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Giro d'Italia 2013 - Week 3
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 25-05-2013 17:57
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Spilak23 wrote:
And Belkov was OOT on the MTT? He would have top-10'd the points competition otherwise
He was, and unlike Belletti wasn't saved by the jury.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 25-05-2013 18:04
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
And Belkov was OOT on the MTT? He would have top-10'd the points competition otherwise
He was, and unlike Belletti wasn't saved by the jury.
Would have been one of the strangest riders in the top 10 of a GT points-competition ever
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 25-05-2013 18:19
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I heard that Nibali used that , for today.
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Posted on 25-05-2013 20:51
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valverde321 wrote:
Tjoertszc wrote:
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Surely the most convincing GT winner is one who looked like the strongest in the field, who looked unbeatable in any situation. On exactly none of the mountain stages did Wiggins look the strongest - he didn't convince me that Froome couldn't have dropped him whenever he so wished.
Cycling is a team sport. Froome would never have been allowed to do so. Nibali never threatened Wiggins last year - the team behind him was just too unbelievably strong.  You knew Wiggins had won just from the start.
You're right, he wasn't allowed to, but the point is. His own team-mate looked a lot better than him and probably could have won the tour last year by 10min+. So it wasn't convincing in that sense.
Exactly. Just because you knew he was gonna win didn't mean you were convinced he was the best candidate for it. |
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Posted on 25-05-2013 21:20
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Posted on 25-05-2013 22:12
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Interesting the Cyclingnews article where Evans claims he lost second place due to a mechanical. Thought it was strange how he completely blew up, though he was struggling to hold Uran for sure.
Mind you Evans' Mechanical problem is down to him being born on 14th February 1977. Did he have this mechanical problem in the TT too?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 25-05-2013 22:32
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FreitasPCM wrote:
Dafuq, I just found out Mourey will finish in the top-20. o.O
Grappe says he always had the pontential to do so, and started his pro career as Casar and/or McGee's last mountain helper.
He's, of course, good on Winter conditions, and on one hour efforts, and he's not too heavy either.
I just had no clue about his recuperation.
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There is a precedent in Gadret.
Gadret is a cycling pharmacy, or has/had such a reputation. I don't think Mourey has that reputation.
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 25-05-2013 23:44
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Tjoertszc wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Surely the most convincing GT winner is one who looked like the strongest in the field, who looked unbeatable in any situation. On exactly none of the mountain stages did Wiggins look the strongest - he didn't convince me that Froome couldn't have dropped him whenever he so wished.
Cycling is a team sport. Froome would never have been allowed to do so. Nibali never threatened Wiggins last year - the team behind him was just too unbelievably strong. You knew Wiggins had won just from the start.
You're right, he wasn't allowed to, but the point is. His own team-mate looked a lot better than him and probably could have won the tour last year by 10min+. So it wasn't convincing in that sense.
Exactly. Just because you knew he was gonna win didn't mean you were convinced he was the best candidate for it.
This was never the topic of diskussion. We discussed who had the most convincing win. Who was the best candidate didn't matter as the race showed a clear hierarchy from the start of the TDF.
And 10 min+? Froome-bot didn't consume enough unauthorized fuel to gain that much. Maybe 2 min. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 25-05-2013 23:56
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Smowz wrote:
Interesting the Cyclingnews article where Evans claims he lost second place due to a mechanical. Thought it was strange how he completely blew up, though he was struggling to hold Uran for sure.
Mind you Evans' Mechanical problem is down to him being born on 14th February 1977. Did he have this mechanical problem in the TT too?
From what I heard he said he felt good, but had bad luck.
If he's sick, he might have a bad case of "old".
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 26-05-2013 00:08
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Iguwell wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Tjoertszc wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Surely the most convincing GT winner is one who looked like the strongest in the field, who looked unbeatable in any situation. On exactly none of the mountain stages did Wiggins look the strongest - he didn't convince me that Froome couldn't have dropped him whenever he so wished.
Cycling is a team sport. Froome would never have been allowed to do so. Nibali never threatened Wiggins last year - the team behind him was just too unbelievably strong. You knew Wiggins had won just from the start.
You're right, he wasn't allowed to, but the point is. His own team-mate looked a lot better than him and probably could have won the tour last year by 10min+. So it wasn't convincing in that sense.
Exactly. Just because you knew he was gonna win didn't mean you were convinced he was the best candidate for it.
This was never the topic of diskussion. We discussed who had the most convincing win. Who was the best candidate didn't matter as the race showed a clear hierarchy from the start of the TDF.
Which means I wasn't convinced by the win (which is quite obviously the topic of diskussion). The most convincing win, as I detailed very clearly earlier, is the rider who looks most convincing as a winner. And Wiggins didn't do that as he got dropped by his own team-mate. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 26-05-2013 00:54
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Today was show that marked how much Nibali was holding himself back at first 2 weeks. Mountain TT was clear hint also.
It s miracle how Astana survived with Kangert and Agnoli.
Anyway it was nice reborn race for Kangert (after he was 19 and Ag2r rider..and knee problems was close to end he's career).
He was taken to Astana thanks o Kirsipuu-Vino close racing history. Now he's value is 4-5 times hire.
p.s estonians and specialy media will never understand cycling. They almostbthink that Kangert can win TdF or at least Vuelta. Any estonian athlete success is like idiot drug for theyr brain |
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 04:41
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cactus-jack wrote:
Smowz wrote:
Interesting the Cyclingnews article where Evans claims he lost second place due to a mechanical. Thought it was strange how he completely blew up, though he was struggling to hold Uran for sure.
Mind you Evans' Mechanical problem is down to him being born on 14th February 1977. Did he have this mechanical problem in the TT too?
From what I heard he said he felt good, but had bad luck.
If he's sick, he might have a bad case of "old".
He had already lost contact with Uran, by was fighting back and only 4-5 seconds from rejoining the Colombian group. He said it was a gearing issue and couldn't use his 'preferred gear' as his sprockets wear covered in ice and snow. It would explain why he dropped back so far that he ended up finishing behind Scarponi.
Well obviously, he's 36. I think he did well with little preparation. I doubt he'll do as well in the Tour as he says though, because of the competition and because of such a hard Giro.
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| Tjoertszc |
Posted on 26-05-2013 07:35
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Iguwell wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Tjoertszc wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Surely the most convincing GT winner is one who looked like the strongest in the field, who looked unbeatable in any situation. On exactly none of the mountain stages did Wiggins look the strongest - he didn't convince me that Froome couldn't have dropped him whenever he so wished.
Cycling is a team sport. Froome would never have been allowed to do so. Nibali never threatened Wiggins last year - the team behind him was just too unbelievably strong. You knew Wiggins had won just from the start.
You're right, he wasn't allowed to, but the point is. His own team-mate looked a lot better than him and probably could have won the tour last year by 10min+. So it wasn't convincing in that sense.
Exactly. Just because you knew he was gonna win didn't mean you were convinced he was the best candidate for it.
This was never the topic of diskussion. We discussed who had the most convincing win. Who was the best candidate didn't matter as the race showed a clear hierarchy from the start of the TDF.
Which means I wasn't convinced by the win (which is quite obviously the topic of diskussion). The most convincing win, as I detailed very clearly earlier, is the rider who looks most convincing as a winner. And Wiggins didn't do that as he got dropped by his own team-mate.
Exactly, his own team mate. Don't consider Froome in your argument, since it's pointless. You already knew at that point that he had won and didn't sat there and thought "Froome might take this from Wiggins". He could have lost even more time, but you were still certain that Wiggins was the winner right from the sport.
No matter how boring and dubious Wiggins' win was - it was certainly very convincing. With the TT in hand that suited him perfectly, you even knew he was going to win right as the profile was released.
The Tour'12 was tailormade to give Wiggins the win to increase to increase the popularity of cycling on the British Isles. No corruption implied - just pure financials on the behalf of ASO. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 08:59
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Spilak23 wrote:
What has happend to the bonus seconds Di Luca took on the stage won by Hansen? Cause Santambrogio is only 6" behind Intxausti and was 4th that stage.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 09:02
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His results are probably going to be gone. So, Santambrogio will get the bonus seconds probably. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 26-05-2013 09:11
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Miguel98 wrote:
His results are probably going to be gone. So, Santambrogio will get the bonus seconds probably.
No, I believe in such a case that Di Luca loses the benefits of his racing, but that nobody else gets them in return. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 09:11
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Aquarius wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
His results are probably going to be gone. So, Santambrogio will get the bonus seconds probably.
No, I believe in such a case that Di Luca loses the benefits of his racing, but that nobody else gets them in return.
Ok, so GC stays the same then. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 26-05-2013 09:11
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Bonus seconds are never reassigned
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 09:12
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If that's the case, Scinto must be angry
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 09:13
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Angry? Of course not. He wants to kill Di Luca instead. |
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