|
PCM 11 Leisure Camps
|
| GoAmadorGo44 |
Posted on 19-07-2011 00:54
|
Under 23
Posts: 97
Joined: 02-07-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
What exactly is the affect of sending a rider to a leisure camp? Does it only affect morale or also reduce fatigue? |
| |
|
|
| jseadog1 |
Posted on 19-07-2011 00:56
|
Grand Tour Champion
Posts: 9595
Joined: 18-07-2010
PCM$: 13552.00
|
Both
PCM.Daily Survivor Season 2 Fan Favorite Winner
PCM.Daily NFL Fantasy Football Champion: 2012
PCM.Daily NHL Prediction Game Champion: 2013
PCM.Daily NFL Prediction Game Champion: 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2021
|
| |
|
|
| Lachi |
Posted on 19-07-2011 01:54
|
Grand Tour Champion
Posts: 8516
Joined: 29-06-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
As far as I know, it only reduces morale, at least it was like that in previous games. |
| |
|
|
| jseadog1 |
Posted on 19-07-2011 02:07
|
Grand Tour Champion
Posts: 9595
Joined: 18-07-2010
PCM$: 13552.00
|
Lachi wrote:
As far as I know, it only reduces morale, at least it was like that in previous games.
2011 has changed slightly
PCM.Daily Survivor Season 2 Fan Favorite Winner
PCM.Daily NFL Fantasy Football Champion: 2012
PCM.Daily NHL Prediction Game Champion: 2013
PCM.Daily NFL Prediction Game Champion: 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2021
|
| |
|
|
| Iguwell |
Posted on 19-07-2011 16:43
|
Domestique
Posts: 423
Joined: 18-07-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
But as always. It's cheating. |
| |
|
|
| Exa |
Posted on 19-07-2011 17:25
|
Amateur
Posts: 14
Joined: 22-06-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
Iguwell wrote:
But as always. It's cheating.
Why do you say its cheating? |
| |
|
|
| MrDemus |
Posted on 19-07-2011 17:26
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1210
Joined: 13-03-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
Exa wrote:
Iguwell wrote:
But as always. It's cheating.
Why do you say its cheating?
Because AI can't do it = it gives you an advantage over the AI = using cheatcodes for instance
|
| |
|
|
| Ad Bot |
Posted on 23-11-2024 02:04
|
Bot Agent
Posts: Countless
Joined: 23.11.09
|
|
| IP: None |
|
|
| ricotero_uy |
Posted on 19-07-2011 18:14
|
Domestique
Posts: 610
Joined: 21-03-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
One thing I don't understand is why you call cheating to an action that the original game let you take... is not fair for the AI... but it's an action you take in game... it's not editing the database with an editor... it's just using a feature of the game...
I think cheating means mixing the original game with outsider modifications (db editions, re-run 3d races until you get the results etc etc).
If you play in hard or extreme mode... the AI is cheating... because your riders will have their attributes reduced in comparison with the AI riders. |
| |
|
|
| Iguwell |
Posted on 19-07-2011 18:28
|
Domestique
Posts: 423
Joined: 18-07-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
Which is exactly why I play normal difficulty.
If the AI has to beat me it has to be tactically and not because it's cheating.
I agree to some extent with you. It's a mild degree of cheating. But, nonetheless, cheating is what it is. Either the AI should use it. Or we shouldn't.
Editing the DB for your own benefit is a more "serious" cheating of course. I like to play fair and square. And the AI on "normal" is not that hard to beat without these training camps, editing etc.
|
| |
|
|
| Lachi |
Posted on 19-07-2011 18:50
|
Grand Tour Champion
Posts: 8516
Joined: 29-06-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
It is wrong to speak about cheating, just because you cannot cheat in a single player game. Who would you cheat on? Cheating does only apply to multi player games.
But if we forget about the wording, there are several features of the game which are not available to the AI:
- Training camps
- Leisure camp
- Individual training schedules
- Pausing the 3D game
So no matter if one calls them cheats or unfair, everybody has to decide for him-/herself if they want to use them.
I do not use training camps because I could adjust the difficulty setting instead but I use the individual training schedules.
And if I would ever find my riders unhappy, I would use the leisure camp because as far as I know there is no other way to get them happy again. Performing well is almost impossible for an unhappy rider and the cannot train and participate in races during that time, so it is a trade-off.
I use the season planner (obviously) and even if that means altering the career I don't consider it to be unfair or a cheat. |
| |
|
|
| Iguwell |
Posted on 19-07-2011 19:18
|
Domestique
Posts: 423
Joined: 18-07-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
Yes, you can cheat in single player.
You cheat yourself since the prestige in your achievements is gone after using in og out of game exploits.
And I don't think Pausing is a cheat. The AI does everything automatically, which is inhuman. The only way to weigh up for this is to take your time. The game proceeds much faster than real life cycling, so of course it is necessary to stop and get an overview.
I don't know what the season planner is. But the in-game feature to plan a rider's shape is brilliant IMO. You just need to make som schedules and places the riders so 9 are available for each GT. |
| |
|
|
| Lachi |
Posted on 19-07-2011 20:31
|
Grand Tour Champion
Posts: 8516
Joined: 29-06-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
You cannot cheat yourself but you can lie to yourself. The problem starts, if you believe your own lies. So why not telling yourself that pausing is OK but using the camps is not. |
| |
|
|
| ricotero_uy |
Posted on 19-07-2011 20:47
|
Domestique
Posts: 610
Joined: 21-03-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
It's always up to you.
"Play Hard Go Pro" says the phrase... but cyanide gives people to use or not the training camps.
Lot of teams go in the winter to wind tunnels to improve their timetrial skills... and it really helps... but of course... that is nothing compared to in game camps.
It should be like an investment in holidays... pay X amount of money to send X riders to a wind tunnel or go to a mountain camp to improve their recovery or something like that... that really happens.
But not increase magically their skills and after sometime just lose them. I dont use them... so actually i dont know how they are working now in PCM 2011. |
| |
|
|
| Iguwell |
Posted on 19-07-2011 22:59
|
Domestique
Posts: 423
Joined: 18-07-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
Pausing is not cheating as it doesn't give you any advantage over the AI. |
| |
|
|
| Rammus |
Posted on 19-07-2011 23:33
|
Stagiare
Posts: 223
Joined: 08-07-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
Iguwell wrote:
Pausing is not cheating as it doesn't give you any advantage over the AI.
I was just about to point this out, I think you should omit this from your list Lachi. The AI has ~0 response time where as humans have way more, however pausing reduces this quite a bit. But yeah without pausing the AI actually have an advantage not the other way around ! |
| |
|
|
| Lachi |
Posted on 20-07-2011 03:44
|
Grand Tour Champion
Posts: 8516
Joined: 29-06-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
It did not say that you get an advantage, I just pointed out the functions which are not available to the AI.
Everybody is free to use all the functions offered by the game. All of them help you win the races. If you think that some of them are unfair, cheating, or whatever you call it, then keep it to yourself and don't accuse others. |
| |
|
