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TdF'13 Stage 18 - Gap to Alpe-d'Huez (July 18)
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-07-2013 19:59
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I always think i go faster with beer. But then i look at my km/h-monitor and realise i've been going 10km slower...  |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:29
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ruben wrote:
I always think i go faster with beer. But then i look at my km/h-monitor and realise i've been going 10km slower...
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:35
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Really bummed about TVG. Riblon looked so fresh.
I have to think that if he hadn't had a mechanical and hadn't gone so early, then he would have won.
Also, I think that Froome and Porte should get huge penalties, way more than 20 seconds. Not only do they dope now, but they blatantly cheat without even caring. Like the rules don't apply to them. Ridiculous.
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:41
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Really bummed about TVG. Riblon looked so fresh.
I have to think that if he hadn't had a mechanical and hadn't gone so early, then he would have won.
Also, I think that Froome and Porte should get huge penalties, way more than 20 seconds. Not only do they dope now, but they blatantly cheat without even caring. Like the rules don't apply to them. Ridiculous.
It was arrogant aswell, like as if SKY can do anything they want and the rules don't apply to them indeed. But you don't know if they dope or not. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-07-2013 20:59
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ianrussell wrote:
CountArach wrote:
@ianrussell - yeah definitely, I took that as a good sign.
Also Quintana's power output was higher than the 6.00W/kg quoted earlier because that was based on a different weight.
I'm not an expert by any means but I think the the advantage of being lighter going uphill means that, roughly speaking, the W/Kg figure is balanced out by a a heavier rider carrying up more mass. Please correct me if I'm wrong as it wouldn't be the first or last time 
Certainly I'd trust Vetoo to provide the most accurate method in due course though.
Excert from a recent Science of Sport piece:
...mass matters in mountains. Climbers don't want to carry weight, because at the same power output (say, 400W - follow the blue line up) the estimated time is around 1 min faster for the 64kg rider. That's why relative power output matters - with some fineprint, it's the power output produced per kilogram that tells in the mountains. That 400W performance corresponds to 6.25 W/kg for the 64kg rider, whereas it's only 5.7 W/kg for the 70kg rider.
In order for the 70kg rider to match the 64kg, he'd need a similar relative power output (6.25 W/kg), which corresponds to around 435 W.
W/kg matter when climbing, whereas W/m² matter on the flat.
When you think kg, you think of the rider's weight, and that's how they're given, but what really determines how fast they climb is the whole weight of the rider + bike + equipment. As all bikes weigh the same, and equipment more or less too, heavier riders are slightly favoured for a given W / body kg figure. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 18-07-2013 21:36
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Really bummed about TVG. Riblon looked so fresh.
I have to think that if he hadn't had a mechanical and hadn't gone so early, then he would have won.
Also, I think that Froome and Porte should get huge penalties, way more than 20 seconds. Not only do they dope now, but they blatantly cheat without even caring. Like the rules don't apply to them. Ridiculous.
Except the rules did apply to them and they were penalised 20 seconds and fined. If you want a harsher penalty for all (or just for someone that annoys you?) then fair enough but that would have to be in place before applying it?
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| spudde |
Posted on 18-07-2013 21:44
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Interesting finish. It seemed to me when Porte dropped from Froome's group that he was just rolling around without even pushing it, and then later he easily caught Froome's group again when he needed him.
Contador on the other hand seemed to be totally dead the entire climb. |
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| aymen |
Posted on 18-07-2013 21:48
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Great stage
Lol I've done some posts recently that was in the purpose of laughing at the anti-froome people but in reality yes i'm a fan but i don't want to discuss doping
Therefore i want someone to explain what froome did today and what's this penality
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 18-07-2013 21:50
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aymen wrote:
Therefore i want someone to explain what froome did today and what's this penality
He bonked and he recieved a penality because he took food when it wasn't allowed
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 18-07-2013 21:51
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Yeah, Froome attacked before Porte was empty. I actually though they were trying to get a Porte win at one point.
EDIT: He didn't Bonk, but was concerned he was going to bonk. Lots of guys bonked today, they had time to have gel but didn't recover to same pace. Froome lost 1 minute waiting for the gel and that was all he lost. So it was bonk prevention rather then cure, Maybe a mini-bonk. XD
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 18-07-2013 21:59
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Ian Butler wrote:
So what if we always use CPL? The above calculations mean that it isn't really an exact science, so basing arguments on it is far from waterproof.
It's an estimation. A particularly big range across the different methods for Quintana in this particular case and the only way to be sure of a definitive number is to get hold of the SRM of course. That's always the case.
Also I would contend that the number alone should never condemn or exonerate anyway (even the SRM fle - ok if it's ridiculous maybe so but in normal circumstances), especially for isolated climbs, it should inform a debate.
Edited by ianrussell on 18-07-2013 22:08
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 22:03
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aymen wrote:
Great stage
Lol I've done some posts recently that was in the purpose of laughing at the anti-froome people but in reality yes i'm a fan but i don't want to discuss doping
Therefore i want someone to explain what froome did today and what's this penality
You aren't supposed to take food or water in the last 20 km. But he forgot to eat so he decided to cheat and send Porte back for food.
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| arthon |
Posted on 18-07-2013 22:07
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Could somebody pinpoint the last Alpe d'Huez "clean" performance & climbing time? (maybe from the 80s) |
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 18-07-2013 22:07
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TimoCycling wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Really bummed about TVG. Riblon looked so fresh.
I have to think that if he hadn't had a mechanical and hadn't gone so early, then he would have won.
Also, I think that Froome and Porte should get huge penalties, way more than 20 seconds. Not only do they dope now, but they blatantly cheat without even caring. Like the rules don't apply to them. Ridiculous.
It was arrogant aswell, like as if SKY can do anything they want and the rules don't apply to them indeed. But you don't know if they dope or not .
That's not fair imo. The rules do apply to them, otherwise they wouldn't be punished, would they? This rule is fairly commonly broken, it just doesn't happen to occur many times in front of a camera iirc.
And what about the public today? I don't think I've ever seen so many people in a cycling race. But the behaviour was really poor. I can recall 4 near-falls due to spectators.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 18-07-2013 22:14
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what was this about a "dangerous" decent. I wonder how many riders crashed/missed a corner
Spoiler only 1: Riblon unless my information is wrong
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| Farmer Sam |
Posted on 18-07-2013 22:22
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Poly Peletons close up of the illegal feed hahaha. (
https://polypeloto...ot.co.uk/)
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| Rin |
Posted on 18-07-2013 22:37
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I wonder if the Taiwanese animated news channel takes that one up with their own gusto what happened there.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 18-07-2013 22:56
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Updated top 200 for Alpe D'Huez after today's stage.
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| Roman |
Posted on 19-07-2013 00:17
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Guido Mukk wrote:
do you noticed that he also get droped early
alexkr00 wrote:
Kreuziger was dropped before Contador
Well, I haven't seen the stage so far, highlights neither as well, but as I see, yeah Guido, I noticed that, thanks you alex! 
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 19-07-2013 01:56
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Also, I think that Froome and Porte should get huge penalties, way more than 20 seconds. Not only do they dope now, but they blatantly cheat without even caring. Like the rules don't apply to them. Ridiculous.
only 20 seconds?
they'd have lost more than that if Froome wouldn't have gotten illegal food
and lol at Porte giving that spectator a dirty look after running through the flag
you'd have seen it if you hadn't gone back to the team car (illegal at that point) and missed it
though suddenly Sky's 'marginal gains' makes sense, they're taking on food MUCH later than everyone else (didn't they take on food with 10km to go on Ventoux as well?)
and Paul Sherwin, PLEASE stop telling people thjat AndySchleck is a good descender (first in the TT, and now off the ColDeSorrenne) it's embarasing now
Edited by samdiatmh on 19-07-2013 02:02
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