The crisis of Italian cycling
Italian cycling in my opinion is in crisis, especially in one-day races. What do you all think?
One ProTour team is really small thing...
Races (27)
Date Race Class
04.10 Il Lombardia Startlist 1.UWT
13.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal WELLENS 1.UWT
11.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec URAN 1.UWT
30.08 GP Ouest France - Plouay KRISTOFF 1.UWT
23.08 Vattenfall Cyclassics GREIPEL 1.UWT
22.08 » 13.09 Vuelta a Espana ARU 2.UWT
10.08 » 16.08 Eneco Tour WELLENS 2.UWT
02.08 » 08.08 Tour de Pologne IZAGIRRE 2.UWT
01.08 Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian YATES 1.UWT
04.07 » 26.07 Tour de France FROOME 2.UWT
13.06 » 21.06 Tour de Suisse ŠPILAK 2.UWT
07.06 » 14.06 Critérium du Dauphiné FROOME 2.UWT
09.05 » 31.05 Giro d'Italia CONTADOR 2.UWT
28.04 » 03.05 Tour de Romandie ZAKARIN 2.UWT
26.04 Liège - Bastogne - Liège VALVERDE 1.UWT
22.04 La Flèche Wallonne VALVERDE 1.UWT
19.04 Amstel Gold Race KWIATKOWSKI 1.UWT
12.04 Paris - Roubaix DEGENKOLB 1.UWT
06.04 » 11.04 Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco RODRÍGUEZ 2.UWT
05.04 Ronde van Vlaanderen / Tour des Flandres KRISTOFF 1.UWT
29.03 Gent - Wevelgem PAOLINI 1.UWT
27.03 E3 Harelbeke THOMAS 1.UWT
23.03 » 29.03 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya PORTE 2.UWT
22.03 Milano-Sanremo DEGENKOLB 1.UWT
11.03 » 17.03 Tirreno-Adriatico QUINTANA 2.UWT
08.03 » 15.03 Paris - Nice PORTE 2.UWT
20.01 » 25.01 Santos Tour Down Under DENNIS 2.UWT
only Aru and Paolini...
Edited by udoi on 01-10-2015 19:25
udoi wrote:
There are Aru and Nibali and then too little
That's just not true, Italy has good cyclists on the way and nothing wrong with one WT team and four PCT teams, Spain only has one of each. Aru, Felline, Bonifazio, Malori, Viviani, Modolo, Formolo, Colbrelli, Trentin, De Marchi are enough to show that Italy is still a force with younger riders also coming through. Nibali still has plenty to offer and the same goes for Pozzovivo, Ulissi and there are others. They might not be the super power that they once were but that goes for a heap of the old established powers in cycling thanks to more riders from different countries coming into the system.
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
Lakeside Drive Emerald https://www.everesting.cc/hall-of-fame/
udoi wrote:
Races (27)
Date Race Class
04.10 Il Lombardia Startlist 1.UWT
13.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal WELLENS 1.UWT
11.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec URAN 1.UWT
30.08 GP Ouest France - Plouay KRISTOFF 1.UWT
23.08 Vattenfall Cyclassics GREIPEL 1.UWT
22.08 » 13.09 Vuelta a Espana ARU 2.UWT
10.08 » 16.08 Eneco Tour WELLENS 2.UWT
02.08 » 08.08 Tour de Pologne IZAGIRRE 2.UWT
01.08 Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian YATES 1.UWT
04.07 » 26.07 Tour de France FROOME 2.UWT
13.06 » 21.06 Tour de Suisse ŠPILAK 2.UWT
07.06 » 14.06 Critérium du Dauphiné FROOME 2.UWT
09.05 » 31.05 Giro d'Italia CONTADOR 2.UWT
28.04 » 03.05 Tour de Romandie ZAKARIN 2.UWT
26.04 Liège - Bastogne - Liège VALVERDE 1.UWT
22.04 La Flèche Wallonne VALVERDE 1.UWT
19.04 Amstel Gold Race KWIATKOWSKI 1.UWT
12.04 Paris - Roubaix DEGENKOLB 1.UWT
06.04 » 11.04 Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco RODRÍGUEZ 2.UWT
05.04 Ronde van Vlaanderen / Tour des Flandres KRISTOFF 1.UWT
29.03 Gent - Wevelgem PAOLINI 1.UWT
27.03 E3 Harelbeke THOMAS 1.UWT
23.03 » 29.03 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya PORTE 2.UWT
22.03 Milano-Sanremo DEGENKOLB 1.UWT
11.03 » 17.03 Tirreno-Adriatico QUINTANA 2.UWT
08.03 » 15.03 Paris - Nice PORTE 2.UWT
20.01 » 25.01 Santos Tour Down Under DENNIS 2.UWT
only Aru and Paolini...
Just showing this doesn't prove much, do you realise that in individual stages in the WT stage races that Italian riders have won 20 stages! I don't think Italian cycling is in the crisis you think it is
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
Lakeside Drive Emerald https://www.everesting.cc/hall-of-fame/
Italian cycling is definatly in crisis. No doubt. Bar Nibali and Aru the top class riders are lacking.
Very sad there is only 1 Italian WT team left. All the Italian teams left are run on money that comes from Eastern Asia (Merida, Nippo, Southeast).
made a post a couple months ago about how great the generation before this one was:
But the Italians had such an immensely big talent pool these last 20 years.
Marco Pantani
Mario Cipollini
Paolo Bettini
Michele Bartoli
Alessandro Petacchi
Davide Rebellin
Gilberto Simoni
Stefano Garzelli
Paolo Savoldelli
Ivan Gotti
Mirko Celestino
Gabriele Colombo
Gianluca Bortolami
All born in like a 5 year stretch. All won either a GT or a monument. Truly incredible. Doubt we will ever see anything like that again from one country in such a short time span so many top riders.
But even compared to generations before that one Italy is not as strong at the top at the moment
Spilak23 wrote:
Italian cycling is definatly in crisis. No doubt. Bar Nibali and Aru the top class riders are lacking.
Very sad there is only 1 Italian WT team left. All the Italian teams left are run on money that comes from Eastern Asia (Merida, Nippo, Southeast).
made a post a couple months ago about how great the generation before this one was:
But the Italians had such an immensely big talent pool these last 20 years.
Marco Pantani
Mario Cipollini
Paolo Bettini
Michele Bartoli
Alessandro Petacchi
Davide Rebellin
Gilberto Simoni
Stefano Garzelli
Paolo Savoldelli
Ivan Gotti
Mirko Celestino
Gabriele Colombo
Gianluca Bortolami
All born in like a 5 year stretch. All won either a GT or a monument. Truly incredible. Doubt we will ever see anything like that again from one country in such a short time span so many top riders.
But even compared to generations before that one Italy is not as strong at the top at the moment
No country amongst the established cycling nations are stacked at the top with talent anymore, all of Spain's are ageing outside of Landa who needs to back it up next season, France is on the way back up but not one rider who can be considered a force, Belgium have Gilbert and GVA with the rest either young or past there best, Netherlands don't have a real top shelf star but Dumoulin is coming up, Germany are getting better. Italy doesn't look to bad when you look at it, I wouldn't call it a crisis but call it the changing face of cycling with the talent pool spread over more countries than it was 20 years ago
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
Lakeside Drive Emerald https://www.everesting.cc/hall-of-fame/
If italian cycling is in crisis what about French ? Spanish ? Bar Conta/Valv/Purito (who will be gone in year or 2?
The fact is that there are TOO many "small" countries with good riders. Like Norway, Poland, Great Britain, Slovakia...even Colombia. And this make it harder for the "big" nations fo dominate.. Yeah, this generation isn't that dominating.....but that's life//sport. There is NO way in hell one country to dominate the world of ANY (international) sport year after year, generation after generation.. There are good times and bad times....and if this is Italy's "bad times"...there's nothing to complain.
Look at France, as example.....what about France ?
There are 3 GTs.
There are hundreds of countries.
Cycling is becoming a global sport, slowly but steadily. Last World Champions were Polish and Slovakian to prove that point.
Italy has won 1/3 Grand Tours.
That's no crisis.
Sure, Italy isn't the strong Italy it used to be.
Same for France.
Same for Belgium (we're in a crisis because there's no new Merckx? Doesn't work that way)
Same for any one country.
Like Strydz said, cycling is becoming more global and one country can't win them all. I'd say winning the Vuelta with a 25 year old rider isn't the face of a country in crisis. It's the face of a decent country in modern cycling. Wish I could say the same for Belgium
Spilak23 wrote:
But the Italians had such an immensely big talent pool these last 20 years.
Marco Pantani
Mario Cipollini
Paolo Bettini
Michele Bartoli
Alessandro Petacchi
Davide Rebellin
Gilberto Simoni
Stefano Garzelli
Paolo Savoldelli
Ivan Gotti
Mirko Celestino
Gabriele Colombo
Gianluca Bortolami
All born in like a 5 year stretch. All won either a GT or a monument. Truly incredible. Doubt we will ever see anything like that again from one country in such a short time span so many top riders
Also need remember what the majority of this generation had on there side, Conconi, Casoni, Grazzi, Cecchini and Ferrari
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
Lakeside Drive Emerald https://www.everesting.cc/hall-of-fame/
Results of the last 5 years with few victories Italian
2011
Races (26)
Date Race Class
15.10 Il Lombardia ZAUGG WT
05.10 » 09.10 Tour of Beijing MARTIN WT
11.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal COSTA WT
09.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Quebec GILBERT WT
28.08 GP Ouest France - Plouay BOLE WT
20.08 » 11.09 Vuelta a Espana COBO WT
08.08 » 14.08 Eneco Tour BOASSON HAGEN WT
31.07 » 06.08 Tour de Pologne SAGAN WT
30.07 Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian GILBERT WT
02.07 » 24.07 Tour de France EVANS WT
11.06 » 19.06 Tour de Suisse LEIPHEIMER WT
05.06 » 12.06 Critérium du Dauphiné WIGGINS WT
07.05 » 29.05 Giro d´Italia SCARPONI WT
26.04 » 01.05 Tour de Romandie EVANS WT
24.04 Liège-Bastogne-Liège GILBERT WT
20.04 La Flèche Wallonne GILBERT WT
17.04 Amstel Gold Race GILBERT WT
10.04 Paris - Roubaix VANSUMMEREN WT
04.04 » 09.04 Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco KLÖDEN WT
03.04 Ronde van Vlaanderen / Tour des Flandres NUYENS WT
27.03 Gent - Wevelgem BOONEN WT
21.03 » 27.03 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya SCARPONI WT
19.03 Milano-Sanremo GOSS WT
09.03 » 15.03 Tirreno-Adriatico EVANS WT
06.03 » 13.03 Paris - Nice MARTIN WT
18.01 » 23.01 Tour Down Under MEYER WT
2012
Races (28)
Date Race Class
09.10 » 13.10 Tour of Beijing MARTIN WT
29.09 Il Lombardia RODRÍGUEZ WT
09.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal NORDHAUG WT
07.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Quebec GERRANS WT
26.08 GP Ouest France - Plouay BOASSON HAGEN WT
19.08 Vattenfall Cyclassics DÉMARE WT
18.08 » 09.09 Vuelta a Espana CONTADOR WT
14.08 Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian SANCHEZ WT
06.08 » 12.08 Eneco Tour BOOM WT
10.07 » 16.07 Tour de Pologne MOSER WT
30.06 » 22.07 Tour de France WIGGINS WT
09.06 » 17.06 Tour de Suisse COSTA WT
03.06 » 10.06 Critérium du Dauphiné WIGGINS WT
05.05 » 27.05 Giro d´Italia HESJEDAL WT
24.04 » 29.04 Tour de Romandie WIGGINS WT
22.04 Liège-Bastogne-Liège IGLINSKIY WT
18.04 La Flèche Wallonne RODRÍGUEZ WT
15.04 Amstel Gold Race GASPAROTTO WT
08.04 Paris - Roubaix BOONEN WT
02.04 » 07.04 Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco SÁNCHEZ WT
01.04 Ronde van Vlaanderen / Tour des Flandres BOONEN WT
25.03 Gent - Wevelgem BOONEN WT
23.03 E3 Prijs Vlaanderen BOONEN WT
19.03 » 25.03 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya ALBASINI WT
17.03 Milano-Sanremo GERRANS WT
07.03 » 13.03 Tirreno-Adriatico NIBALI WT
04.03 » 11.03 Paris - Nice WIGGINS WT
17.01 » 22.01 Santos Tour Down Under GERRANS WT
2013
Races (28)
Date Race Class
11.10 » 15.10 Tour of Beijing INTXAUSTI WT
06.10 Il Lombardia RODRÍGUEZ WT
15.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal SAGAN WT
13.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec GESINK WT
01.09 GP Ouest France - Plouay POZZATO WT
25.08 Vattenfall Cyclassics DEGENKOLB WT
24.08 » 15.09 Vuelta a España HORNER WT
12.08 » 18.08 Eneco Tour STYBAR WT
27.07 Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian GALLOPIN WT
27.07 » 03.08 Tour de Pologne WEENING WT
29.06 » 21.07 Tour de France FROOME WT
08.06 » 16.06 Tour de Suisse COSTA WT
02.06 » 09.06 Critérium du Dauphiné FROOME WT
04.05 » 26.05 Giro d´Italia NIBALI WT
23.04 » 28.04 Tour de Romandie FROOME WT
21.04 Liège - Bastogne - Liège MARTIN WT
17.04 La Flèche Wallonne MORENO WT
14.04 Amstel Gold Race KREUZIGER WT
07.04 Paris - Roubaix CANCELLARA WT
01.04 » 06.04 Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco QUINTANA WT
31.03 Ronde van Vlaanderen / Tour des Flandres CANCELLARA WT
24.03 Gent - Wevelgem SAGAN WT
22.03 E3 Prijs Vlaanderen - Harelbeke CANCELLARA WT
18.03 » 25.03 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya MARTIN WT
16.03 » 17.03 Milano-Sanremo CIOLEK WT
06.03 » 13.03 Tirreno-Adriatico NIBALI WT
03.03 » 11.03 Paris - Nice PORTE WT
22.01 » 27.01 Santos Tour Down Under SLAGTER WT
2014
Races (28)
Date Race Class
10.10 » 14.10 Tour of Beijing GILBERT 2.UWT
05.10 Il Lombardia MARTIN 1.UWT
14.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal GERRANS 1.UWT
12.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec GERRANS 1.UWT
31.08 GP Ouest France - Plouay CHAVANEL 1.UWT
24.08 Vattenfall Cyclassics KRISTOFF 1.UWT
23.08 » 14.09 Vuelta a España CONTADOR 2.UWT
11.08 » 17.08 Eneco Tour WELLENS 2.UWT
03.08 » 09.08 Tour de Pologne MAJKA 2.UWT
02.08 Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian VALVERDE 1.UWT
05.07 » 27.07 Tour de France NIBALI 2.UWT
14.06 » 22.06 Tour de Suisse COSTA 2.UWT
08.06 » 15.06 Critérium du Dauphiné TALANSKY 2.UWT
09.05 » 01.06 Giro d'Italia QUINTANA 2.UWT
29.04 » 04.05 Tour de Romandie FROOME 2.UWT
27.04 Liège - Bastogne - Liège GERRANS 1.UWT
23.04 La Flèche Wallonne VALVERDE 1.UWT
20.04 Amstel Gold Race GILBERT 1.UWT
13.04 Paris - Roubaix TERPSTRA 1.UWT
07.04 » 12.04 Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco CONTADOR 2.UWT
06.04 Ronde van Vlaanderen / Tour des Flandres CANCELLARA 1.UWT
30.03 Gent-Wevelgem In Flanders Fields DEGENKOLB 1.UWT
28.03 E3 Harelbeke SAGAN 1.UWT
24.03 » 30.03 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya RODRÍGUEZ 2.UWT
23.03 Milano-Sanremo KRISTOFF 1.UWT
12.03 » 18.03 Tirreno-Adriatico CONTADOR 2.UWT
09.03 » 16.03 Paris - Nice BETANCUR 2.UWT
21.01 » 26.01 Tour Down Under GERRANS 2.UW
2015
Races (27)
Date Race Class
04.10 Il Lombardia Startlist 1.UWT
13.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal WELLENS 1.UWT
11.09 Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec URAN 1.UWT
30.08 GP Ouest France - Plouay KRISTOFF 1.UWT
23.08 Vattenfall Cyclassics GREIPEL 1.UWT
22.08 » 13.09 Vuelta a Espana ARU 2.UWT
10.08 » 16.08 Eneco Tour WELLENS 2.UWT
02.08 » 08.08 Tour de Pologne IZAGIRRE 2.UWT
01.08 Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian YATES 1.UWT
04.07 » 26.07 Tour de France FROOME 2.UWT
13.06 » 21.06 Tour de Suisse ŠPILAK 2.UWT
07.06 » 14.06 Critérium du Dauphiné FROOME 2.UWT
09.05 » 31.05 Giro d'Italia CONTADOR 2.UWT
28.04 » 03.05 Tour de Romandie ZAKARIN 2.UWT
26.04 Liège - Bastogne - Liège VALVERDE 1.UWT
22.04 La Flèche Wallonne VALVERDE 1.UWT
19.04 Amstel Gold Race KWIATKOWSKI 1.UWT
12.04 Paris - Roubaix DEGENKOLB 1.UWT
06.04 » 11.04 Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco RODRÍGUEZ 2.UWT
05.04 Ronde van Vlaanderen / Tour des Flandres KRISTOFF 1.UWT
29.03 Gent - Wevelgem PAOLINI 1.UWT
27.03 E3 Harelbeke THOMAS 1.UWT
23.03 » 29.03 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya PORTE 2.UWT
22.03 Milano-Sanremo DEGENKOLB 1.UWT
11.03 » 17.03 Tirreno-Adriatico QUINTANA 2.UWT
08.03 » 15.03 Paris - Nice PORTE 2.UWT
20.01 » 25.01 Santos Tour Down Under DENNIS 2.UWT
The wins are not so many and the champions of today are not those of the past, even though many of them there is a suspicion of doping.
