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| Anderis |
Posted on 03-09-2014 19:45
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Some claim Gesink isn't explosive, but won some hilly classics in his career, didn't he? I'm not an expert, so please explain me, how is that possible. |
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| Dusen |
Posted on 03-09-2014 19:50
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Posted on 03-09-2014 19:51
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I dont think he ever has (not sure), but you dont necessarily have to be explosive to win classics, take Andy Schlecks victory in Liege as an example. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 03-09-2014 19:59
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Another stupid attack by martin honestly. Again eh was obviously strong but the attack was futile, and to not realize that and keep pushing on in the wind is even worse. i can't help thinking that with his kick and the obvious power he had today that eh could have won or podiumed if he had just stayed put. i like his aggressive riding, but part of being good at that is knowing when it just isn't working.
Still a good ride. He barely lost anytime, and finished behind pretty much everybody i expected, with Sanchez.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 03-09-2014 20:02
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Riis123 wrote:
I dont think he ever has (not sure), but you dont necessarily have to be explosive to win classics, take Andy Schlecks victory in Liege as an example.
Quebec and Montreal (only rider to have won both  )
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 03-09-2014 20:32
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@Riis: Gesink's attack was not stupid at all, he anticipated on the favorites coming back and by that time his main concurrents were already dropped so he gained time one them. If he stayed in the peloton he would've been dropped eventually and not gain time on his concurrents. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 03-09-2014 20:32
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
I dont think he ever has (not sure), but you dont necessarily have to be explosive to win classics, take Andy Schlecks victory in Liege as an example.
Quebec and Montreal (only rider to have won both )
Oh damn, I only thought about the ardennes. But tbh there aren't the strongest field there, so.. |
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| Anderis |
Posted on 03-09-2014 20:35
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
I dont think he ever has (not sure), but you dont necessarily have to be explosive to win classics, take Andy Schlecks victory in Liege as an example.
Quebec and Montreal (only rider to have won both )
Also 2 times Giro dell'Emilia winner, which was quite highly rated race few years ago IIRC. |
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| Roextro |
Posted on 03-09-2014 20:38
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Another stupid attack by martin honestly. Again eh was obviously strong but the attack was futile, and to not realize that and keep pushing on in the wind is even worse. i can't help thinking that with his kick and the obvious power he had today that eh could have won or podiumed if he had just stayed put. i like his aggressive riding, but part of being good at that is knowing when it just isn't working.
Still a good ride. He barely lost anytime, and finished behind pretty much everybody i expected, with Sanchez.
Agreed, he needs to attack at time when the group stalls, kind of like Aru today. |
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| Anderis |
Posted on 03-09-2014 20:44
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Another stupid attack by martin honestly. Again eh was obviously strong but the attack was futile, and to not realize that and keep pushing on in the wind is even worse. i can't help thinking that with his kick and the obvious power he had today that eh could have won or podiumed if he had just stayed put. i like his aggressive riding, but part of being good at that is knowing when it just isn't working.
Don't be so harsh on him. There was quite a bit of hesitation in the main group. A bit of more and he would've been free to end up 2nd on a stage. You never know before you try.
Also he attacked at the time when many of his potential GC rivals were barely able to hang onto the group. It was a right thing to pick up the pace, either to ride away or cause some acceleration so these riders would be dropped and couldn't wheelsuck for any longer. |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 03-09-2014 20:51
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Riis123 wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
I dont think he ever has (not sure), but you dont necessarily have to be explosive to win classics, take Andy Schlecks victory in Liege as an example.
Quebec and Montreal (only rider to have won both )
Oh damn, I only thought about the ardennes. But tbh there aren't the strongest field there, so..
He beated Vichot,Van Avermaet,Sagan etc. on Quebec last year on an uphill sprint.So he's explosive as well
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 03-09-2014 22:53
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Dusen wrote:
Too truly love cycling, one must love all aspects.
Even the once great Ardennes classics, that have now been reduced to the peloton riding like a train until the final climb?
I also think that these attacks with just 1.5km on mtn stages quite boring as well, not bad now and again but it hardly makes for epic cycling.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 03-09-2014 22:55
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Then simply just watch that last climb and do not complain.
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| Dusen |
Posted on 03-09-2014 22:57
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Too truly love cycling, one must love all aspects.
Even the once great Ardennes classics, that have now been reduced to the peloton riding like a train until the final climb?
I also think that these attacks with just 1.5km on mtn stages quite boring as well, not bad now and again but it hardly makes for epic cycling.
They ride to win not to entertain. Sometimes tactics are a boring affaris other times it's a blast to watch. |
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Posted on 03-09-2014 22:59
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Dusen wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Too truly love cycling, one must love all aspects.
Even the once great Ardennes classics, that have now been reduced to the peloton riding like a train until the final climb?
I also think that these attacks with just 1.5km on mtn stages quite boring as well, not bad now and again but it hardly makes for epic cycling.
They ride to win not to entertain. Sometimes tactics are a boring affaris other times it's a blast to watch.
I know this as Gerrans proved exactly this in the MSR and the LBL, which is why it's great to have a game like PCM to make the races as exciting as they should be. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 04-09-2014 02:08
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Anderis wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Another stupid attack by martin honestly. Again eh was obviously strong but the attack was futile, and to not realize that and keep pushing on in the wind is even worse. i can't help thinking that with his kick and the obvious power he had today that eh could have won or podiumed if he had just stayed put. i like his aggressive riding, but part of being good at that is knowing when it just isn't working.
Don't be so harsh on him. There was quite a bit of hesitation in the main group. A bit of more and he would've been free to end up 2nd on a stage. You never know before you try.
Also he attacked at the time when many of his potential GC rivals were barely able to hang onto the group. It was a right thing to pick up the pace, either to ride away or cause some acceleration so these riders would be dropped and couldn't wheelsuck for any longer.
I don't knock him for trying rthe move. But I think it was a bad call once Katusha upped the pace and he was surely not getting the gap to keep pushing and basically frying himself.
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| Movistar |
Posted on 04-09-2014 02:22
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Just got to watch the last 10km and thus the last climb. WTF was Sky doing? They know Froome wasnt at his best and yet blew up their two best domestiques at the start. After Froome cracked Cataldo slowed down of course and the attacks started. If they had kept those two based on how Froome came back they would have done much better. I guess Froome's dope wasnt working as they thought until later on.
Martin looked good though I know he couldnt sustain it, but god are his teeth the worst I have ever seen.
Froome is a joke and the worst doper in the history of the sport.
Aru is awesome, did he even have a team member from the bottom of the climb?
Finally if Quintana would have stayed on his bike in the TT this GT would have been amazing, though I think the mountain stages are actually pretty terrible this year, having all of those guys plus Aru, Uran, Martin and a few others climbing together is just awesome.
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 04-09-2014 05:58
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Lol @movistar: I noticed his teeth aswell, he has never seen a dentist I guess.. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 04-09-2014 07:01
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ruben wrote:
So we should accept a boring sport. No sorry, I'm not game for that.
Besides Froome (in top form) and Quintana, and Nibali have shown you can make substantially big gaps from far out. So I disagree completely with you.
People who like and applaud 1,5km attacks don't love the sport or simple like wheelsucking appearently
Strange to agree with Ruben, but i do. 
Agressive cycling for the win, we dont need peloton full of Puritos
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| matt17br |
Posted on 04-09-2014 08:42
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ruben wrote:
So we should accept a boring sport. No sorry, I'm not game for that.
Besides Froome (in top form) and Quintana, and Nibali have shown you can make substantially big gaps from far out. So I disagree completely with you.
People who like and applaud 1,5km attacks don't love the sport or simple like wheelsucking appearently
No one was in the best shape, so no one attacked.
Aru was the best tactically because he attacked in the right point.
You say that cycling is becoming a boring sport and bla bla bla.
Until someone attacks and wins I will always be happy. Cycling is boring WHEN no one attacks (and still boring is an exaggerated word).
Aru isn't as good as Nibali or Quintana to attack 6-7 km to go, so he does the best tactically for him.
And saying that people applauds 1.5 attacks don't love the sport is a blasphemy. Would you better applaud stage wins without attacks?
And, Avin, everyone wants an as-exciting-as-possible cycling. But if I were a cyclist and if I weren't a Pantani/Contador I'd prefer attacking 1.5 km to go and winning instead of attacking let's say 8 km to go without doing nothing.
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