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| Naxela |
Posted on 10-04-2015 00:51
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kissaha wrote:
Regarding Kristoff I would just boost his flat, cob and stamina with 1 or 2 points. That should make him good enough.
FL80 - HI73 - COB79 - SPR80 - ACC79 - STA82 - RES75
I like how you lowered his Hil stat, he isn't 74 for me. But isn't he already the sprinter with the most stamina ingame or does Sagan got higher? Else i agree with everything you said (maybe wait with the COB stats untill after roubaix) and also a small TT upgrade, he performed exellent in De Panne.
Edited by Naxela on 10-04-2015 00:52
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| Naxela |
Posted on 10-04-2015 01:06
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TankNL wrote:
Morganho wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Definitely close to what I had in mind.
Bit more FL maybe.
Will have to await Roubaix though, for more accuracy 
I'm more inclined to give him more of a Van Avermaet skillset (higher hills, lower flat compared to other cobble specialists). But yeah let's see how he does in Roubaix.
Also, Fabio Felline has been hot lately. I'm thinking:
MO 71
HI 74/75
TT 68
PR 74
SP 74
ACC 75
What do you reckon?
looked him up in my stats. I have him on;
| CyclistName | FLA | MOU | HIL | TT | PRO | COB | SPR | ACC | DWN | FTR | STA | RES | REC | POP | | BENOOT | 74 | 58 | 62 | 56 | 50 | 76 | 68 | 70 | 74 | 71 | 70 | 74 | 59 | 24 |
62 on Benoot would make him drop on paterberg, i would have him close 68-70 and about 75 on flat and raise his stamina some (I am terrible on setting the right stamina, but i would think he deserve higher than 70, although hes young).
Edited by Naxela on 10-04-2015 01:07
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 10-04-2015 04:43
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Naxela wrote:
kissaha wrote:
Regarding Kristoff I would just boost his flat, cob and stamina with 1 or 2 points. That should make him good enough.
FL80 - HI73 - COB79 - SPR80 - ACC79 - STA82 - RES75
I like how you lowered his Hil stat, he isn't 74 for me. But isn't he already the sprinter with the most stamina ingame or does Sagan got higher? Else i agree with everything you said (maybe wait with the COB stats untill after roubaix) and also a small TT upgrade, he performed exellent in De Panne.
He didn't lower the hill stat of Kristoff because he was already 73 in PCM Daily Expansion pack. I think you were talking of the newest DB of Jesley because Kristoff got 74 hill. AS for the stats FL 80 it's too high 79 is better. The sprint stat needs to be higher like 81 and the STA is too high at 82. If he gets too much stats upgrade he'll be too much powerful though. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 10-04-2015 04:48
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Naxela wrote:
TankNL wrote:
Morganho wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Definitely close to what I had in mind.
Bit more FL maybe.
Will have to await Roubaix though, for more accuracy
I'm more inclined to give him more of a Van Avermaet skillset (higher hills, lower flat compared to other cobble specialists). But yeah let's see how he does in Roubaix.
Also, Fabio Felline has been hot lately. I'm thinking:
MO 71
HI 74/75
TT 68
PR 74
SP 74
ACC 75
What do you reckon?
looked him up in my stats. I have him on;
| CyclistName | FLA | MOU | HIL | TT | PRO | COB | SPR | ACC | DWN | FTR | STA | RES | REC | POP | | BENOOT | 74 | 58 | 62 | 56 | 50 | 76 | 68 | 70 | 74 | 71 | 70 | 74 | 59 | 24 |
62 on Benoot would make him drop on paterberg, i would have him close 68-70 and about 75 on flat and raise his stamina some (I am terrible on setting the right stamina, but i would think he deserve higher than 70, although hes young).
Quite frankly this stats is not accurate because 56 flat and he'll be in the red quickly on flat stages. Sprint is too high at 71 maybe 65 or 66 and mountain as well is too low at 50 I don't think that most sprinters are better in mountain. Hill should be 71 or 72 |
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 10-04-2015 17:42
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TankNL wrote:
looked him up in my stats. I have him on;
| CyclistName | FLA | MOU | HIL | TT | PRO | COB | SPR | ACC | DWN | FTR | STA | RES | REC | POP | | BENOOT | 74 | 58 | 62 | 56 | 50 | 76 | 68 | 70 | 74 | 71 | 70 | 74 | 59 | 24 |
Lol, 62 in HIL. Why?
Before turning pro, some of his biggest results were in hilly races. E.g. his 5th place in LBL U21. 62 is just ridiculous.
Edited by MartijnVDD on 10-04-2015 17:42
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| matt17br |
Posted on 10-04-2015 19:22
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@Martijn, read this please: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....st_1048238
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 10-04-2015 20:04
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@matt So his hill is worse than Kittel ...  |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 10-04-2015 20:43
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
@matt So his hill is worse than Kittel ...
His hill should be higher than kittel imo |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 10-04-2015 20:56
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Morganho wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Hill 73 sounds a bit too much though, I haven't seen him do amazing stuff on the hills yet. Stamina could be a bit higher in my opinion. He seems to find new strenght when the finishline approaches.
It's just that he had some good results in hillier classics before turning pro, my feeling is that he's more of a Van Avermaet kinda rider than a Boonen/Vanmarcke rider. I might be wrong though, he is pretty tall so he probably won't have the explosiveness to be a great hills rider as a pro.
Well he could end up being like Edwig Van Hooydonck who was very tall and won two Tour of Flanders and also managed to once finish last I think in the Tour. He was pretty powerful on hills but no good at climbing mountains.
Or on the other hand Benoot could be like a Ballan who is tall and skinny, but I don't really know Benoot's height to weight ratio to properly compare.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 10-04-2015 20:57
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 10-04-2015 20:59
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Morganho wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Hill 73 sounds a bit too much though, I haven't seen him do amazing stuff on the hills yet. Stamina could be a bit higher in my opinion. He seems to find new strenght when the finishline approaches.
It's just that he had some good results in hillier classics before turning pro, my feeling is that he's more of a Van Avermaet kinda rider than a Boonen/Vanmarcke rider. I might be wrong though, he is pretty tall so he probably won't have the explosiveness to be a great hills rider as a pro.
Well he could end up being like Edwig Van Hooydonck who was very tall and won two Tour of Flanders and also managed to once finish last I think in the Tour. He was pretty powerful on hills but no good at climbing mountains.
Or on the other hand Benoot could be like a Ballan who is tall and skinny, but I don't really know Benoot's height to weight ratio to properly compare.
Tiesj Benoot
Height: 1.90m
Weight: 72kg
he has the same height and weight as ballan. He's maybe the new ballan
Edited by fidjim2013 on 10-04-2015 21:01
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 10-04-2015 21:00
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Morganho wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Hill 73 sounds a bit too much though, I haven't seen him do amazing stuff on the hills yet. Stamina could be a bit higher in my opinion. He seems to find new strenght when the finishline approaches.
It's just that he had some good results in hillier classics before turning pro, my feeling is that he's more of a Van Avermaet kinda rider than a Boonen/Vanmarcke rider. I might be wrong though, he is pretty tall so he probably won't have the explosiveness to be a great hills rider as a pro.
Well he could end up being like Edwig Van Hooydonck who was very tall and won two Tour of Flanders and also managed to once finish last I think in the Tour. He was pretty powerful on hills but no good at climbing mountains.
Or on the other hand Benoot could be like a Ballan who is tall and skinny, but I don't really know Benoot's height to weight ratio to properly compare.
Benoot can handle long climbs quite well. His only weak area is TT'ing at the minute.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 10-04-2015 21:04
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fidjim2013 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
Morganho wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Hill 73 sounds a bit too much though, I haven't seen him do amazing stuff on the hills yet. Stamina could be a bit higher in my opinion. He seems to find new strenght when the finishline approaches.
It's just that he had some good results in hillier classics before turning pro, my feeling is that he's more of a Van Avermaet kinda rider than a Boonen/Vanmarcke rider. I might be wrong though, he is pretty tall so he probably won't have the explosiveness to be a great hills rider as a pro.
Well he could end up being like Edwig Van Hooydonck who was very tall and won two Tour of Flanders and also managed to once finish last I think in the Tour. He was pretty powerful on hills but no good at climbing mountains.
Or on the other hand Benoot could be like a Ballan who is tall and skinny, but I don't really know Benoot's height to weight ratio to properly compare.
Tiesj Benoot
Height: 1.90m
Weight: 72kg
Height:
Wow that is exactly the same as Ballan according to wiki:
Alessandro Ballan
Height: 1.90m
Weight: 72kg (even though he is 68kg on his page)
Ballan was a great rider and had no real sprint to speak of but still managed to win the Tour of Flanders in 2007. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 10-04-2015 21:07
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[/pcstats]Tafiolmo wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
Morganho wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Hill 73 sounds a bit too much though, I haven't seen him do amazing stuff on the hills yet. Stamina could be a bit higher in my opinion. He seems to find new strenght when the finishline approaches.
It's just that he had some good results in hillier classics before turning pro, my feeling is that he's more of a Van Avermaet kinda rider than a Boonen/Vanmarcke rider. I might be wrong though, he is pretty tall so he probably won't have the explosiveness to be a great hills rider as a pro.
Well he could end up being like Edwig Van Hooydonck who was very tall and won two Tour of Flanders and also managed to once finish last I think in the Tour. He was pretty powerful on hills but no good at climbing mountains.
Or on the other hand Benoot could be like a Ballan who is tall and skinny, but I don't really know Benoot's height to weight ratio to properly compare.
Tiesj Benoot
Height: 1.90m
Weight: 72kg
Height:
Wow that is exactly the same as Ballan according to wiki:
Alessandro Ballan
Height: 1.90m
Weight: 72kg (even though he is 68kg on his page)
Ballan was a great rider and had no real sprint to speak of but still managed to win the Tour of Flanders in 2007. \
Maybe benoot as a future as a classicman if he train hard. |
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| kissaha |
Posted on 11-04-2015 01:01
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fidjim2013 wrote:
Naxela wrote:
kissaha wrote:
Regarding Kristoff I would just boost his flat, cob and stamina with 1 or 2 points. That should make him good enough.
FL80 - HI73 - COB79 - SPR80 - ACC79 - STA82 - RES75
I like how you lowered his Hil stat, he isn't 74 for me. But isn't he already the sprinter with the most stamina ingame or does Sagan got higher? Else i agree with everything you said (maybe wait with the COB stats untill after roubaix) and also a small TT upgrade, he performed exellent in De Panne.
He didn't lower the hill stat of Kristoff because he was already 73 in PCM Daily Expansion pack. I think you were talking of the newest DB of Jesley because Kristoff got 74 hill. AS for the stats FL 80 it's too high 79 is better. The sprint stat needs to be higher like 81 and the STA is too high at 82. If he gets too much stats upgrade he'll be too much powerful though.
I don't think he deserves 81 SPR. His sprints are LOOOONG, and that is what the high flat stat represents, he has a massive engine, which is also why he did so well at the ITT in de Panne. Regarding his cobble stat, I kinda agree that 79 might be too high, but it is very difficult to win in Flandern in PCM with 78 COB, unless it is a bunch sprint. Kristoffs main skill is his stamina, and therefore a stat of 82 is deserved imo. He has the best stamina in the peloton, not that the stat matters that much anyways, but I think it should be reflected. |
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| kissaha |
Posted on 11-04-2015 01:01
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fidjim2013 wrote:
Naxela wrote:
kissaha wrote:
Regarding Kristoff I would just boost his flat, cob and stamina with 1 or 2 points. That should make him good enough.
FL80 - HI73 - COB79 - SPR80 - ACC79 - STA82 - RES75
I like how you lowered his Hil stat, he isn't 74 for me. But isn't he already the sprinter with the most stamina ingame or does Sagan got higher? Else i agree with everything you said (maybe wait with the COB stats untill after roubaix) and also a small TT upgrade, he performed exellent in De Panne.
He didn't lower the hill stat of Kristoff because he was already 73 in PCM Daily Expansion pack. I think you were talking of the newest DB of Jesley because Kristoff got 74 hill. AS for the stats FL 80 it's too high 79 is better. The sprint stat needs to be higher like 81 and the STA is too high at 82. If he gets too much stats upgrade he'll be too much powerful though.
I don't think he deserves 81 SPR. His sprints are LOOOONG, and that is what the high flat stat represents, he has a massive engine, which is also why he did so well at the ITT in de Panne. Regarding his cobble stat, I kinda agree that 79 might be too high, but it is very difficult to win in Flandern in PCM with 78 COB, unless it is a bunch sprint. Kristoffs main skill is his stamina, and therefore a stat of 82 is deserved imo. He has the best stamina in the peloton, not that the stat matters that much anyways, but I think it should be reflected. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 11-04-2015 01:20
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kissaha wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Naxela wrote:
kissaha wrote:
Regarding Kristoff I would just boost his flat, cob and stamina with 1 or 2 points. That should make him good enough.
FL80 - HI73 - COB79 - SPR80 - ACC79 - STA82 - RES75
I like how you lowered his Hil stat, he isn't 74 for me. But isn't he already the sprinter with the most stamina ingame or does Sagan got higher? Else i agree with everything you said (maybe wait with the COB stats untill after roubaix) and also a small TT upgrade, he performed exellent in De Panne.
He didn't lower the hill stat of Kristoff because he was already 73 in PCM Daily Expansion pack. I think you were talking of the newest DB of Jesley because Kristoff got 74 hill. AS for the stats FL 80 it's too high 79 is better. The sprint stat needs to be higher like 81 and the STA is too high at 82. If he gets too much stats upgrade he'll be too much powerful though.
I don't think he deserves 81 SPR. His sprints are LOOOONG, and that is what the high flat stat represents, he has a massive engine, which is also why he did so well at the ITT in de Panne. Regarding his cobble stat, I kinda agree that 79 might be too high, but it is very difficult to win in Flandern in PCM with 78 COB, unless it is a bunch sprint. Kristoffs main skill is his stamina, and therefore a stat of 82 is deserved imo. He has the best stamina in the peloton, not that the stat matters that much anyways, but I think it should be reflected.
Kristoff deserve 81 because he doesn't have a high acceleration and the sprint at 81 will cover his lack of ACC. The reason why kristoff always starts his sprint early is because he doesn't have a fast leadout like the giant alpecin team that drops kittel for the sprint when there's only 300m left. But for the Cobble stats I never said it was too high because at 79 it would be better and like you said it's kinda hard to win flanders with only 78 and it also depends of the level of difficulty you are playing in the game. AT 80 in flat it would be too high because he would be among best like tony martin. 82 in stamina isn't deserved because it only works for 1 week stages and grand tour. |
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| kissaha |
Posted on 11-04-2015 08:06
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Stamina doesn't affect neither stage races or grand tours, it is recuperation you're thinking of. Stamina is how well a rider copes with long distances, in other words stages over 200 kms long. Kristoff has had his best results in races which are over 200 kms long. So therefore I think 82 STA reflects his abilities. Regarding his sprinting, he doesn't start his sprint that early because he has to, but because he can actually hold his sprint that long, it has nothing to do with his leadout. |
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| Den_Titts |
Posted on 11-04-2015 09:41
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MartijnVDD wrote:
TankNL wrote:
looked him up in my stats. I have him on;
| CyclistName | FLA | MOU | HIL | TT | PRO | COB | SPR | ACC | DWN | FTR | STA | RES | REC | POP | | BENOOT | 74 | 58 | 62 | 56 | 50 | 76 | 68 | 70 | 74 | 71 | 70 | 74 | 59 | 24 |
Lol, 62 in HIL. Why?
Before turning pro, some of his biggest results were in hilly races. E.g. his 5th place in LBL U21. 62 is just ridiculous.
58 MOU and 62 Hil are ridicoulos.
He managed last year to become 5th in LBL u27 and 3th in Tour de l'isard (pyrinees)
So i think 69 Mou en 73 Hil would be better stats for him  |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 11-04-2015 09:47
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@Den, again, please read this: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....st_1048238
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 11-04-2015 19:35
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kissaha wrote:
Stamina doesn't affect neither stage races or grand tours, it is recuperation you're thinking of. Stamina is how well a rider copes with long distances, in other words stages over 200 kms long. Kristoff has had his best results in races which are over 200 kms long. So therefore I think 82 STA reflects his abilities. Regarding his sprinting, he doesn't start his sprint that early because he has to, but because he can actually hold his sprint that long, it has nothing to do with his leadout.
Yea you're right I made a mistake right here, but don't forget that kristoff is really fast as a sprinter and he showed better results this year as a sprinter than guys like arnaud demare, nacer bouhanni and andre greipel. That's why I think he deserve 81 just 2 behind kittel in sprint is good because if you remembered in the tour last year he did contest with kittel for some stages.
Edited by fidjim2013 on 11-04-2015 19:38
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