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PCM 15: AI Behaviour
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 18-06-2015 20:49
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A thread for AI behavior.
Please post here when you notice weird Ai behaviour. Collecting it at one place makes it easier for Cyanide to solve.
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- Upload your replay (no youtube videos, save the replay ingame and upload it)
- Is it in career mode/stage race mode/single stage mode?
- When does it happen in the replay (KMs remaining)
- What happens there?
- What would you like to see/What do you think would be "real" cycling?
All posts without the template will be deleted so no discussions and if there is really any need there are other threads for it
Edited by Jesleyh on 18-06-2015 20:49
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 19-06-2015 01:57
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Very interested to see if the peloton stopping bug will continue. That's make or break for me in terms of buying the game.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 19-06-2015 03:27
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Very interested to see if the peloton stopping bug will continue. That's make or break for me in terms of buying the game.
It still exists as far as I could see...They stopped although I had only a weak team, and when I tried to break free, they chased me down.
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| Dax |
Posted on 19-06-2015 13:01
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Sorry, I do not have a replay for this, mostly because I'm not sure what I could record, but
- Is it in career mode/stage race mode/single stage mode? : Pro Cycling Mode
- When does it happen in the replay (KMs remaining) : always
- What happens there? :
Basically, I noticed - at least after the first 3 months of playing - that my leaders don't... seem to be really interested in winning. I'm not sure how to explain it, but whenever I race, they just let the "big guys" go on and always get mediocre placements.
The second thing, is that, when I simulate, I always get last or almost last, despite my character being better than most of the racers (I'm in a Continental team)
Is somebody else having these two problems?
- What would you like to see/What do you think would be "real" cycling?
Nothing special, it's just not working as I would've expected (even with last year's PCM or stuff like that).
edit: the first problem ceased after the first couple of months, the second, it depends it seems.
Edited by Dax on 20-06-2015 00:13
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| coolrex |
Posted on 20-06-2015 00:05
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National champion bug is still there, i won it with my pro cyclist on like 20 min from Mollema |
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 21-06-2015 15:14
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Had an AI problem, unfortunately no replay though.
- Is it in career mode/stage race mode/single stage mode? - Pro Cyclist Mode, Season One (Dorpenomloop Rucphen)
- When does it happen in the replay (KMs remaining) - 10 kilometres to go
- What happens there? - My rider crashed, and when it happened the peloton sat up. I then rejoined the peloton and it continued to not chase the breakaway, which gap grew to around 6 minutes. I then attacked and the peloton continued to not chase until the sprint started. The breakaway won the race.
- What would you like to see/What do you think would be "real" cycling? - The peloton to continue chasing the breakaway instead of sitting up. |
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| Don-Emilio |
Posted on 23-06-2015 15:11
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Career mode.
In tours
My riders never almost never allowed in breaks. The breakaway never wins the stage, always get caught. Even in the grand tours on the "middle" stages where the sprinters have no chance and the the terrain is not tough enough for the GC riders, the breakaway never holds to the end.
I would like som possibility that the breakaway gets to win the stage occasionally.
- What would you like to see/What do you think would be "real" cycling? |
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| Dax |
Posted on 23-06-2015 17:04
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cross posting: https://pcmdaily.c...st_1077563
this happened in Pro Cyclist obviously, otherwise I would've slowed him down.
Basically, it would be better if, when the green bar is going in the danger zone, the AI "dots" him down to try and make him complete the stage, but certainly not go full-strenght until he's dead... |
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 23-06-2015 21:52
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Not a post of a recognised AI fault (I've only just gotten the game), but I'm keen to see if the ultra frustrating classics AI characteristic is still present from PCM 2014. You know - the one where the elite group towards the end of the race will work as a team to stop your rider but will sit up if another AI guy makes a break for victory.
Anyone seen it yet? It was infuriating in PCM2014. |
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 23-06-2015 21:52
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Replicate post 
Edited by Dee-Jay on 23-06-2015 21:53
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 23-06-2015 21:52
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Replicate post Sorry
Edited by Dee-Jay on 23-06-2015 21:53
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| hairingtons |
Posted on 24-06-2015 00:10
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Slightly annoying AI behaviour in 'Be A Pro' mode.
Tour of California. I had the race lead so my team give me one rider to protect me. But when I dropped to 2nd place, just 7 seconds off the lead, the team don't do anything for me. Instead working the normal team captain (who is over 4 minutes behind).
So on the final stage. I force a split in the peleton. There are time bonuses to be had, meaning I can still win. But my two team mates in the split with me, won't work! |
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| Popeye |
Posted on 24-06-2015 00:17
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Don-Emilio wrote:
Career mode.
In tours
My riders never almost never allowed in breaks. The breakaway never wins the stage, always get caught. Even in the grand tours on the "middle" stages where the sprinters have no chance and the the terrain is not tough enough for the GC riders, the breakaway never holds to the end.
I would like som possibility that the breakaway gets to win the stage occasionally.
- What would you like to see/What do you think would be "real" cycling?
Unfortunately PCm has been this way for a number of years now. The ai is awful and results in every race having the same feel. Every year they bring out new features or new graphics or a new interface and yet miss the most glaring and fundamental problem with the series. Every year I buy the game in the hope it will get better  |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 24-06-2015 00:47
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Wouldn't say so, there's definitely a lot of AI stuff that has improved, maybe not dramatically but structurally each year.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-06-2015 08:26
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Jesleyh wrote:
Wouldn't say so, there's definitely a lot of AI stuff that has improved, maybe not dramatically but structurally each year.
I can see the slight improvements in PCM15, but no way you can talk about improving AI in PCM12-14, that went major downhill to almost unplayable PCM14 game, AI wise...but you cant see it when you have not played older version then 2012. 
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 24-06-2015 21:20
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I thought PCM12 was pretty good in terms of AI (although it was my first edition). PCM13 added the animation for a tired out rider which was a good touch, and the AI was reasonable but they deactivated the resistance stat, right? Anyone know why? PCM14 had awful AI at times.
I've not played much of PCM15 - I hope they've fixed the AI. It simply must be done. The Pro Cyclist mode has been added - that mode will live or die by the quality of AI as you can't work around weaknesses like you can if you have full control of the team.
For me, it all comes down to wishing that Cyanide would spend a year getting the core engine/AI and career front end just right before adding new features which don't work well or fancier graphics. Get the main game right first, then add features to a quality base game.
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| Anderis |
Posted on 25-06-2015 01:26
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Dee-Jay wrote:
For me, it all comes down to wishing that Cyanide would spend a year getting the core engine/AI and career front end just right before adding new features which don't work well or fancier graphics. Get the main game right first, then add features to a quality base game.
Couldn't agree more! |
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| emre99 |
Posted on 25-06-2015 01:33
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Sorry no replay  
- Is it in career mode/stage race mode/single stage mode? Career Mode
- When does it happen in the replay (KMs remaining) 20kms left.
- What happens there? The breakaway which includes my rider, and 3 AI riders who where in the breakaway since the start of the stage, have an advantage of 2'15'' seconds from the peloton and no one works in the breakaway. If I want to attack, they just 'Follow Attack' and I can't escape! What happened? My yellow bar ended and as no one worked, a sprinter from the peloton win the stage.
- What would you like to see/What do you think would be "real" cycling?
They might not work, okay, but they must attack if they have a good lead from the peloton (even if they don't relay)!
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Edited by emre99 on 25-06-2015 01:34
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 27-06-2015 10:56
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- Upload your replay Sorry - I don't know how to do a replay upload!
- Is it in career mode/stage race mode/single stage mode? Career
- When does it happen in the replay (KMs remaining)? Throughout the stage.
- What happens there?
Stage 3 - Vuelta a Mallorca (queen stage).
I have the leaders jersey with Cavendish, but obviously he's not going to hold it through the mountains, which Uran is there for. A break goes away early with Moinard and a load of weak climbers. The peloton (inc Contador, Froome, Purito, Valverde) basically let the break ride away to 12 min gap, leaving it all to my team to pursue, which I react to too late. Moinard wins the stage by 5 mins from Uran who the big riders let ride away 8km from the end (why???) and build a gap of 2 mins!!!!
Moinard protects his lead and wins GC next stage.
- What would you like to see/What do you think would be "real" cycling?
Break goes out, Moinard takes the KOM points and then the big teams cooperate to bring the break in. Moinard either holds on for an unlikely but heroic win by a small amount of time or gets swamped on the Puig Major climb towards the end by the big names looking for an early season win.
Tl;DR - Peloton sits up and lets a slightly dangerous rider in the break ride away to a huge win in a mountainous stage
Edited by Dee-Jay on 27-06-2015 10:57
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| Fresh D |
Posted on 29-06-2015 09:40
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This years AI is so broken it isn't funny.
- Upload your replay (no youtube videos, save the replay ingame and upload it):
no replay
- Is it in career mode/stage race mode/single stage mode?:
In single stage mode
- When does it happen in the replay (KMs remaining)
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- What happens there?
On all but one hilly stage at the 2015 Giro d' Italia, not a single rider tries to break away from the field or even get the mountain points out of the complete field and only guys with mountain points were trying to get in the break at the one hilly stage that had a breakaway going.
Additionally, at the finish the "bunch sprint" with 162 riders starts at 1km to go with only Boonen and Matthews contesting for the stage, Boonen even got outsprinted by his leadout Meersman, the other good sprinters in the field dont' appear at the front but have enough power to plough through the field to get 20 to 30ish places.
Also, you as human player are able to start sprinting a lot earlier than the CPU and just win these stages easily by unloading your sprinter a km earlier than the rest.
- What would you like to see/What do you think would be "real" cycling?
Breakaways of course, a contest for the mountan jersey like the one for the sprinters jersey and of course a "normal" sprint or atleast a sprint where every rider with good sprint stats in the remaining peloton sprints and places himself in agood position before the sprint.
Seriously, how can you make the AI from year to year worse?
What are the beta testers for besides testing the be a pro progression?
It's good that the yellow bar decreases faster but that's completely rendered useless when there are those above mentioned major bugs at the same time that totally ruin the fun.
Even FIFA 15 had a better CPU than this shit this year, sorry.
Edited by Fresh D on 29-06-2015 09:46
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