He is slowly sucking all live and joy out of it to leave the whole world with an empty feeling.
Dude enough.
Jesus. You'd make Mr. Rogers depressed.
I never seem to agree with you isso but +1 for this post
Again. No1 cares about +1 posts.
Bandwagon.
I don't get it?
I am the one posting a statement. They are the ones crying.
The only time I'm crying, is with laughter at how ridiculous you are being and what happened to Sky being banned after the first rest day that you were so sure about happening?
Edited by CLURPR on 18-07-2012 21:09
Wiggins will break all rules..what have been working at cycling. Dauphine winner usualy has problem to keep top form thrue Tdf. No problems this time.
Man is better then "Armstrong"
Edited by Guido Mukk on 18-07-2012 21:23
He is slowly sucking all live and joy out of it to leave the whole world with an empty feeling.
Post of the month imo.
Made me laugh and smile big time .
As i have stated a dozen of times, Sky is looking way better than they actually are because of the weak competition.
Nibali did step it up a notch this year, he now has a better acceleration, however he can not keep up the temp, and have been catched quickly every time.
Alberto Contador has the most explosive and beautifull acceleration ever, and he can and will singlehanded destroy team Sky. Then you can add Andy Schleck you almost is as good as Contador, and they will together make Team Sky look like Rolf Aldag when Virenque did attack him.
If you imagine this years race and add Contador + Schleck, then you would have them alone in front of every mountain stage, and Wiggins and co. would just be a group of second ranged climbers and GC contendors who wouldnt get that much media attention. Ofc Froome does look strong, but to say he could be better than Contador is once again pretty dumb.
I'll eat my own hat if Froome ever could beat Contador. I dont think he even has a chance of following him and Andy Schleck when they are at their best.
Unless strange circumstances like injuries and weird doping cases happens again, then this is the only chance for Bradley Wiggins to ever win TDF. And i dont see how Froome ever would beat Contador ,Schleck etc.
Next year will be like
1.Contador
2.Schleck
3. Maybe Froome
When the real stars are back, Team Sky will look like a bunch of spectators.
Team Sky did really suck the joy out of this years mountain stages. May this never happen again, amen.
Yeah sure, that's why Sky are climbing faster this year than any favourite last year. Surely that'll make them spectators.
It's good to have such certainties. Well...
Aquarius wrote:
Yeah sure, that's why Sky are climbing faster this year than any favourite last year. Surely that'll make them spectators.
It's good to have such certainties. Well...
Because of all riders of their team helping them.
If you would place Andy and Contador in a peloton lead by the Sky train, they would easily beat Wiggins & co.
Aquarius wrote:
Yeah sure, that's why Sky are climbing faster this year than any favourite last year. Surely that'll make them spectators.
It's good to have such certainties. Well...
Because of all riders of their team helping them.
If you would place Andy and Contador in a peloton lead by the Sky train, they would easily beat Wiggins & co.
Before dope or after?
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
Aquarius wrote:
Yeah sure, that's why Sky are climbing faster this year than any favourite last year. Surely that'll make them spectators.
It's good to have such certainties. Well...
Because of all riders of their team helping them.
If you would place Andy and Contador in a peloton lead by the Sky train, they would easily beat Wiggins & co.
Finally someone who understands cycling, just a bit
If you would place Andy and Contador in a peloton lead by the Sky train, they would easily beat Wiggins & co.
Would you mind bringing some common sense in, please ?
What'd Contador do, or Schleck, with their teams if they were in this year's Tour ? Sit in Sky's train, then try to ride away in the last mountain, and make a minimal gap if any, then get beaten in the second ITT for Contador, and get massively crushed for A.Schleck.
Aquarius wrote:
Yeah sure, that's why Sky are climbing faster this year than any favourite last year. Surely that'll make them spectators.
It's good to have such certainties. Well...
Because of all riders of their team helping them.
If you would place Andy and Contador in a peloton lead by the Sky train, they would easily beat Wiggins & co.
Finally someone who understands cycling, just a bit
They will kill sky.
I guess I'll never understand cycling. I am deeply sorry for being noobish you know I never rode a bike and am watching my first cycling race.
I'll take your opinions based on no evidence as certain facts from now on. Trying to contradict them with serious numbers is just understanding nothing to cycling. Sorry.
Aquarius wrote:
Yeah sure, that's why Sky are climbing faster this year than any favourite last year. Surely that'll make them spectators.
It's good to have such certainties. Well...
Because of all riders of their team helping them.
If you would place Andy and Contador in a peloton lead by the Sky train, they would easily beat Wiggins & co.
Finally someone who understands cycling, just a bit
They will kill sky.
I guess I'll never understand cycling. I am deeply sorry for being noobish you know I never rode a bike and am watching my first cycling race.
I'll take your opinions based on no evidence as certain facts from now on. Trying to contradict them with serious numbers is just understanding nothing to cycling. Sorry.
Im having + 15 years of cycling experience, and if you geniuenly believe that Sky will drop A.C and A.S next year, then lets make some bets ?
I assume that they daily could administrate it, and lock the thread etc?
I will bet my whole house that neither A.C or A.S will be dropped by Sky.
Judging by your statistical numbers, which applies for the whole group who followed Froome and Wiggins at the most stages, especially Nibali, VDB maybe even T.Pinot, then you also conclude from the numbers, that they will drop A.C and A.S.
Do you really believe that they will drop the two best climbers in the world ?
Aquarius wrote:
Yeah sure, that's why Sky are climbing faster this year than any favourite last year. Surely that'll make them spectators.
It's good to have such certainties. Well...
Because of all riders of their team helping them.
If you would place Andy and Contador in a peloton lead by the Sky train, they would easily beat Wiggins & co.
Finally someone who understands cycling, just a bit
They will kill sky.
I guess I'll never understand cycling. I am deeply sorry for being noobish you know I never rode a bike and am watching my first cycling race.
I'll take your opinions based on no evidence as certain facts from now on. Trying to contradict them with serious numbers is just understanding nothing to cycling. Sorry.
Im having + 15 years of cycling experience, and if you geniuenly believe that Sky will drop A.C and A.S next year, then lets make some bets ?
I assume that they daily could administrate it, and lock the thread etc?
I will bet my whole house that neither A.C or A.S will be dropped by Sky.
Judging by your statistical numbers, which applies for the whole group who followed Froome and Wiggins at the most stages, especially Nibali, VDB maybe even T.Pinot, then you also conclude from the numbers, that they will drop A.C and A.S.
Do you really believe that they will drop the two best climbers in the world ?
How can Froome and Wiggins drop Froome and Wiggins?
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
Ybodonk wrote:
Im having + 15 years of cycling experience, and if you geniuenly believe that Sky will drop A.C and A.S next year, then lets make some bets ?
I assume that they daily could administrate it, and lock the thread etc?
I will bet my whole house that neither A.C or A.S will be dropped by Sky.
Judging by your statistical numbers, which applies for the whole group who followed Froome and Wiggins at the most stages, especially Nibali, VDB maybe even T.Pinot, then you also conclude from the numbers, that they will drop A.C and A.S.
Do you really believe that they will drop the two best climbers in the world ?
I don't believe. I'm not a believer, whatsoever. Rather a rational guy, I'd say. By that logic, I try to not let my dislike of a team combine with my admiration for a rider or a couple of riders.
Pinot & co are around 430 W on shorter climbs, struggling to reach 400 on longer ones, which make them weaker than last year's Schleck and Contador. So no, unless they improve hugely, they won't drop those two.
A dozen of Watts is a reasonable margin of variation from one year to another, so the two you mentioned could be a little better than Wiggins and Froome, or a little weaker. Impossible to say 12 months prior.
Stating that they'll kill Sky, when numbers are roughly the same, or that Sky will look like spectators, is absolutely and totally excessive. That's my point.
15 years in cycling ? Wow.
I don't want to enter a "biggest dick competition", but... I have more.
Ybodonk wrote:
Im having + 15 years of cycling experience, and if you geniuenly believe that Sky will drop A.C and A.S next year, then lets make some bets ?
I assume that they daily could administrate it, and lock the thread etc?
I will bet my whole house that neither A.C or A.S will be dropped by Sky.
Judging by your statistical numbers, which applies for the whole group who followed Froome and Wiggins at the most stages, especially Nibali, VDB maybe even T.Pinot, then you also conclude from the numbers, that they will drop A.C and A.S.
Do you really believe that they will drop the two best climbers in the world ?
I don't believe. I'm not a believer, whatsoever. Rather a rational guy, I'd say. By that logic, I try to not let my dislike of a team combine with my admiration for a rider or a couple of riders.
Pinot & co are around 430 W on shorter climbs, struggling to reach 400 on longer ones, which make them weaker than last year's Schleck and Contador. So no, unless they improve hugely, they won't drop those two.
A dozen of Watts is a reasonable margin of variation from one year to another, so the two you mentioned could be a little better than Wiggins and Froome, or a little weaker. Impossible to say 12 months prior.
Stating that they'll kill Sky, when numbers are roughly the same, or that Sky will look like spectators, is absolutely and totally excessive. That's my point.
15 years in cycling ? Wow.
I don't want to enter a "biggest dick competition", but... I have more.
You do seem very intelligent and competent in the regards of cycling, thats why i respect you and your opinion. But judging from these numbers alone is definately wrong. Its not like that Contador and Schleck wont adapt to the watts and the current speed that Wiggins and Froome rides. Its not like Contador and Schleck see's 405 watts on their SRM computers and then hit the breaks.. Human genetic and evulotion is all about being able to adapt. Let Contador and Schleck ride behind Sky next year, with or without a good climbing team, it doesnt matter. They will drop them no matter what. Watts or not, it is impossible that Wiggins and Froome over 12-18 months have become the best climbers ever.
Like i said if Contador is as good as his normal, then he will drop Wiggins easily. Froome will be a little harder, but still he will drop them. Only Schleck wilL/should be able to follow. However if you are right about them not being able to drop Wiggins and Froome, then i will quit watching cycling and resign from this forum and all my activities in cycling.
PS. It wasnt a big dick competition, it was just to clearify for you, that i am not 11-14 years old as a some of the users in here
Ybodonk wrote:
PS. It wasnt a big dick competition, it was just to clearify for you, that i am not 11-14 years old as a some of the users in here
Age might bring experience and knowledge, but applying a general rule of young=unexperienced doesn't seem to work in this forum, neither regarding the game nor the sport itself.
Many valuable forum members are younger than I thought
Ybodonk wrote:
it is impossible that Wiggins and Froome over 12-18 months have become the best climbers ever.
That's quite funny. I remember watching the 1999 Tour de France, after the first long ITT, the Spanish commentators were talking about how suprising it was Armstrong's dominance. He had smashed both TTs, and had won massive time on, specially, Zülle after the stage with the Passage du Gois. They were confident that, come the mountains, Armstrong wouldn't be able to keep up with the best. Then Sestriere happened.
Possibly not a valid analogy, nor am I saying that you're necessarily wrong but, whatever the means used to achieve it, Wiggins and Froome are right now climbing almost like the very best. And they are also timetrialing better than Cancellara, or at leastat his level. Saying that they'll be dropped like stones is a bit optimistic, even if not an absolutely outlandish prediction. It's definitely something I wouldn't bet my house on, specially in Froome's case.
Ybodonk wrote:
it is impossible that Wiggins and Froome over 12-18 months have become the best climbers ever.
That's quite funny. I remember watching the 1999 Tour de France, after the first long ITT, the Spanish commentators were talking about how suprising it was Armstrong's dominance. He had smashed both TTs, and had won massive time on, specially, Zülle after the stage with the Passage du Gois. They were confident that, come the mountains, Armstrong wouldn't be able to keep up with the best. Then Sestriere happened.
I'm not old enough to have seen that live but that was definitely a WTF performance. A guy who had never climbed with the top 30 climbers or so in any mountain ever, suddenly decides "those two elite climbers up ahead have gained too much time for my taste" and just closes the gap in seconds like they're standing still.
Then he decides to up the pace without actually attacking, and nobody can hold his wheel.
Ridiculous
EDIT: This after winning the prologue and then dominating the first long time trial. A good analogy to show what kind of rider he was before that would be if you imagine Gasparotto or Gerrans doing that. Ridiculous indeed.
Edited by issoisso on 18-07-2012 23:09
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
and what happened to Sky being banned after the first rest day that you were so sure about happening?
