leader or more C1 races, which usually has less scoring for CT teams.
The top of the field when it comes to climbers/stage racers seem very close with Kiserlovski and Ratiy looking the two strongest leaders.
Kiserlovski should have the advantage due to being more well-rounded while Oberfranken looks to have a slightly better back-up.
Below them it's very close but I have put GCN Pro Team and Compal-Merida on equal footing but both Pinot and Suaza could be threatened by better allrounders in many stage races.
Of the 79-climbing leaders I'd put Pomoshnikov on a slight disadvantage compared to König, Costagli and Anacona due to quite one-sided support tam without much depth.
Anaconas chosen style of racing which won't see him attack even if chased by a bear makes it doubtful whether he'll deliver. Banco de Bogota do have some great depth but thee big question is how they will handle the race strategy.
Andorra Project - InGamba | 1 | Oberfranken | 1 | GCN ProTeam | 3 | Compal-Merida | 3 | Valio - DeLaval | 5 | Team Cerveceria Costa Rica | 5 | ENI - MOL | 8 | Banco de Bogota | 5 | Swisslion Cycling Team | 9 | Telia-Brussels Airlines | 10 | Adastra - Argon 18 | 11 | Campari - Super Dry | 12 | Eddie Stobart | 13 | BNZ Cycling Team | 14 | Equinor Pro Cycling | 15 | Sauber Petronas Racing | 17,5 | DK Žalgiris | 17,5 | Rothaus - Aegon | 17,5 | Delvaux | 17,5 |
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Posted on 16-08-2018 10:43
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Despite some weak backups for Di Maggio ENI - MOL has some great hilly depth which earnes them the spot as the best team for the hills.
Close to Di Maggio in the fight for top puncher of the division is Gautier (I could be biased here). The Frenchman has some good backup stats and both the acceleration and fighting spirit to decide things. He doesn't have that one lietenant who will be there for the finale though.
If things come to a sprint Travis Meyer is your man and if planned well he could be worth a lot to Eddie Stobart.
Ben Nasser has a good sprint and strong back-up stats as well, which bring his team to 4th ranked hilly team despite Compal having some great depth.
ENI - MOL | 1 | Valio - DeLaval | 2 | Eddie Stobart | 3 | Campari - Super Dry | 4 | Compal-Merida | 5 | DK Žalgiris | 6 | BNZ Cycling Team | 7 | Team Cerveceria Costa Rica | 8 | Banco de Bogota | 9 | Equinor Pro Cycling | 10 | GCN ProTeam | 11 | Rothaus - Aegon | 12 | Delvaux | 13 | Swisslion Cycling Team | 14 | Sauber Petronas Racing | 15 | Telia-Brussels Airlines | 16 | Andorra Project - InGamba | 18 | Oberfranken | 18 | Adastra - Argon 18 | 18 |
Guarnieri is the standout top sprinter and has the team to back him up, which makes for a clear first plae for Delvaux in the sprinters ranking.
Van Heerden has a great sprint but needs a mile or so to get up in speed. Luckily for him he has a great leadout man for the job in Coutinho - unless the portuguese just jumps away and ruins it all, but I'll give Rothaus the benefit of the doubt. Could either be a dominating duo or complete failure.
While Thorsen and Guillén have great sprints they have equally great trouble actually making it to the finish line with the bunch so they will have a hard time delivering.
BNZ has a strong duo in Carsi and Von Hoff, who could help them get some very good results along the season.
Again I might be biased but Manninen is a great new name among the top sprinters, good backups and even a strong prologue which could help him snatch up a few GC points even. Having a leadout man capable of taking podium finishes in GT sprint while unmaxed last year as well as some more strong support on the flat doesn't hurt either.
Sallehs support team makes him slightly outedge Keukeleire, who again looks better than the rest thanks to a decent cobble-stats that could make him a contender in some races/stages with very easy cobbles.
Delvaux | 1 | Rothaus - Aegon | 2 | BNZ Cycling Team | 3 | Valio - DeLaval | 4 | Sauber Petronas Racing | 5 | GCN ProTeam | 6 | Telia-Brussels Airlines | 7 | ENI - MOL | 8 | Swisslion Cycling Team | 9 | Compal-Merida | 10 | Equinor Pro Cycling | 11 | DK Žalgiris | 12 | Team Cerveceria Costa Rica | 13 | Adastra - Argon 18 | 14 | Banco de Bogota | 15 | Campari - Super Dry | 16 | Oberfranken | 17 | Eddie Stobart | 18 | Andorra Project - InGamba | 19 |
For me Ricardo Ferreira stands out as the top cobbler. Solid back-up stats, decent sprint, decent hill. Not the best support squad though.
Below him Kluge is a rider, who thanks to massive flat stat and a very good print is likely to outperform his cobbles-stat a bit and will see him fight for the win more often than not.
Similar but slightly weaker we have Breen, Zhupa and Drucker.
Zhupa and Drucker look very alone on their teams though, which seems them lose out to the great depth of Sauber in the ranking.
Rothaus - Aegon | 1 | Team Cerveceria Costa Rica | 2 | Delvaux | 3 | Sauber Petronas Racing | 4 | Campari - Super Dry | 5 | Swisslion Cycling Team | 5 | GCN ProTeam | 7 | Valio - DeLaval | 8 | ENI - MOL | 9 | Andorra Project - InGamba | 10 | Compal-Merida | 11 | Oberfranken | 12 | Adastra - Argon 18 | 13 | Eddie Stobart | 14 | Telia-Brussels Airlines | 15 | Banco de Bogota | 16 | DK Žalgiris | 17 | BNZ Cycling Team | 18 | Equinor Pro Cycling | 19 |
With 3 of the 6 best TT'ers of the division obviously Swisslion has to take the top spot here.
Andorra has on of the top TT'ers as well as some good depth that sees them to 2nd place.
For the remaining a combination of backup stats for GC options and TTT-depth have been considered.
Swisslion Cycling Team | 1 | Andorra Project - InGamba | 2 | Sauber Petronas Racing | 3 | Compal-Merida | 4 | Campari - Super Dry | 5 | Rothaus - Aegon | 6 | Adastra - Argon 18 | 7 | Valio - DeLaval | 8 | GCN ProTeam | 9 | Banco de Bogota | 10 | Telia-Brussels Airlines | 11 | DK Žalgiris | 12 | Equinor Pro Cycling | 13 | Eddie Stobart | 14 | BNZ Cycling Team | 15 | Team Cerveceria Costa Rica | 16 | Oberfranken | 17 | Delvaux | 18,5 | ENI - MOL | 18,5 |
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Posted on 16-08-2018 10:49
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For the combined Terrain Score I have reduced the value of the teams worst terrain by 2 as it is only possible to half ignore a terrain due to it's C2HC presence.
If ignoring more than one terrain you need to pick a lot of C1 races where competition is tougher thus I have only discounted on terrain.
TT-impact have also been reduced to half since pure TT'ers have less chances than others. TT-ers with good GC chances will generally have impacted other rankings.
Combined Terrain Score
1 | Valio - DeLaval | 19 | 2 | Compal-Merida | 25,5 | 3 | GCN ProTeam | 26 | 4 | Rothaus - Aegon | 26,75 | 5 | Team Cerveceria Costa Rica | 29,5 | 6 | Swisslion Cycling Team | 30,5 | 7 | ENI - MOL | 30,75 | 8 | Campari - Super Dry | 31,5 | 9 | Sauber Petronas Racing | 34,25 | 10 | Delvaux | 35 | 11 | Andorra Project - InGamba | 39,5 | 12 | BNZ Cycling Team | 40,5 | 13 | Banco de Bogota | 42 | 14 | Telia-Brussels Airlines | 45,5 | 15 | Eddie Stobart | 46 | 16 | Oberfranken | 47,5 | 17 | Adastra - Argon 18 | 50,5 | 18 | Equinor Pro Cycling | 52 | 19 | DK Žalgiris | 58,5 |
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Posted on 16-08-2018 10:57
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As I expect the final result to be somewhere in between the two models I have also made a final overall prediction based on the average finishing position of the teams.
| | Leader | Terrain | Overall | 1 | Valio - DeLaval | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | GCN ProTeam | 2 | 3 | 2,5 | 3 | Rothaus - Aegon | 2 | 4 | 3 | 4 | ENI - MOL | 2 | 7 | 4,5 | 5 | Team Cerveceria Costa Rica | 5 | 5 | 5 | 6 | Swisslion Cycling Team | 9 | 6 | 7,5 | 7 | Compal-Merida | 14 | 2 | 8 | 8 | BNZ Cycling Team | 5 | 12 | 8,5 | 9 | Campari - Super Dry | 9 | 8 | 8,5 | 10 | Delvaux | 7 | 10 | 8,5 | 11 | Andorra Project - InGamba | 8 | 11 | 9,5 | 12 | Sauber Petronas Racing | 12 | 9 | 10,5 | 13 | Oberfranken | 9 | 16 | 12,5 | 14 | Banco de Bogota | 14 | 13 | 13,5 | 15 | Equinor Pro Cycling | 12 | 18 | 15 | 16 | Eddie Stobart | 17 | 15 | 16 | 17 | Adastra - Argon 18 | 16 | 17 | 16,5 | 18 | Telia-Brussels Airlines | 19 | 14 | 16,5 | 19 | DK Žalgiris | 17 | 19 | 18 |
As can be seen in the numbers I expect a fairly close CT this season. Honestly I'm a bit surprised as to how clearly the model predicts my team to win - I do think the title battle will be closer but I hope the team can live up to my predictions (Guess I have to finally accept favourite status when my own calculations re like this).
What do you think about it all?
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Posted on 16-08-2018 12:36
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Would be very happy with 6th although since we are strong in TT's and average everywhere else, our predicted finish might be more volatile than others.
"I am a cyclist, I may not be the best, but that is what I strive to be. I may never get there, but I will never quit trying." - Tadej Pogačar
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Posted on 16-08-2018 15:16
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Not getting Ferreira at this point is really hurting but I'm hoping Warbasse to be worth it.. Still great prediction! Although I'm expecting a better outcome for myself
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Sykkel_Freak |
Posted on 16-08-2018 15:24
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The overall prediction looks fairly good, with maybe a few odd ones sticking out. I would for example be very surprised to see Rothaus - Aegon in the top 5, although they have a very skilled manager Can't see Ferreira picking up big points as consistently as a rider like Kluge, and there are many question marks with regards to their sprint team in my opinion.
I do think the model is very much right in predicting your team to win though. Your squad is very convincing in terms of both depth, quality of leaders and variety, and will be very tough to challenge for other teams.
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Posted on 16-08-2018 15:44
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I dont like this one |
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Atlantius |
Posted on 16-08-2018 15:57
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redordead & Yellow Jersey: As the numbers show I think it will be very close in 6-12th especially, I only have to b slightly off for your teams to change several positions.
Sykkel: I was surprised to see Rothaus so high in the end as well actually, but decided to just stick with my original assessments of the parts. The thing with Ferreira is that I think he could very well be sufficiently strong to get rid of Kluge early on. It could even be that his lack of helpers make him attack earlier to make that even more likely to happen.
quadsas: I understand
Both Siskevicious and Kruopis are the kind of riders that could be the big surprise of the season to lift you up a bit though, but I think you lack the leader(s) to get a lot of wins even though I really like your team actually.
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Posted on 18-08-2018 11:57
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Thanks for the all the job you did. Great read. It seems my top 10 goal will be really hard to get with all those previews having Banco outside the top 10 |
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