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| CountArach |
Posted on 21-08-2013 13:27
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As a spin-off of the Other Races thread, we decided that we needed a thread specifically for U23 races, particlarly with Avenir and the U23 WC coming up.
So here is the parcours for Tour de l'Avenir:
PCS has the start list here:
https://www.procyc...-Startlist
Edited by CountArach on 21-08-2013 13:28
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| CountArach |
Posted on 21-08-2013 13:29
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And here is the summary from Alakagom of some of the interesting riders in l'Avenir:
Alakagom wrote:
Some other intrseting names in the field ( and there's many )
 France brings Alaphilippe ( goes to OPQS next year ). For the U23 ranks he's a solid punchy guy with solid kick. 8th in Tour de l'Ain sprint stage few days ago.
They also bring GC contender in Clément Chevrier. 2nd Tour des Pays de Savoie , 3rd at Giro Valle d'Aosta Mont Blanc and lately impresive 16th at Tour de l'Ain and 2nd in Young Jersey Rankings making him a big threat.
 Caleb Ewan is here to take out the sprints. He should get a stage win somehwere at some point and show off his talent once again.
They also have two favoruites for the opening prologue. Flakemore and Howson ( goes to OGE next year ). Can't split them really, but my bet is Howson to win the prologue.
 Konrad should lead the Austrian team. He'll hope to improve from his 9th place in GC last year.
From the mixed African team, a big talent, Merhawi Kudus ( only 19, from 1994!!!!!). He already finished 17th in Tour de l'Ain few fays ago!! He could well deliver a massive win for African cycling here.
 has Michael Valgren ( Saxo next year), Lasse Normann Hansen ( Garmin next year ) , Magnus Cort Nielsen ( 2 impressive stage wins in Tour of Denmark ). They all are solid riders and should take some results, and they are riders that could well do very well in Avenir.
 Simon Yates ( Avenir stage winner 2011 ) will lead GB in the sprints. He also will have a very good leadout if it comes to full on sprint.
 Cannondale bound Davide Formolo will lead Italian GC aspirations. 2nd at Giro Valle d'Aosta Mont Blanc this year behind Villela, so definitely has talent to do very well.
 Dylan Van Baarle will be hoping to do well in prologue and is good enough to steal a win on the flat stages, from late attack most likely. Van Der Lijke also gives them options on the punchier stages.
Other intresting names are  Toms Skujins, he got plenty of results this year.  Luka Pibernik and Matej Mohoric are two big Slovenian talents alongside Polanc and will hope to deliver as well.
In other words, should be a great race this year.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 21-08-2013 13:31
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Alakagom wrote:
Germany has Dieteren and Zabel for the sprints, Sutterlin for the prologue. Herklotz for the remaining stages, would be bit surprised if he didn't come away without a stage win.
Belgium has De Bie, and as well Jasper Stuyven who should do great in the sprints, shown good form at Utah as well!
One other rider he will challenge him will be Sondre Holst Enger, equally good in sprints and equally good on hilly terrains as Stuyven. Could be intresting battle between those two, I see them taking a stage win both.
From Spain, Barbero will be a threat, both in sprints and on tougher terrains, very similar to the two guys mentioned above actually, but if all goes well Barbero could even surprise in a GC, especially as the stages are very short.
Juan Ernesto Chamorro will lead Colombian charge in GC, good candidate for the overall win.
This is also earlier summary of few riders to keep an eye out.
Should be a great race. Looking forward to it a lot.
Edited by Alakagom on 21-08-2013 13:32
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-08-2013 13:32
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Not to forget an earlier summary of the initial startlist:
Germany has Dieteren and Zabel for the sprints, Sutterlin for the prologue. Herklotz for the remaining stages, would be bit surprised if he didn't come away without a stage win.
Belgium has De Bie, and as well Jasper Stuyven who should dominate the sprints, shown good form at Utah as well!
One other rider he will challenge him will be Sondre Holst Enger, equally good in sprints and equally good on hilly terrains as Stuyven. Could be intresting battle between those two, I see them taking a stage win both.
From Spain, Barbero will be a threat, both in sprints and on tougher terrains, very similar to the two guys mentioned above actually, but if all goes well Barbero could even surprise in a GC, especially as the stages are very short.
Juan Ernesto Chamorro will lead Colombian charge in GC, good candidate for the win.
Talk about being Zabel'd in a post including Zabel 
Edited by cio93 on 21-08-2013 13:33
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 21-08-2013 13:40
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The route looks really exciting. I expect Parra Bustamente to win atleast one of those MTF's
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| CountArach |
Posted on 21-08-2013 13:41
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I'm interested in what Teuns can do in the GC. He was 3rd at the Ronde de l'Isard and was inside the top 10 of every stage. A good result here could net him a spot in one of the Belgian Pro Continental teams next year and then possibly on his way to the WT. Juan Ernesto Chamorro won that race and could be a good tip for the overall but he hasn't really done a lot else this season.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 21-08-2013 13:41
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Spilak23 wrote:
The route looks really exciting. I expect Parra Bustamente to win atleast one of those MTF's
Yes, that could be.
But maybe Parra will have the 'Froome' role at Chamorro, just helping him getting the win. Chamorro is a little better to me, though, and I think also the overall favourite this year.
Also, I tip Kudus to be the surprise for the GC, he did good this season, e.g 2nd in Vuelta Castilla a Léon, but hasn't really made it to the spotlights I think. Not sure how strong his team is though.
Edited by Jesleyh on 21-08-2013 13:51
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-08-2013 13:51
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I guess there's no point in giving my opinion on GC favourites... 
Seriously, interesting to see some new names (for me) that are apparently pretty promising like Chevrier, Vervaeke or Kudus besides the more obvious names Konrad, Chamorro, Formolo or Foliforov.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-08-2013 14:10
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So how about a short breakdown? Correct me if I'm missing some or rating some wrong 
(the order is mostly based on the order of teams in the PCS startlist and doesn't reflect differences in strenght)
| Climbers | Sprinters | Prologue favourites |
| Chevrier | Alaphilippe |  Sütterlin | | Herklotz | Dieteren | Flakemore | | Konrad | Zabel | Howson |  Vervaeke | Ewan | Normann Hansen |  Kudus | Stuyven | Martinelli |  Chamorro |  Barbero | Gougeard | | Parra | Yates | Van Baarle | | Formolo | Doull |  Küng |  Foliforov |  Enger |  Golovash | | Teuns | Van der Lijke | Flaksis | | | Sterobo | | | Phelan |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 21-08-2013 14:17
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Hmm... Van der Lijke is more of a puncheur with just a impressive finishing sprint. But not really hilly stages here, so it's fine to list him as a sprinter. You might want to include Teunissen though, he is in great-form(look at his Tour de Fjords results). Though on the other hand, he seems to do better on very tough stages as well. Hard to say whether he's a sprinter or puncheur again. A bit in between I guess Meh, dumb stage profiles, Y U NO include hilly stages?!
Good list there Cio
Edited by Jesleyh on 21-08-2013 14:18
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| CountArach |
Posted on 21-08-2013 14:22
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Jesleyh wrote:
Hmm... Van der Lijke is more of a puncheur with just a impressive finishing sprint. But not really hilly stages here, so it's fine to list him as a sprinter. You might want to include Teunissen though, he is in great-form(look at his Tour de Fjords results). Though on the other hand, he seems to do better on very tough stages as well. Hard to say whether he's a sprinter or puncheur again. A bit in between I guess Meh, dumb stage profiles, Y U NO include hilly stages?!
Good list there Cio
Stage 1 looks quite well suited to the sort of hard man with a sprint. I'd be thinking about someone like Stuyven there so those guys are definitely in with a chance as well.
EDIT: And yes, thanks cio, that list will be useful as the race progresses.
Edited by CountArach on 21-08-2013 14:23
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 21-08-2013 14:25
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Hmm, stage 1 still looks a bit too flat to me, though I don't know how steep that hill 20km from the end is.
I put my money on stage 3.
Is Tour de L'Avenir actually broadcasted somewhere?
Edit: Oh well, Stage 1 looks waay more interesting on the first post than the PCS profiles. I might swallow my words again
2nd edit: Well, it seems that the PCS profiles aren't accurate then, since more profiles are different. Okay.
Edited by Jesleyh on 21-08-2013 14:27
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| CountArach |
Posted on 21-08-2013 14:29
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Jesleyh wrote:
2nd edit: Well, it seems that the PCS profiles aren't accurate then, since more profiles are different. Okay.
They have the 2012 ones on their website by the look of things.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 21-08-2013 14:31
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CountArach wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
2nd edit: Well, it seems that the PCS profiles aren't accurate then, since more profiles are different. Okay.
They have the 2012 ones on their website by the look of things.
Allright, that should be it.
Well, I like the 2013 profiles better it seems
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-08-2013 14:42
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Thanks guys, I hope that list is slightly useful for guys not familiar with U23 racing as well so they might be able to judge who over- or underperforms.
Stages 1 and 5 are for Herklotz anyway, attack over the top and descent faster than lightning
Edited by cio93 on 21-08-2013 14:43
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| CountArach |
Posted on 21-08-2013 14:45
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cio93 wrote:
Thanks guys, I hope that list is slightly useful for guys not familiar with U23 racing as well so they might be able to judge who over- or underperforms.
Stages 1 and 5 are for Herklotz anyway, attack over the top and descent faster than lightning
No way he will do that. He is a climber now
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 21-08-2013 14:46
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Küng isn't a climber. When he won that Italian U23 race he was in the breakaway and thus got to the finish together with Herklotz.
Is Eisenhart starting for the USA? Seems to be a good climber/TTer.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 21-08-2013 14:50
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The USA is the only team that haven't announced their startlist I think.
Though if they do, it'd be nice if Craddock & Mannion participate, big contenders(especially Craddock) if they would.
I'm not too impressed by Eisenhart's climbing(results) though, he looks more like a TTist with a decent climbing ability.
Edit: Oh, Craddock is in USAPCC it seems.
Edited by Jesleyh on 21-08-2013 14:51
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-08-2013 14:52
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He'd be top favourite indeed, but Craddock is at USAPCC which overlaps with Avenir.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 21-08-2013 14:53
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Yeah, just noticed that.
Shame.
Well, better for you Cio
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