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Paris - Rubaix -> PCM 17
Champ_Armstrong
So I've been playing PCM 17 for quite some time now and I think it's great. The only race where I get frustated by the lack of reality is... Paris Rubaix. Lets say I've played Paris Rubaix about 20 times. Everytime the final ends up being a big group of 10-20 riders (so lame and unrealistic), every attack in the final 15 kms - everyone are able to follow. 1 attack, 2 attack, 10 attacks, everyone follows!

So 10 out of 10 times Sagan or Demare or EBH wins.

Therefore I decided to make a custom rider with 85 cobbles and rest Sagan stats. What happens? 1 attack, 2 attack, 10 attacks, everyone follows! Even Kekuleire with low stats are able to follow AAALLL the time...

I use the Dot - when going on paves I put it on 95%. Still after the sectors - everyone follows! I tried from 20, 30, 40, kms out, but that is not possible somehow since the energy falls too quick.. hmmm


So I decided to Google "Paris Rubaix pcm 17" and funny enough found loads of youtube videos where the case seems to be the same.

https://www.youtu...YYeIH9f6xc

Am I doing anything wrong?
Is this an AI bug?
Any experiences about this?

I think this should be reported directly to Cyanide if not so Smile

I remember the older versions where it was so realistic and fun. Now I just think its lame..
 
roturn
Can`t guarantee it as I never played PCM17 Paris Roubaix.

But cobbles have a rating between 1 (easy) and 5 (extreme). This can be edited for every single section.

I don`t know the exact ratings of the Cyanide version but for older PCM versions there are lots of versions where the difficulty of each sector is set to level 5 to get a more realistic outcome.

You could check through the stage db to download a Paris Roubaix variant. With the zcts file you can then go into the stage editor and edit the sector ratings and see if it is more realistic then.


IF (and this is an If only as I simply have no clue) the Cyanide version already is at level 5 for all paves, then you won`t get a more realistic outcome most likely.


Another thing is road wideness.
I prefer stages without narrow roads at all as they lead to other AI problems. But narrow roads can on cobbles lead to more selection and hence smaller groups.
I guess the official Cyanide version is with narrow roads already?
 
df_Trek
It seems that all sectors have their real stars level, so it can be a try.

Narrow roads are more realstic IMO, because also in real races you have to fight for positioning, and like also Nibali told about his experience in RVV you spend almost more energy to take front of group than in the real crucial point, but yes unfortunatly sometimes the AI is acting too bad

I guess the official Cyanide version is with narrow roads already?


the official one has them
 
Champ_Armstrong
Thanks. It is narrow roads and real stars so I guess its just the AI behavior.

Unfortunately..
 
roturn
Well, you can still change the stars then.

Real stars means some have * and others **.

Make them all to ***** and the outcome might be more realistic.
 
Champ_Armstrong
Any guidance how to do this?

I think 2-3 paves are 5 stars like IRL, but most of them are lower.
 
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roturn
You will need a Paris Roubaix zcts file.

Either from the stage db or check through PCM12-17 stage threads.
I might have one as well somewhere but can`t check right now.

When opening it in the PCM17 stage editor then, you can go to camera -> spline camera and edit the "stars" there.

Unfortunately not possible to edit this with the game files only.
 
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