Contador won both Tirreno - Adriatico and Pais Vasco and seems to get near to his pre-suspension form.
He and Froome were both ''shared'' favourites for this TdF, but they both crashed.
admirschleck wrote:
Navardauskas was 3rd on Champs Elysee (besides all other great results on the Tour this year), so you can't really say he's not a real sprinter.
While you are right, he doesn't have the same ACC like the "real" sprinters.
At least thats what i think.
He is fast enough to get 77, but to get a more real Navardauskas in the game i think lowering his ACC a bit so he doesn't jump out of a box, but comes with a steady strong sprint instead, would be better.
In my opinion Pinot doesn't deserve 80, i mean he took 8 min (79 maybe). Same for Peraud. About Hill stats i've seen contador and Nibali both 79, but the Italian in the classic managed to reach better result than the Spanish and Pozzovivo is 78 (which is good) but it's the same for Pinot and others. After Liege i think he should have 1 point more at least.
ste_18 wrote:
In my opinion Pinot doesn't deserve 80, i mean he took 8 min (79 maybe). Same for Peraud. About Hill stats i've seen contador and Nibali both 79, but the Italian in the classic managed to reach better result than the Spanish and Pozzovivo is 78 (which is good) but it's the same for Pinot and others. After Liege i think he should have 1 point more at least.
Agree for the mountains BUT the hilly races Contador raced were:
1) Basque Country where he beat the second best puncher in the hills.
2) TdF stage 8 where he's beaten, guess who .....
We've given Navardauskas ''just'' 75ACC, but we could give him 74 maybe. It's just pretty tough to get his stats right, I understand what you're saying.
Contador and Nibali are both fairly good on hills. Hills is more than just Ardennes anyway.
Pinot was a point of doubt, but has relatively bad backup stats.
Edited by Jesleyh on 23-08-2014 19:22
ste_18 wrote:
In my opinion Pinot doesn't deserve 80, i mean he took 8 min (79 maybe). Same for Peraud. About Hill stats i've seen contador and Nibali both 79, but the Italian in the classic managed to reach better result than the Spanish and Pozzovivo is 78 (which is good) but it's the same for Pinot and others. After Liege i think he should have 1 point more at least.
Agree for the mountains BUT the hilly races Contador raced were:
1) Basque Country where he beat the second best puncher in the hills.
2) TdF stage 8 where he's beaten, guess who .....
Basque and stage 8 of Le Tour aren't really classics. When you'll play Liege Contador will be at the same level if not even stronger (due to the 82 in MO) than Nibali eventhough he manged to do 2nd at Liege and 3rd at Milano San Remo (not this year but i think he can do better than Contador in those races)
I know hill is more than just Ardennes, this was my opinion though
Edited by ste_18 on 23-08-2014 19:26
ste_18 wrote:
In my opinion Pinot doesn't deserve 80, i mean he took 8 min (79 maybe). Same for Peraud. About Hill stats i've seen contador and Nibali both 79, but the Italian in the classic managed to reach better result than the Spanish and Pozzovivo is 78 (which is good) but it's the same for Pinot and others. After Liege i think he should have 1 point more at least.
Agree for the mountains BUT the hilly races Contador raced were:
1) Basque Country where he beat the second best puncher in the hills.
2) TdF stage 8 where he's beaten, guess who .....
Basque and stage 8 of Le Tour aren't really classics. When you'll play Liege Contador will be at the same level if not even stronger (due to the 82 in MO) than Nibali eventhough he manged to do 2nd at Liege and 3rd at Milano San Remo (not this year but i think he can do better than Contador in those races)
We don't know how Bertie will do cuz he hasn't ridden them and ther's no real reason for thinking he'll fail except ppersonal prejudices That's why eaqual stats are fine for me. But of course if you quote for Nibbles you have the full right to change the stats for yourself
Arberg27: You could say Andy Schleck have not taken his training seriously last 4 seasons.
Valverde has also won many small race, it does not make him better than Quintana.
Valverde have won some small races for sure but he never beated the best climbers in mountain stages this year which were the case with Contador who won mountain stages against riders like Froome and Quintana.
Edited by Naskela on 23-08-2014 19:31
I'm not sure. 63HI might cause him to drop at the first TdF stage(or at least make it hard to win), for example. 65 seems drastic enough, because Kristoff already has 9 HI stats higher than him Edited by Jesleyh on 23-08-2014 19:33
Jesleyh wrote:
I'm not sure. 63HI might cause him to drop at the first TdF stage, for example. 65 seems drastic enough, because Kristoff already has 9 HI stats higher than him
Yeah. You could be right about that. But could be worth checking In game
Cause he is really bad on hills, but i don't know how it looks in the game with the current stats
Quickly looking at the results, it seems that TvG never even managed to stay in the same group as Pinot, let alone beating him even once.
78MO is enough for Tejay. As said, Pinot was really a 50/50(Alak and I had multiple discussions about that ), but got 80MO with low backup stats.
@Dusen Well, Pinot got 7th in the Vuelta and is really developing well atm. Tejay always profits from his TT and was never a ''star'' in the mountains itself, though it seems he's getting stronger.
Edited by Jesleyh on 23-08-2014 19:44
Jesleyh wrote:
Quickly looking at the results, it seems that TvG never even managed to stay in the same group as Pinot, let alone beating him even once.
78MO is enough for Tejay. As said, Pinot was really a 50/50(Alak and I had multiple discussions about that ), but got 80MO with low backup stats.
@Dusen Well, Pinot got 7th in the Vuelta and is really developing well atm. Tejay always profits from his TT and was never a ''star'' in the mountains itself, though it seems he's getting stronger.
I see what you are getting with this. And if Pinot has lower support stats, it might be just fine like that
I've started a theard a while ago to fuel this kind of discussions.
here is a link to that thread and to the files that are created; https://pcmdaily.c...ost_965364
There is an excel file in there with all the results of the 1.1 and 2.1 and above races (mind you it is 50Mb big!). I have calculated how many points a rider has gotten in what kind of terrain and put that in a big pivot table. If you doubleclick on a rider in the table you get an extra tabsheet with all his results and how they are scored... Do that for all the riders mentioned above and you don't just discuss feelings, but also actual results.
Top 50 rounded mountain stats calculated on 3 years of results;
CyclistName
FLA
MOU
HIL
TT
COB
SPR
ACC
STA
RES
REC
Points
NIBALI Vincenzo
78
83
80
80
73
73
80
81
82
83
87
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro
79
83
83
76
59
73
81
83
83
82
87
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim
77
82
81
74
51
72
80
82
82
81
87
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
75
81
78
76
50
67
76
79
81
82
85
FROOME Chris
79
81
77
81
50
72
76
79
81
82
86
MAJKA Rafal
74
81
79
74
51
71
79
80
80
80
83
PINOT Thibaut
73
81
74
74
53
71
76
79
80
81
83
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto
77
81
80
79
55
72
78
79
81
82
85
MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel
74
80
81
72
50
71
79
80
81
80
84
POZZOVIVO Domenico
74
80
80
75
50
71
77
80
80
81
84
Spoiler
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
77
80
76
79
53
72
75
76
80
81
84
PERAUD Jean-Christophe
76
80
75
76
52
72
75
77
80
81
83
ROCHE Nicolas
73
80
75
73
51
72
77
79
80
80
82
URAN URAN Rigoberto
74
80
79
77
50
71
76
79
80
80
83
PORTE Richie
75
80
75
76
54
71
75
76
80
80
82
MOLLEMA Bauke
77
80
80
74
64
73
79
80
81
80
85
COSTA Rui Alberto Faria
78
80
80
75
53
73
78
80
81
81
84
HORNER Chris
72
80
75
71
51
71
74
76
80
80
82
BARDET Romain
76
80
79
71
53
73
78
79
80
80
83
EVANS Cadel
76
80
79
75
51
72
76
79
80
81
83
SCARPONI Michele
73
80
77
72
51
71
75
79
80
80
81
ROLLAND Pierre
72
80
74
72
51
71
74
75
78
80
81
KÖNIG Leopold
72
80
73
74
52
64
74
75
77
79
80
NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel
73
79
74
71
52
71
74
77
79
79
80
KREUZIGER Roman
74
79
80
74
56
71
76
80
80
80
82
TEN DAM Laurens
72
78
73
72
51
71
74
75
77
79
80
TALANSKY Andrew
74
78
74
74
53
71
73
73
80
80
81
ULISSI Diego
75
78
81
73
52
72
79
80
80
76
83
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel
73
78
77
73
50
71
75
77
79
79
81
ROGERS Michael
75
78
75
73
51
72
75
78
80
80
81
ARU Fabio
71
77
73
72
51
63
73
74
75
77
80
FUGLSANG Jakob
75
77
75
72
73
72
74
74
80
80
81
KISERLOVSKI Robert
72
77
74
71
50
71
74
75
78
79
80
ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor
72
77
75
67
50
69
74
75
77
76
80
KELDERMAN Wilco
75
77
75
74
53
72
74
75
80
80
81
HESJEDAL Ryder
73
76
79
72
50
72
76
79
79
77
81
MARTIN Daniel
74
76
80
67
50
71
76
80
80
78
82
INTXAUSTI ELORRIAGA Beñat
73
76
75
73
51
71
73
75
79
80
81
WIGGINS Bradley
78
76
73
80
73
71
73
74
79
80
82
KANGERT Tanel
73
76
74
74
51
71
73
74
77
79
80
PELLIZOTTI Franco
73
76
78
71
50
68
75
76
79
75
80
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis
73
76
79
72
50
71
75
76
80
79
81
BASSO Ivan
73
76
74
71
50
71
74
75
76
76
80
VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen
73
76
74
71
56
72
73
73
78
79
80
FRANK Mathias
75
76
74
72
51
71
73
74
79
80
81
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel
72
76
72
67
51
61
72
73
75
76
79
CATALDO Dario
72
76
72
74
50
71
73
74
74
73
79
ZUBELDIA AGIRRE Haimar
72
75
73
71
51
71
73
74
76
77
80
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto
74
75
79
71
51
71
75
76
80
79
81
SCHLECK Fränk
72
75
73
60
51
66
73
73
75
75
79
GESINK Robert
75
75
78
72
50
72
75
78
80
79
81
In order to see the differences in detail also the top 50 mountain stats calculated with 2 decimals on 3 years of results;
