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Doping Amnesty
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 08-09-2012 01:36
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I feel this deserves its own thread. According to cyclingnews (so take it with a grain of salt), McQuaid is talking up the idea of some sort of amnesty program for dopers. No details at all about what that means. That's all that is being said.
My guess is that what it will be is a voluntary turn-yourself-in program. Essentially, you acknowledge what you did, spill the beans, and in return you get to keep your results, with an asterisk of course. My guess as well is that if you get named by another rider, you'll have the option of coming clean for the same reward...
I don't know...I'm not sure I hate the idea all around. I'd have to see what form it ends up taking...At least in general...probably not that awful of an idea. In the US baseball has done a pretty effective job of moving on from its own PED era with the Mitchell Report, where they basically said, here's what happened, no sanctions for anyone involved, now let's move on.
EDIT: Link -> https://www.cyclin...ng-amnesty
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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-09-2012 01:51
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Here is why it potentially wouldn't work:
https://inrng.com/...o-cycling/
I like the idea in principle, and no doubt some would take it up, but any who doped and don't take up the opportunity don't take that same hit to their reputation and are not guaranteed to be caught.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 08-09-2012 02:10
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CountArach wrote:
Here is why it potentially wouldn't work:
https://inrng.com/...o-cycling/
I like the idea in principle, and no doubt some would take it up, but any who doped and don't take up the opportunity don't take that same hit to their reputation and are not guaranteed to be caught.
I disagree, but it would have to be a lot more strong armed than a TaR commission. The idea would be a domino effect. A couple riders take up the offer, and come forward. They name names as part of their admission, and then you'd have to automatically bring up charges against the others named. You'd basically have to do what they do with lawsuits. You have x amount of time to respond to the summons, or you get automatically put down as having doped according the evidence provided. If you do respond, then you could either join the amnesty program or go before an arbitration panel before which you'd have a court case style back and forth between the prosecutors and the defendant. If that, being brought up on charges, was what was automatically guaranteed by being named by another rider, then you'd expect many riders, especially smaller name ones without sponsorship contracts or name recognition, would take the offer to put it behind them, and then the house of cards has officially come down. The big names wouldn't have any place to hide.
I think it could work. Hard to know. It would come down to how silent the world of cycling is willing to remain. I think if the cycling omerta stood up to such a procedure, it could be a death knell for the sport from a casual fan perspective.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-09-2012 02:22
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Deadpool wrote:
I think it could work. Hard to know. It would come down to how silent the world of cycling is willing to remain. I think if the cycling omerta stood up to such a procedure, it could be a death knell for the sport from a casual fan perspective.
Indeed and that's what it would come down to. The omerta has been incredibly pervasive and withstood most things until the last 12 months or so when people are finally willing to come forward and say what happens. In order for it to be effective it would have to be implemented in the next year or so before people revert to old habits of silence.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-09-2012 02:25
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Seems like a good idea, but with too many loopholes.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 08-09-2012 09:34
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lol McQuaid, anything to save his ass. 
This could only work if it was done right. First up, McQuaid should step down from the UCI presidency. And the whole process should be handled by the WADA or a fully renewed UCI. Guess what, it's not going to happen. That not even touching the issue that we don't know if the riders and DSs are up for it, many of them probably aren't.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-09-2012 09:40
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I'm against any sort of amnesty for the likes of McQuaid and Verbrugghen. 
Everyone would confess, ideally. But then what ? What prevents them from doping again or sending their riders to doping doctors (hello Bjarne) ? |
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Posted on 08-09-2012 12:39
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Aquarius wrote:
I'm against any sort of amnesty for the likes of McQuaid and Verbrugghen.
Everyone would confess, ideally. But then what ? What prevents them from doping again or sending their riders to doping doctors (hello Bjarne) ?
Without the culture surrounding it any more, it wouldn't be as easy. Things like the bio passport would work better if fewer names were under suspicion, and presumably exactly how people go about doping, in terms of procuring and then using in a way that avoids detection would now be well known, and better approaches made to counteract them. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-09-2012 13:00
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I think Lance would turn himself in to keep Tour-wins  |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-09-2012 13:13
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Never gonna happen, simple as
As we know McQuaid will say anything if he thinks people will like it
Only hope is if McQuaid is usurped as head of the UCI and someone else steps in that has some real common sense and a love of cycling...
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 08-09-2012 13:29
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I am agreed that it'll almost certainly never happen under McQuaid's watch. I've never known someone more afraid of putting the wrong foot forward, and in explaining why he doesn't do something, almost always manages to put the wrong foot forward.
I have a serious question for you all. Marco Pinotti when he retires. Why says no? He's brilliant, he knows more about the sport then just about everyone else in the world, and people love him. Give me a reason why not?
That said, if we did get someone with some cojones in there, I'm not as down on it as other people seem to be.
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Posted on 09-09-2012 17:33
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Velonews is now reporting that the USADA is backing to concept...even if it doesn't happen at the UCI level, any reason it couldn't happen locally?
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