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Giro d'Italia Week 3
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 28-05-2014 12:17
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Not really. Stelvio finished on 68,7 kilometers to go (according to profile and according to race video I found on YT, which should be accurate) and that photo was taken at 63,6 kilometers to go.
Aaaand Zabel'd...
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 28-05-2014 12:54
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ianrussell wrote:
It's the race managements job to clearly communicate with the teams. If there is any ambiguity in the messages they put out then they've failed. They need to state the policy, say it again and then ensure everyone gets it.
I think the race management meant to convey that only the initial part of the descent would be led by red flag motos so that riders could clearly see the route down (due to limited visibility right at the top). With translations or wishful thinking there is lot of scope for people to misconstrue this unless it is stated very, very clearly several times.
Now that said if there is any doubt at all teams should be cautious and ask questions without making any assumptions. I certainly wouldn't be stopping for a hot drink and slipping on a smoking jacket while warming my toes at the fireplace at the top!
Bottom line either way, great stage and Quintana so strong on the climb anyway.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 28-05-2014 12:58
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The distance marker in that photo it's for Cataldo, not Quintana so he may not have done the requisite 1500m yet.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 28-05-2014 13:01
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Also I highly doubt the moto riders knew what they were supposed to do either other than raise a red flag and ride down. Another chain in the communication that, mid race, is very easy to get wrong 
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 28-05-2014 13:01
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Not sure it has been mentioned, but from: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefev...alia-farce
Riders were crashing and I heard that Petacchi hit a car on the descent. He’s 40 year’s old and he’s had enough. We only see the break but we don’t see the misery at the back.
Since some were claiming yesterday that it wasnt dangerous because nobody crashed! I did wonder about the reasons for why some of the DNFs occured!
So organizers should start neutrealizing every wet descent? that will sure give us some good racing... |
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| fickman |
Posted on 28-05-2014 13:21
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Big Breakaway group:
Malacarne, Geschke, Losada, Vorganov, Deignan, Petrov, McCarthy, Felline, Gasparotto, Montaguti, Pirazzi, Boem, Canola, Van Emden, Oss, Gatto, Le Bon, Viekkanen, Cunego, Bono, Bak, Wellens, Anton, De Gendt, Frapporti |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 28-05-2014 13:30
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fickman wrote:
Big Breakaway group:
Malacarne, Geschke, Losada, Vorganov, Deignan, Petrov, McCarthy, Felline, Gasparotto, Montaguti, Pirazzi, Boem, Canola, Van Emden, Oss, Gatto, Le Bon, Viekkanen, Cunego, Bono, Bak, Wellens, Anton, De Gendt, Frapporti
Yeah 25 away on the break with a 5 minutes lead on the peloton
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| Malkael |
Posted on 28-05-2014 13:33
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Damn you Tim Wellens, I knew I should have trusted you would get in the breakaway while writing my preview. Nice to see Lars Bak in there too, though I bet that crazy Basque from last night is hoping someone like Anton can win  .
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 28-05-2014 13:40
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I think we can all agree it was dangerous. Opinions may vary whether or not it should be neutralised. But when you do neutralise it, you have to communicate it properly and punish the riders that don't follow orders.
I think De Gendt was kicked out of the Vuelta last year after ignoring an order to let go of the team car. I'm not saying Quintana should be punished, because of the poor communication, but I do feel OPQS have a point when they say he gained an unfair advantage. The only people to blame here are the Giro directors.
And that brings us to RCS sport. They are the same guys that cause the chaos in San Remo last year. You think they would have learned a thing about communication there, but no, yesterday was a disgrace. They are also the guys that are making unsafe stages for years, cummulating in the death of Wouter Weylandt in 2011. They had cameras all on him as he died, yet they immediatly changed the image when a race marshall was hit by a motorcycle earlier this week.
In conclusion, I seriously hope some people will be fired over this.
Rant over.
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 28-05-2014 14:07
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Everytime I pick Adam Hansen for my fantasy team Lars Bak gets in the break. Every time I pick Lars Bak then Adam Hansen makes it.
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| simieon |
Posted on 28-05-2014 14:11
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i dont often speak here... but i have to weigh in on this.
none of the riders did anything wrong, and as such, its very hard to find a good reason to punish any of the riders. the organizers did however screw up royally, and they should be punished.
you dont fix a fuck up by screwing over the people who gained from it, you fix it by making it up to the people who got hurt by it.
in my opinion, the giro this year was decided by the organizers and not the riders, and as such history books should show no rankings at all as an eternal memory of what happens when you forget to think. and the organizers should have their profits from this years giro taken away from them and divided amongst those who lost from this. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 28-05-2014 14:15
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simieon wrote:
i dont often speak here... but i have to weigh in on this.
none of the riders did anything wrong, and as such, its very hard to find a good reason to punish any of the riders. the organizers did however screw up royally, and they should be punished.
you dont fix a fuck up by screwing over the people who gained from it, you fix it by making it up to the people who got hurt by it.
in my opinion, the giro this year was decided by the organizers and not the riders, and as such history books should show no rankings at all as an eternal memory of what happens when you forget to think. and the organizers should have their profits from this years giro taken away from them and divided amongst those who lost from this.
I agree with you up to the point that I highlighted, but suggesting that the Giro has been decided because Quintana gained an extra minute from the stage is ridiculous; and it's a complete overreaction to say that he (should he win) should be punished by having a potential Grand Tour victory erased from records which completely contradicts what you said earlier about not screwing over the people who gained from it.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2014 14:21
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simieon wrote:
i dont often speak here... but i have to weigh in on this.
none of the riders did anything wrong, and as such, its very hard to find a good reason to punish any of the riders. the organizers did however screw up royally, and they should be punished.
you dont fix a fuck up by screwing over the people who gained from it, you fix it by making it up to the people who got hurt by it.
in my opinion, the giro this year was decided by the organizers and not the riders, and as such history books should show no rankings at all as an eternal memory of what happens when you forget to think. and the organizers should have their profits from this years giro taken away from them and divided amongst those who lost from this.
In one sentence, you are saying thoise who gained from it should not be screwed and in other you would left Giro without results? Does not make sense to me. Also dont forget that Giro is not over, so dont judge winners and loosers...
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 28-05-2014 14:27
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Okay, to those who organizes the TV-images; stop showing us slow-motion images when nothing happens!
Edited by cactus-jack on 28-05-2014 14:27
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| simieon |
Posted on 28-05-2014 14:29
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im not saying the giro is decided already, lots of places could change around, even quintana could have an off day. but the stage yesterday had an impact way beyond the time difference. riders that would otherwise not have had to expend much energy before the final climb burned themselves out completely. the coming days will show the consequences of this.
whatever the result end up being, its very likely that it would have been a lot different without the mistake.
i dont think the annulment of any results in the history books will punish anyone, they will get their points, the prize money, and sports commentators for years to come will look at the empty slot and go "this one is very interesting, this was the year where XXX won it on the road, but for once we dont have a blank grand tour because of doping, but because of a race organizer mistake" there is other ways to do this though, but something needs to be done that will eternally remind the entire cycling community about what happens when you dont have clear guidelines, communicate different messages, and dont communicate clearly. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 28-05-2014 14:29
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cactus-jack wrote:
Okay, to those who organizes the TV-images; stop showing us slow-motion images when nothing happens!
Yeah they will show a slo-mo of everything, it is kind of weird
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| Strydz |
Posted on 28-05-2014 14:30
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cactus-jack wrote:
Okay, to those who organizes the TV-images; stop showing us slow-motion images when nothing happens!
Yeah they will show a slo-mo of everything, it is kind of weird
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
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| CountArach |
Posted on 28-05-2014 15:02
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| cio93 |
Posted on 28-05-2014 15:06
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Quintana, Rolland and Hesjedal then I suppose?
And who determines how much?
A generic 20 seconds like for car towing, exactly how much they gained on the descent, a random drawn number noone complains about?
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 28-05-2014 15:07
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So what's exactly the plan? Cutting time from the 3 leaders or cutting all of the time differences of yesterday's stage?
@Cio
What about the time they were ahead after the descent?
Edited by Jesleyh on 28-05-2014 15:07
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