TimoCycling wrote:
I'm not talking about that echelon stage anymore, we won't agree anyways. And 7 minutes in 25km was never reachable, and they only rode 2mins away on the flat so no, not reachable.
Of course it wasnt out of reach. Would you stop yourself, please? Seems like youre just pissed that Belkin chokes when it really matters
No, i'm not pissed at all, this is where they should be and it's a pity they couldn't continue it, but their riding has impressed me so far.
And how can you say it's reachable with TVG and Riblon in front? Come on...
you shouldn't even reply to this guy. there is a reason behind him wishing someone from Belkin to do a Simpson on the Ventoux. just a Valverde fanboy
TimoCycling wrote:
I'm not talking about that echelon stage anymore, we won't agree anyways. And 7 minutes in 25km was never reachable, and they only rode 2mins away on the flat so no, not reachable.
Of course it wasnt out of reach. Would you stop yourself, please? Seems like youre just pissed that Belkin chokes when it really matters
No, i'm not pissed at all, this is where they should be and it's a pity they couldn't continue it, but their riding has impressed me so far.
And how can you say it's reachable with TVG and Riblon in front? Come on...
Well, it isnt exactly unrealistic to assume that at least one of them would crack at the second Alpe d' Huez. At the end of the day, Quintana only finished 2 minutes behind which indicates that it indeed was 'reachable'. I read several posts in here that suggested that the break would be caught.
But, again, i dont really know what your point is with all this jazz.
TimoCycling wrote:
I'm not talking about that echelon stage anymore, we won't agree anyways. And 7 minutes in 25km was never reachable, and they only rode 2mins away on the flat so no, not reachable.
Of course it wasnt out of reach. Would you stop yourself, please? Seems like youre just pissed that Belkin chokes when it really matters
No, i'm not pissed at all, this is where they should be and it's a pity they couldn't continue it, but their riding has impressed me so far.
And how can you say it's reachable with TVG and Riblon in front? Come on...
Well, it isnt exactly unrealistic to assume that at least one of them would crack at the second Alpe d' Huez. At the end of the day, Quintana only finished 2 minutes behind which indicates that it indeed was 'reachable'. I read several posts in here that suggested that the break would be caught.
But, again, i dont really know what your point is with all this jazz.
I just said Movistar is a bad tactical team they should've started chasing a long time ago and their bad tactics have proven themselves in this Tour before. Also it was 2,5 minutes and that is still a lot.
TimoCycling wrote:
I'm not talking about that echelon stage anymore, we won't agree anyways. And 7 minutes in 25km was never reachable, and they only rode 2mins away on the flat so no, not reachable.
Im probably wrong, but I think they brought the gap down from 8 minutes to 2 minutes in the final 20 or so km. At first the gap was going down a lot faster too, so there was certainly hope that they could.
Also, about the Froome/Porte food incident.
Froome was initially the one wanting food. Porte thought he could bend the rules by getting the food himself, so he grabs the food and gets the penalty, great for Froome, but Froome is still the one technically gaining the unfair advantage. Dont know how there can be any argument on this, should be pretty straight forward.
TimoCycling wrote:
I'm not talking about that echelon stage anymore, we won't agree anyways. And 7 minutes in 25km was never reachable, and they only rode 2mins away on the flat so no, not reachable.
Im probably wrong, but I think they brought the gap down from 8 minutes to 2 minutes in the final 20 or so km. At first the gap was going down a lot faster too, so there was certainly hope that they could.
Also, about the Froome/Porte food incident.
Froome was initially the one wanting food. Porte thought he could bend the rules by getting the food himself, so he grabs the food and gets the penalty, great for Froome, but Froome is still the one technically gaining the unfair advantage. Dont know how there can be any argument on this, should be pretty straight forward.
They were 7,5 minutes behind when Movistar started riding (about 25k from the finish) and 5,5 minutes behind starting the Aple D'Huez. And I know for sure cause the Dutch TV had a stopwatch.
TimoCycling wrote:
I'm not talking about that echelon stage anymore, we won't agree anyways. And 7 minutes in 25km was never reachable, and they only rode 2mins away on the flat so no, not reachable.
Of course it wasnt out of reach. Would you stop yourself, please? Seems like youre just pissed that Belkin chokes when it really matters
No, i'm not pissed at all, this is where they should be and it's a pity they couldn't continue it, but their riding has impressed me so far.
And how can you say it's reachable with TVG and Riblon in front? Come on...
Well, it isnt exactly unrealistic to assume that at least one of them would crack at the second Alpe d' Huez. At the end of the day, Quintana only finished 2 minutes behind which indicates that it indeed was 'reachable'. I read several posts in here that suggested that the break would be caught.
But, again, i dont really know what your point is with all this jazz.
I just said Movistar is a bad tactical team they should've started chasing a long time ago and their bad tactics have proven themselves in this Tour before. Also it was 2,5 minutes and that is still a lot.
.. and i have also made a post about that. If you havent read it, I state that is indeed wasn't a good tactical ride by Movistar today, as they should have used some of the heaiver guys like Rojas and Erviti before as they clearly have a good shot with Quintana at every MTF.
But we are talking about the chase at the foot of the second ascent where I find it rather ridicolous to say that the break was completely out of reach
TimoCycling wrote:
I'm not talking about that echelon stage anymore, we won't agree anyways. And 7 minutes in 25km was never reachable, and they only rode 2mins away on the flat so no, not reachable.
Of course it wasnt out of reach. Would you stop yourself, please? Seems like youre just pissed that Belkin chokes when it really matters
No, i'm not pissed at all, this is where they should be and it's a pity they couldn't continue it, but their riding has impressed me so far.
And how can you say it's reachable with TVG and Riblon in front? Come on...
Well, it isnt exactly unrealistic to assume that at least one of them would crack at the second Alpe d' Huez. At the end of the day, Quintana only finished 2 minutes behind which indicates that it indeed was 'reachable'. I read several posts in here that suggested that the break would be caught.
But, again, i dont really know what your point is with all this jazz.
I just said Movistar is a bad tactical team they should've started chasing a long time ago and their bad tactics have proven themselves in this Tour before. Also it was 2,5 minutes and that is still a lot.
You mean when they started the last Alpe D'huez climb? that was 13,8k left with 5,5 minutes and TVG and Riblon in front. Seems out of reach to me but OK.
— ammattipyöräily (@ammattipyoraily) July 18, 2013
Just proves this W/Kg thing is not the all-solving equation in cycling. Figures that spread out so much don't mean the world. Many people's world will collide now.
TimoCycling wrote:
I'm not talking about that echelon stage anymore, we won't agree anyways. And 7 minutes in 25km was never reachable, and they only rode 2mins away on the flat so no, not reachable.
Im probably wrong, but I think they brought the gap down from 8 minutes to 2 minutes in the final 20 or so km. At first the gap was going down a lot faster too, so there was certainly hope that they could.
Also, about the Froome/Porte food incident.
Froome was initially the one wanting food. Porte thought he could bend the rules by getting the food himself, so he grabs the food and gets the penalty, great for Froome, but Froome is still the one technically gaining the unfair advantage. Dont know how there can be any argument on this, should be pretty straight forward.
They were 7,5 minutes behind when Movistar started riding (about 25k from the finish) and 5,5 minutes behind starting the Aple D'Huez. And I know for sure cause the Dutch TV had a stopwatch.
We've got to take into account that the head of the break was TVG for a long time, and then Riblon suddenly had enough to leave him in his dust after slowly getting back. If TVG had stayed in front, the gap would have been even closer, and again, you can hardly say Movistar are a poor tactical team. Im pretty sure I saw one Movistar rider move into 3rd in the overall today and another who will be moving into the Top 10 tomorrow baring any crashes or a bad day.
TimoCycling wrote:
I'm not talking about that echelon stage anymore, we won't agree anyways. And 7 minutes in 25km was never reachable, and they only rode 2mins away on the flat so no, not reachable.
Im probably wrong, but I think they brought the gap down from 8 minutes to 2 minutes in the final 20 or so km. At first the gap was going down a lot faster too, so there was certainly hope that they could.
Also, about the Froome/Porte food incident.
Froome was initially the one wanting food. Porte thought he could bend the rules by getting the food himself, so he grabs the food and gets the penalty, great for Froome, but Froome is still the one technically gaining the unfair advantage. Dont know how there can be any argument on this, should be pretty straight forward.
They were 7,5 minutes behind when Movistar started riding (about 25k from the finish) and 5,5 minutes behind starting the Aple D'Huez. And I know for sure cause the Dutch TV had a stopwatch.
We've got to take into account that the head of the break was TVG for a long time, and then Riblon suddenly had enough to leave him in his dust after slowly getting back. If TVG had stayed in front, the gap would have been even closer, and again, you can hardly say Movistar are a poor tactical team. Im pretty sure I saw one Movistar rider move into 3rd in the overall today and another who will be moving into the Top 10 tomorrow baring any crashes or a bad day.
Exactly, if any team had a tactical shocker today it was Saxo - Tinkoff, missed the break, waited till they were 6 minutes ahead before sending 2 riders on a wild goose chase that failed miserably, then Contador and Kreuziger's failed escape attempts. They're the big losers today.
valverde321 wrote:
We've got to take into account that the head of the break was TVG for a long time, and then Riblon suddenly had enough to leave him in his dust after slowly getting back. If TVG had stayed in front, the gap would have been even closer, and again, you can hardly say Movistar are a poor tactical team. Im pretty sure I saw one Movistar rider move into 3rd in the overall today and another who will be moving into the Top 10 tomorrow baring any crashes or a bad day.
Yes, but they didn't help Contador beat Froome and that is bad tactics apparently. Its the same as Belkin. They shouldn't be worrying about their own riders and should be focusing more on getting Contador into the yellow.
That is not due to tactics imo, Valverde and Quintana are world class climbers.
And ofcourse we've got to take that into account, but also take into account that the peleton had to do that aswell. Only not in a breakaway but we all know it was a very tough stage.
TimoCycling wrote:
I'm not talking about that echelon stage anymore, we won't agree anyways. And 7 minutes in 25km was never reachable, and they only rode 2mins away on the flat so no, not reachable.
Im probably wrong, but I think they brought the gap down from 8 minutes to 2 minutes in the final 20 or so km. At first the gap was going down a lot faster too, so there was certainly hope that they could.
Also, about the Froome/Porte food incident.
Froome was initially the one wanting food. Porte thought he could bend the rules by getting the food himself, so he grabs the food and gets the penalty, great for Froome, but Froome is still the one technically gaining the unfair advantage. Dont know how there can be any argument on this, should be pretty straight forward.
They were 7,5 minutes behind when Movistar started riding (about 25k from the finish) and 5,5 minutes behind starting the Aple D'Huez. And I know for sure cause the Dutch TV had a stopwatch.
We've got to take into account that the head of the break was TVG for a long time, and then Riblon suddenly had enough to leave him in his dust after slowly getting back. If TVG had stayed in front, the gap would have been even closer, and again, you can hardly say Movistar are a poor tactical team. Im pretty sure I saw one Movistar rider move into 3rd in the overall today and another who will be moving into the Top 10 tomorrow baring any crashes or a bad day.
Exactly, if any team had a tactical shocker today it was Saxo - Tinkoff, missed the break, waited till they were 6 minutes ahead before sending 2 riders on a wild goose chase that failed miserably, then Contador and Kreuziger's failed escape attempts. They're the big losers today.
Excatly, they more or less made all the mistakes they were able to along with Kreuziger and Contador having very a very mediocre day
— ammattipyöräily (@ammattipyoraily) July 18, 2013
Just proves this W/Kg thing is not the all-solving equation in cycling. Figures that spread out so much don't mean the world. Many people's world will collide now.
Comparing Ferrari's w/kg works very well. Plus that vetoo site always gives the 4 different calculations
— ammattipyöräily (@ammattipyoraily) July 18, 2013
Just proves this W/Kg thing is not the all-solving equation in cycling. Figures that spread out so much don't mean the world. Many people's world will collide now.
In any discussion in this forum we've always used CPL. Guess what...we have the CPL figure right there.
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. Only not in a breakaway but we all know it was a very tough stage.
