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Posted on 22-11-2024 08:06
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-05-2013 12:44
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My decision is made, and i am sticking by it. The same will apply to any future situations.
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| jaxika |
Posted on 08-05-2013 12:49
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TheManxMissile wrote:
My decision is made, and i am sticking by it. The same will apply to any future situations.
I dont understand you again. THen WHy ask this : Perhaps you could give me a solution that is fair to everyone ie. no-one can put forth a fair argument against it? There are 28 teams and i have to be as fair to them all as possible, and re-running the race gives all 16 involved teams an equal chance to score points, and has no impact on the other 12 teams.
Then i explained the solution with the double/halve methode and you dont said nothing for tthat. Why you ask if you even dont bother? |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 08-05-2013 18:03
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As a person who is neutral in this situation seeing as I scored hardly any points in either version of the race; I have to say that just re-running the race doesn't seem particularly fair. I think the double/halve method that jaxika proposed seems more sensible tbh
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 08-05-2013 18:09
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adding the points of both race together devided by half isn't something that could work.
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| jaxika |
Posted on 08-05-2013 18:38
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
adding the points of both race together devided by half isn't something that could work.
Why? |
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| jaxika |
Posted on 08-05-2013 18:39
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Stromeon wrote:
As a person who is neutral in this situation seeing as I scored hardly any points in either version of the race; I have to say that just re-running the race doesn't seem particularly fair. I think the double/halve method that jaxika proposed seems more sensible tbh
Said this to Manx |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-05-2013 18:42
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I don't get how re-running the race isn't fair?
All the teams participate, and all of them have an equal chance of points. Not allowing Pervyj to participate is unfair on them, and giving them points without participating is unfair on the teams that did participate.
If you can tell me how re-running the race (as described in the updated rules) is unfair then i may reconsider. Until that happens the re-do stands and we move on towards the Criterium International.
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| jaxika |
Posted on 08-05-2013 18:44
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I don't get how re-running the race isn't fair?
All the teams participate, and all of them have an equal chance of points. Not allowing Pervyj to participate is unfair on them, and giving them points without participating is unfair on the teams that did participate.
If you can tell me how re-running the race (as described in the updated rules) is unfair then i may reconsider. Until that happens the re-do stands and we move on towards the Criterium International.
Not only my opinion as stated by other two members ... So, can you maybe retink my methode with double/halve? Or may be arguing why isnt ok in that way? |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-05-2013 18:52
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jaxika wrote:
Not only my opinion as stated by other two members ... So, can you maybe retink my methode with double/halve? Or may be arguing why isnt ok in that way?
Not the halving method. 1)Overly complicated solution, 2)Not the stated rule for the error that occurred and 3)The altered odds of scoring points from race one still take effect (the doubling doesn't change that)
Why the Re-run method. 1)Simple solution, 2)Is the stated rule for the error that occurred and 3)Is equally fair to all teams
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 08-05-2013 18:59
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TheManxMissile wrote:
It would be unfair to the CT teams to change the system because some WT teams are unhappy with it.
Edited by SSJ2Luigi on 08-05-2013 19:00
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 08-05-2013 19:04
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TheManxMissile wrote:
jaxika wrote:
Not only my opinion as stated by other two members ... So, can you maybe retink my methode with double/halve? Or may be arguing why isnt ok in that way?
Not the halving method. 1)Overly complicated solution, 2)Not the stated rule for the error that occurred and 3)The altered odds of scoring points from race one still take effect (the doubling doesn't change that)
Why the Re-run method. 1)Simple solution, 2)Is the stated rule for the error that occurred and 3)Is equally fair to all teams
I never thougth I say this, but I completely agree with you here 
It is harsch on the people who got less points, but there is just no way the results of the first race can stand. There's a rule against it and it was unfair to team Perv, even with the double/half points.
The only thing that can be done about this, is to make sure the mistake cannot be repeated, so if you found out what was causing the bug, please share it with the other reporters.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-05-2013 19:06
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@Ollfardh
The issue was self inflicted. I'd been messing with the DB, doing some tests and things. The Pervyj team was still set as riding a different race, hence why they didn't start. It's a thing i've encountered before so took me a minute to fix.
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| jaxika |
Posted on 08-05-2013 19:07
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1. Why you ask opinions if you dont even think it ... not only me, but others said its unfair?
2.You said its complicate solution, its only simle math? I know you better than that.
3.Its not about my points .... I resign all my points for the sake of fairness.... EVen more, i resign my Tirreno and P-N points, just to know its nout about my damn points, its about the fairness of the game. |
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| jaxika |
Posted on 08-05-2013 19:09
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
It would be unfair to the CT teams to change the system because some WT teams are unhappy with it.
Thanks ... some WT teams ... nice ... you can name it ... why we are talking about fairness, if this allowed? |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-05-2013 19:13
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jaxika wrote:
1. Why you ask opinions if you dont even think it ... not only me, but others said its unfair?
2.You said its complicate solution, its only simle math? I know you better than that.
3.Its not about my points .... I resign all my points for the sake of fairness.... EVen more, i resign my Tirreno and P-N points, just to know its nout about my damn points, its about the fairness of the game.
1) I asked before Ollfardh pointed out i had set the rule. Then i had to go with the rule, which is to re-do
2) Its more complicated that re-running the race. The math is simple yes, but there is no need to have to do that
3) I still don't get how a re-run is unfair? The various points calculations are unfair
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 08-05-2013 19:14
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would you care if you weren't in it
i doubt it
Edited by SSJ2Luigi on 08-05-2013 19:16
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| jaxika |
Posted on 08-05-2013 19:17
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
would you care if you weren't in it
You read my sentence about resigning any points from the race? If yes, you know the answer for your question.... |
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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 08-05-2013 19:20
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I don't see why a WT team cares about a few CT points, they'll hardly matter at the end of the season.
I didn't finish top 20 in both, so don't really care if re-run counts or not. Rules are rules, so I agree with TMM to re-run it. |
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| jaxika |
Posted on 08-05-2013 19:25
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mvhoogdalem wrote:
I don't see why a WT team cares about a few CT points, they'll hardly matter at the end of the season.
I didn't finish top 20 in both, so don't really care if re-run counts or not. Rules are rules, so I agree with TMM to re-run it.
Guys, you even read what i write???????????
Its not about the points, i even resign all the points. Its all about jutce and fairness..... Ohh, and the rules ... this rules where broken before that race, but noone was interested ... but now everyone can write .... And as you said you are not interested because not finishing in top 20. I doesnt need any point from this race, its just about fairness.....
Just stop this stupid <some WT teams - few CT points> approach.... |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-05-2013 19:29
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jaxika wrote:
mvhoogdalem wrote:
I don't see why a WT team cares about a few CT points, they'll hardly matter at the end of the season.
I didn't finish top 20 in both, so don't really care if re-run counts or not. Rules are rules, so I agree with TMM to re-run it.
Guys, you even read what i write???????????
Its not about the points, i even resign all the points. Its all about jutce and fairness..... Ohh, and the rules ... this rules where broken before that race, but noone was interested ... but now everyone can write .... And as you said you are not interested because not finishing in top 20. I doesnt need any point from this race, its just about fairness.....
Just stop this stupid <some WT teams - few CT points> approach....
Have you read my latest reply?
If you have then maybe you could answer point 3. If not, perhaps you should calm down, read it, then answer point 3.
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