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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 17-04-2013 16:52
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Ollfardh wrote:
Kwiat will obviously get a major improvement, probably one of the few guys getting 70 on every stat.
Could very well be he has 72 on every stat.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 17-04-2013 16:52
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Ollfardh wrote:
Kwiat will obviously get a major improvement, probably one of the few guys getting 70 on every stat.
Could very well be he has 72 on every stat.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:00
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OKay, I'm a fanboy but still. If I now am looking at the current stats, than Dan Martin is off. I'm fanboying yes, but his results show it. His 77 mtn stat should be 78. 79 would be too much but I think 78 is definelty right.
Volta a Catalunya stage and GC
Vuelta a Espana 2011 stage 9
His hill stat should also be at least 78.
4th Fleche Wallonne 2013
6th Fleche Wallonne 2012
5th Liege Bastone Liege 2012
2nd Giro di Lombardia 2011
Tour de Pologne victories and stages
Edited by baseballlover312 on 17-04-2013 17:13
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:04
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78 MO, 77 HIL would be alright for Dan Martin atm.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:09
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fcancellara wrote:
78 MO, 77 HIL would be alright for Dan Martin atm.
I'd say the other way around, 77MO 78HL
Clearly his best results are the hilly classics, and he hasn't had a major MO result since 2011
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:10
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I think he is better at HIL than MO . He never impressed in a tough mountain stage in a GC , but was good in Ardennes and hilly stages from 1 week-tours . I think 77 MO/78 HIL
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:11
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alex valceanu wrote:
I think he is better at HIL than MO . He never impressed in a tough mountain stage in a GC , but was good in Ardennes and hilly stages from 1 week-tours . I think 77 MO/78 HIL
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:11
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TMM, I believe you're right indeed 
Edited by fcancellara on 17-04-2013 17:20
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:15
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TheManxMissile wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
78 MO, 77 HIL would be alright for Dan Martin atm.
I'd say the other way around, 77MO 78HL
Clearly his best results are the hilly classics, and he hasn't had a major MO result since 2011
He won Volta a Catalunya against Gesink, Purito, Pozzovivo, Scarponi, Van den Broeck, Moreno, and Wiggins- all who are ranked well higher. |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:19
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baseballlover312 wrote:
alex valceanu wrote:
I think he is better at HIL than MO . He never impressed in a tough mountain stage in a GC , but was good in Ardennes and hilly stages from 1 week-tours . I think 77 MO/78 HIL
Besides winning one.
Simon Clarke and Antonio Piedra won a mountain stage in the 2012 Vuelta.
Andrey Amador and Matteo Rabottini won a mountain stage in the 2012 Giro d'Italia.
Thor Hushovd and Edvald Boasson Hagen won a mountain stage in the 2011 Tour de France.
Bart De Clercq won a mountain stage in the 2011 Giro d'Italia.
Brice Feillu won a mountain stage in the 2009 Tour de France.
These guys don't deserve 78 MO either, your argument is invalid.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:20
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Sammy Sanchez is too high. Mtn at 80 is bad. He hasn't won for a year. But with 79 he can still compete easily so all it will do is stop him from winning a GT.
Something needs to be done with Andy Schleck. Now we all know what he's capable of but he physically won't do it. This goes by results of the past two years, but I tend to think that his 2nd in the 2011 TDF is outdated. He can't win anymore and with current stats he easily can. He's got to at least be reduced in resistance and probably bump him in mtn and hill too. Don't know how much as we don't have much to go by since he won't finish a race usually.
Evans also should be lowered to 78. I know that he won the TDF in 2011 but it's obvious he's declining rapidly, he couldn't even hold in Trentino today.
You think you might me overrating Demare and Guardini a little? 78 for Guardini and 77 for Demare at most imo.
Van Avermaet could also use an upgrade from his cobbles results this year. I'd say 78 cobbles
Edited by baseballlover312 on 17-04-2013 17:22
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| ppanther |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:21
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TheManxMissile wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
78 MO, 77 HIL would be alright for Dan Martin atm.
I'd say the other way around, 77MO 78HL
Clearly his best results are the hilly classics, and he hasn't had a major MO result since 2011
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:21
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fcancellara wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
alex valceanu wrote:
I think he is better at HIL than MO . He never impressed in a tough mountain stage in a GC , but was good in Ardennes and hilly stages from 1 week-tours . I think 77 MO/78 HIL
Besides winning one.
Simon Clarke and Antonio Piedra won a mountain stage in the 2012 Vuelta.
Andrey Amador and Matteo Rabottini won a mountain stage in the 2012 Giro d'Italia.
Thor Hushovd and Edvald Boasson Hagen won a mountain stage in the 2011 Tour de France.
Bart De Clercq won a mountain stage in the 2011 Giro d'Italia.
Brice Feillu won a mountain stage in the 2009 Tour de France.
These guys don't deserve 78 MO either, your argument is invalid.
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:22
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Andy Schleck should have very low STA, RES and REC stats, but a high potential so it will restore in a few seasons.
Also, MO/HIL around 76-77, again, it will be restored by his potential.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:24
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Sammy Sanchez is too high. Mtn at 80 is bad. He hasn't won for a year. But with 79 he can still compete easily so all it will do is stop him from winning a GT.
Wait for the Giro. 
You think you might me overrating Demare and Guardini a little? 78 for Guardini and 77 at most imo.
Beating Cav straight up and winning a WT sprinters classic is enough to deserve those stats.
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| ppanther |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:24
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Sammy Sanchez is too high. Mtn at 80 is bad. He hasn't won for a year. But with 79 he can still compete easily so all it will do is stop him from winning a GT.
Sanchez was already mentioned a few pages before, but i fully agree, he needs to get lowered. I think he will get lowered anyway in the next update. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:25
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fcancellara wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
alex valceanu wrote:
I think he is better at HIL than MO . He never impressed in a tough mountain stage in a GC , but was good in Ardennes and hilly stages from 1 week-tours . I think 77 MO/78 HIL
Besides winning one.
Simon Clarke and Antonio Piedra won a mountain stage in the 2012 Vuelta.
Andrey Amador and Matteo Rabottini won a mountain stage in the 2012 Giro d'Italia.
Thor Hushovd and Edvald Boasson Hagen won a mountain stage in the 2011 Tour de France.
Bart De Clercq won a mountain stage in the 2011 Giro d'Italia.
Brice Feillu won a mountain stage in the 2009 Tour de France.
These guys don't deserve 78 MO either, your argument is invalid.
All from a break. Martin beat the favourites straight up.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:29
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Spilak23 wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
alex valceanu wrote:
I think he is better at HIL than MO . He never impressed in a tough mountain stage in a GC , but was good in Ardennes and hilly stages from 1 week-tours . I think 77 MO/78 HIL
Besides winning one.
Simon Clarke and Antonio Piedra won a mountain stage in the 2012 Vuelta.
Andrey Amador and Matteo Rabottini won a mountain stage in the 2012 Giro d'Italia.
Thor Hushovd and Edvald Boasson Hagen won a mountain stage in the 2011 Tour de France.
Bart De Clercq won a mountain stage in the 2011 Giro d'Italia.
Brice Feillu won a mountain stage in the 2009 Tour de France.
These guys don't deserve 78 MO either, your argument is invalid.
All from a break. Martin beat the favourites straight up.
ONCE
stats are not based of single results
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| ppanther |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:30
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Spilak23 wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
alex valceanu wrote:
I think he is better at HIL than MO . He never impressed in a tough mountain stage in a GC , but was good in Ardennes and hilly stages from 1 week-tours . I think 77 MO/78 HIL
Besides winning one.
Simon Clarke and Antonio Piedra won a mountain stage in the 2012 Vuelta.
Andrey Amador and Matteo Rabottini won a mountain stage in the 2012 Giro d'Italia.
Thor Hushovd and Edvald Boasson Hagen won a mountain stage in the 2011 Tour de France.
Bart De Clercq won a mountain stage in the 2011 Giro d'Italia.
Brice Feillu won a mountain stage in the 2009 Tour de France.
These guys don't deserve 78 MO either, your argument is invalid.
All from a break. Martin beat the favourites straight up.
But he did so, because he is a very punchy rider in a rather flat finish and with 77 he will be capable doing this ingame. |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 17-04-2013 17:34
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Again: I think climbers SP stats are too close. Nobody has under 60, even climbers who can't sprint at all. Riders like Mollema, Martin, ..., who are really good sprinters, have stats like 65/66. I think theres too few difference. I also don't think some climbers should be upped, i just think there should be climbers bad at sprinting like Napolitano is bad at climbing. |
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